Yeah, but again, if you play Firmino as the striker, that means no place for Sturridge (or Benteke) and if you remove those two from the team that's nearly 20 goals missing.
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Yeah, but again, if you play Firmino as the striker, that means no place for Sturridge (or Benteke) and if you remove those two from the team that's nearly 20 goals missing.
Thats actually a problem in a way. We're second in goals scored, behind City & second in goals conceded for teams in the top half. Exciting stuff for the neutrals, without question, but how many Liverpool fans hearts wil be hanging on a thin thread?
We all know that Liverpool's defence hasn't been good enough for years, and if Klopp doesn't make us tighter at the back and harder to beat, we won't win anything.
Firmino's willingness to track back and work defensively is a major asset in this respect, but as I alluded to in the "Eye of the storm" thread, we need to be capable of a few 1-0 wins as well as thumping in 4 or 5.
Looking at the table from last season, we have to set a target at about 36-40 goals conceded.
Seeing as we conceded 50 goals last season and have conceded 7 in 4 now. We certainly have a job to do.
Getting rid of those personal mistakes would be a good start...
Seeing as we conceded 50 goals last season and have conceded 7 in 4 now. We certainly have a job to do.
Getting rid of those personal mistakes would be a good start...
Yeah, we have always suffered from individual errors leading to a handful of important goals lost every season. One of the stats that jumped out with Matip and Ragnar was that neither had made errors directly resulting in a goal. Safety first.
The individual mistakes are so frustrating as usually they're school boy errors.
To compound the mistakes, the whole team just fulls apart for a period after the first goal conceded that the opposition usually scores another one. The game at the weekend was almost another example as Leicester hit the bar at 2-1 down.
That would be insult to the actual best midfield in the world
Ahh. Gini. Not Gee-o. I'm also uncomfortable about including any of them in a song about the best midfielders in the world.
Alonso, Gerrard and Mascherano were certainly in the top echelon of midfielders in the world. Sissoko at the height of his powers (before the eye injury) was capable of destructive performances, and though it was stretching credibility to say he was one of the best in the world, I'd seen him single-handedly fucking annihilate a Chelsea midfield comprised of Essien, Ballack and Lampard, when in his pomp. We had every reason to be presumptuous.
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Don't forget Momo v Barca. He battered the absolute fuck out of them.
So what, it was a boss song and my version rhymes doesn't it?
We need to find some new songs for the players now we can't use the Klopp one!
Beats the "Bobby Firmino ; clap clap, clap clap clap" dirge that some lad was singing on his own on the Kop last Saturday.
Dance then, whenever you may be,
For Lucas Leiva will never leave,
And he'll lead you all for eternity,
And he'll lead you all through mediocrity.
Why does he need to be.....
Roberto Firmino reveals he played in defence until he was 17 and hopes manager Jurgen Klopp can help make him the 'Neymar of Liverpool'
It turns out this wasn't the plan. Had things gone as Roberto Firmino expected when he began chasing his dream in the Brazilian beach city of Maceio, fame and fortune would have come at the other end of the pitch.
'I started out as a defender,' says Firmino, the current spearhead of Liverpool's team and a man who is becoming one of the Premier League's most talked about forwards. 'I played as a full-back and then I moved into the centre. I played defence right the way through until the Under-18s. Honestly!'
Firmino smiles broadly as he makes this revelation. It seems inconceivable that someone with his gifts, from the wonderful touch to the absolute certainty he has in his finishing, should have been schooled in the art of destruction but he is a player of hidden surprises.
When he first arrived at Liverpool in June 2015, with a £29million price tag, many wondered how and where he would fit in. Was he a No 10? Was he a winger? After he picked up a bad back injury in a League Cup tie against Carlisle, it seemed as though this would be another expensive mistake.
