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Wiberg said:
Ask and you shall receive:

The Merseyside club currently sit 10th in the Premier League table, the same position they were in when manager Brendan Rodgers was sacked in October.
Klopp has overseen eight wins, five draws and three defeats across all competitions since taking over at Anfield, with impressive victories over Manchester City, Chelsea and Southampton tempered by losses to Crystal Palace, Newcastle United and Watford.
The former Borussia Dortmund boss has now said that his time at Liverpool could have started better if he did not have to contend with the English weather, particularly strong winds.

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"The English game is not faster than the German game. Perhaps there are a few more sprints. But there is a different style of football here, partially due to the weather," Klopp told German newspaper Bild.

"The wind can be quite extreme in England. We are not familiar with that in Germany and you have to keep things simple. Stoke City's first goal against Manchester United was a perfect example of the extreme winds. Players who are not from the UK have to get used to the winds

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...english-weather-wind-philosophy-a6790806.html.
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Bollocks. It's nice of Germany to lead the way in wind farms if there's so little wind there, and it's generous of meteorologists to rate the country so high in windy areas of Europe when it's all so nice and still, and it's an amazing coincidence that English people, too, have been commenting on how unusually windy it's been during the past month. Then again, Jurgen's been here for less time than I have, so I'll accept his comparison uncritically. Pip pip.
 
gkmacca said:
Bollocks. It's nice of Germany to lead the way in wind farms if there's so little wind there, and it's generous of meteorologists to rate the country so high in windy areas of Europe when it's all so nice and still, and it's an amazing coincidence that English people, too, have been commenting on how unusually windy it's been during the past month. Then again, Jurgen's been here for less time than I have, so I'll accept his comparison uncritically. Pip pip.
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Nah, I think you also have to consider that they dont play in the most windy months in Germany when the weather is really shitty. It makes perfect sense...
 
Firmino's got good technique and plenty of skill. He's played in rain, wind, sleet and snow in Germany. The weather is irrelevant. Pace and physicality, and refereeing, might be slightly different here, but they should be easy to adapt to after a few months. There's no excuse. If he can't do well here, he lacks the right attitude to do so. That's all.
 
Wiberg said:
Is he a bad player? Probably not. He just needs half a second more on the ball like Morientes did. He belongs in Spain or Germany. Everything is against him in the PL. He is a flair player who needs time, space, a good pitch, no wind, no rain if possible.

I watched Padrick Harrington talk about where and how he learned to play golf in Ireland. It was always pissy weather with gale force winds and raining of course. He could scramble a course like that and keep the ball down. For him the big challenge was to play in mint conditions i South Africa where the ballstrikers could run free with there high approach shots and mega drives.

Firmino is one of those ballstrikers and looks like an epic fail casting in the PL.
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Love your spelling of Padraig Harrington's Christian name, which is the phonetic spelling of how most commentators ( outside Ireland ) pronounce it.
Pawdrig would be the proper phonetic spelling.
 
kingjulian said:
That is not at all what im saying. I actually think we bought some good players but refuse to give them a chance to do well. It may actually be a good thing for us to not sign anyone this Jan....as Klopp is new he wont be slaughtered if we dont finish top 4, which we most certainly will not achieve refardless of who we bring.

Also what we lack is leadership on the pitch to make it all work. If that can be addressed in Jan, that is the only thing we should aim to address..

Henderson as captain? Meh
Milner as captain??? Double Meh
Lucas as captain????? My fucking eyes....
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Sakho as Captain then?
 
gkmacca said:
Firmino's got good technique and plenty of skill. He's played in rain, wind, sleet and snow in Germany. The weather is irrelevant. Pace and physicality, and refereeing, might be slightly different here, but they should be easy to adapt to after a few months. There's no excuse. If he can't do well here, he lacks the right attitude to do so. That's all.
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Agreed, but players are different though. A few months or a season it just depends on the circumstances.
Adapting in a team thats struggeling is also a bit harder.
 
gkmacca said:
Bollocks. It's nice of Germany to lead the way in wind farms if there's so little wind there, and it's generous of meteorologists to rate the country so high in windy areas of Europe when it's all so nice and still, and it's an amazing coincidence that English people, too, have been commenting on how unusually windy it's been during the past month. Then again, Jurgen's been here for less time than I have, so I'll accept his comparison uncritically. Pip pip.
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But it's a fact that Klopp has been talking about the wind being a factor for the past few games now; I was starting to wonder why he keeps mentioning how our players need to "use the wind" instead of playing against it and Wiberg's quote explains it nicely, I think. These things do matter and actually top professionals usually take these things into account; for instance Roger Federer always talks about things like direction of the wind, shade and humidity as important factors in his strategy.
 
rurikbird said:
But it's a fact that Klopp has been talking