The arrival of Jurgen Klopp, however, was the catalyst for Firmino to blossom. He has become the prototype Klopp forward, his place in Liverpool's attack not for up debate. Why? Nobody in the squad can match him for high intensity sprints. This is Liverpool's marathon man.
'I've been quite hyperactive since I was a child,' says Firmino. 'I don't like to stop. I do have moments when I like to relax but I'm always moving and that has always been the case since I was a boy. Nowadays that is the only way you can play football.
'You have to be on the move. I'm not that crazy and I know there are times when you have to stop. I like to relax, of course I do! But when I am inside the pitch, that is it. You have to go on full on from the first minute.
There had been fears Firmino would struggle after an injury but he has proven doubters wrong
'All of us have our qualities that add to the team. But our manager wants each of us to be like a runner. Don't stop. Never stop. Keep going. That is the way it is for him and that is the way I like to play. You always have to be in motion.
'It comes easy to me to run. I picked a lot of it up from Germany. I had four-and-a-half years there and I learned you have to be on the automatic button. Press it and you go, you keep running, chasing and working. I always try to do a bit more than I am asked.'
Another smile follows. Then again, everything he seems to say comes with a smile. Life, after all, is good. His form has been dazzling, while life at home has never been better after his wife, Larissa, gave birth to their second daughter, Bella, three weeks ago.
Being so settled is all a far cry from when he first arrived in Europe in 2010, having been signed by Hoffenheim from Figueirense, a club in Brazil's south. He left home at 16, despite the pleas from his mother, Maria, and father, Jose to stay and study. They are a tight-knit unit, so much so that Firmino has his parents faces tattooed on his right arm with the inscription 'eternal family love'.
He has his parents' faces tattooed on his arm, due to the tight-knit family he grew up in
'I come from Maceio, where it is very hot all year around,' says Firmino, taking up the story. 'I moved to Florinoples in the south, which is very cold. I passed the tests that were asked of me there and that got me the move to Germany. I could have stayed in Brazil but I wanted the challenge.
'I remember the first day getting to Hoffenheim. Minus 20! The weather was different, the food was different. It was cold and I found it difficult but I am not someone who gives up. I had it in my head that I would have to battle, to fight and work hard to make my dream come true. I ended up here.
'This is my dream. I'm relaxed about being away from Brazil. I know after all this hard work, I will be compensated. When I knew of Liverpool's interest, I watched a lot of videos to see what I could expected. When they asked if I wanted to come, I did not think twice. I just said yes. There will be times to enjoy things in the future but now it is about work. I won't stop.'
Firmino did not think twice about moving to Liverpool when he found out they were interested
And he doesn't stop. So far this season, he has covered 46.9kilometres and he is relishing the chance to press and pester the life out of Chelsea's big money deadline day signing; Firmino's face lights up when he talks about David Luiz but friendships will be on hold when this rivalry resumes.
'He's my amigo,' says Firmino. 'I don't get the chance to see him in person a lot but I speak to him on WhatsApp whenever I can. I was a little bit surprised when he came back to England but he is a great player. I've not spoken to him this week but I'm looking forward to playing against him.'
Whether Luiz will say the same is open to debate. One thing beyond question, though, is the affinity he and Klopp have developed over the last year and you can see, with each passing week, the subtle improvements he is adding to the 24-year-old's game.
His affinity with manager Jurgen Klopp has helped him develop during his time at Anfield
Klopp made Robert Lewandowski and Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang superstars in Germany and there is no reason why he can't do the same for Firmino, whose two goals last week at Anfield helped rip Leicester to shreds. This pupil, after all, is willing.
'I played against his teams for four-and-a-half years,' says Firmino, who converses with Klopp in German while he continues to study English. 'I know what he wants from a player. When I heard that he was coming to be Liverpool manager, I was so pleased. I could not have been happier.
'I knew what he was going to bring here. He brought a style of work and play from Germany and the team has adapted to it. Our friendship is crystal clear. There is nothing behind it. He is a great person. If you do what he asks you to do, you will never let him down.
'Can he make me the Neymar of Liverpool? It all depends on me.'
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- Roberto Firmino played at full-back and central defence until he was 18
- Firmino believes it is important for every player to never stop moving
- He says he picked up his hard working style while playing in Germany
- Firmino revealed he did not think twice about moving to Liverpool
- The arrival of Jurgen Klopp on Merseyside made the Brazilian 'so pleased'
It turns out this wasn't the plan. Had things gone as Roberto Firmino expected when he began chasing his dream in the Brazilian beach city of Maceio, fame and fortune would have come at the other end of the pitch.
'I started out as a defender,' says Firmino, the current spearhead of Liverpool's team and a man who is becoming one of the Premier League's most talked about forwards. 'I played as a full-back and then I moved into the centre. I played defence right the way through until the Under-18s. Honestly!'
Firmino smiles broadly as he makes this revelation. It seems inconceivable that someone with his gifts, from the wonderful touch to the absolute certainty he has in his finishing, should have been schooled in the art of destruction but he is a player of hidden surprises.
When he first arrived at Liverpool in June 2015, with a £29million price tag, many wondered how and where he would fit in. Was he a No 10? Was he a winger? After he picked up a bad back injury in a League Cup tie against Carlisle, it seemed as though this would be another expensive mistake.
The arrival of Jurgen Klopp, however, was the catalyst for Firmino to blossom. He has become the prototype Klopp forward, his place in Liverpool's attack not for up debate. Why? Nobody in the squad can match him for high intensity sprints. This is Liverpool's marathon man.
'I've been quite hyperactive since I was a child,' says Firmino. 'I don't like to stop. I do have moments when I like to relax but I'm always moving and that has always been the case since I was a boy. Nowadays that is the only way you can play football.
'You have to be on the move. I'm not that crazy and I know there are times when you have to stop. I like to relax, of course I do! But when I am inside the pitch, that is it. You have to go on full on from the first minute.
There had been fears Firmino would struggle after an injury but he has proven doubters wrong
'All of us have our qualities that add to the team. But our manager wants each of us to be like a runner. Don't stop. Never stop. Keep going. That is the way it is for him and that is the way I like to play. You always have to be in motion.
'It comes easy to me to run. I picked a lot of it up from Germany. I had four-and-a-half years there and I learned you have to be on the automatic button. Press it and you go, you keep running, chasing and working. I always try to do a bit more than I am asked.'
Another smile follows. Then again, everything he seems to say comes with a smile. Life, after all, is good. His form has been dazzling, while life at home has never been better after his wife, Larissa, gave birth to their second daughter, Bella, three weeks ago.
Being so settled is all a far cry from when he first arrived in Europe in 2010, having been signed by Hoffenheim from Figueirense, a club in Brazil's south. He left home at 16, despite the pleas from his mother, Maria, and father, Jose to stay and study. They are a tight-knit unit, so much so that Firmino has his parents faces tattooed on his right arm with the inscription 'eternal family love'.
He has his parents' faces tattooed on his arm, due to the tight-knit family he grew up in
'I come from Maceio, where it is very hot all year around,' says Firmino, taking up the story. 'I moved to Florinoples in the south, which is very cold. I passed the tests that were asked of me there and that got me the move to Germany. I could have stayed in Brazil but I wanted the challenge.
'I remember the first day getting to Hoffenheim. Minus 20! The weather was different, the food was different. It was cold and I found it difficult but I am not someone who gives up. I had it in my head that I would have to battle, to fight and work hard to make my dream come true. I ended up here.
'This is my dream. I'm relaxed about being away from Brazil. I know after all this hard work, I will be compensated. When I knew of Liverpool's interest, I watched a lot of videos to see what I could expected. When they asked if I wanted to come, I did not think twice. I just said yes. There will be times to enjoy things in the future but now it is about work. I won't stop.'
Firmino did not think twice about moving to Liverpool when he found out they were interested
And he doesn't stop. So far this season, he has covered 46.9kilometres and he is relishing the chance to press and pester the life out of Chelsea's big money deadline day signing; Firmino's face lights up when he talks about David Luiz but friendships will be on hold when this rivalry resumes.
'He's my amigo,' says Firmino. 'I don't get the chance to see him in person a lot but I speak to him on WhatsApp whenever I can. I was a little bit surprised when he came back to England but he is a great player. I've not spoken to him this week but I'm looking forward to playing against him.'
Whether Luiz will say the same is open to debate. One thing beyond question, though, is the affinity he and Klopp have developed over the last year and you can see, with each passing week, the subtle improvements he is adding to the 24-year-old's game.
His affinity with manager Jurgen Klopp has helped him develop during his time at Anfield
Klopp made Robert Lewandowski and Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang superstars in Germany and there is no reason why he can't do the same for Firmino, whose two goals last week at Anfield helped rip Leicester to shreds. This pupil, after all, is willing.
'I played against his teams for four-and-a-half years,' says Firmino, who converses with Klopp in German while he continues to study English. 'I know what he wants from a player. When I heard that he was coming to be Liverpool manager, I was so pleased. I could not have been happier.
'I knew what he was going to bring here. He brought a style of work and play from Germany and the team has adapted to it. Our friendship is crystal clear. There is nothing behind it. He is a great person. If you do what he asks you to do, you will never let him down.
'Can he make me the Neymar of Liverpool? It all depends on me.'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...help-make-Neymar-Liverpool.html#ixzz4KPMnJosO
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Ooh, dodgy tattoos of loved ones? I need to see these and judge their comic potential.
Fire away.
LOL. I wish I had the pics the tattooist used for comparative purposes. The tattooist seems to have gone for a rather stylised communist poster effect.
I hope to see this thread continuing in a similarly fawning, adulatory fashion for as long as possible.
Fire away.
Dear oh dear. I bet every time he flexes his muscles his mam goes on a diet.
It is hardily fawning praise.
Fucking hell they're bad.
In Liverpool there was a tattoo parlour inside the Palace on Wood St. I took my ex in there when we were about 19 dthe git her belly button pierced there.
The tattoo artist in there had a picture of his mum on his arm, & it's the only time I've ever seen a tattoo of a real person that looked good.
I told him this & he said it was cos he was an artist before he started doing tattoos, & showed me his work, he would sketch the picture from a photo using pencil & shading it, then do the tattoo. It looked exactly like a photo that had been turned into a pencil sketch using software.
Thing is, he can't be the only one who can do that, there must be other tattoo artists who do it well, & this fucker has enough money to fly them in from wherever in the world to do a good fucking job of something that's going to stay on his skin FOREVER.
I don't lie tattoos anyway, I think it's nuts people would do that, but if you're going to, then make sure it's the very best one it can possibly be.
In Liverpool there was a tattoo parlour inside the Palace on Wood St. I took my ex in there when we were about 19 dthe git her belly button pierced there.
The tattoo artist in there had a picture of his mum on his arm, & it's the only time I've ever seen a tattoo of a real person that looked good.
I told him this & he said it was cos he was an artist before he started doing tattoos, & showed me his work, he would sketch the picture from a photo using pencil & shading it, then do the tattoo. It looked exactly like a photo that had been turned into a pencil sketch using software.
Thing is, he can't be the only one who can do that, there must be other tattoo artists who do it well, & this fucker has enough money to fly them in from wherever in the world to do a good fucking job of something that's going to stay on his skin FOREVER.
I don't lie tattoos anyway, I think it's nuts people would do that, but if you're going to, then make sure it's the very best one it can possibly be.
I will happily accept any player is boss if they provide enough evidence
I agree. How, in the name of Robbie, did he omit wonderman from that song?
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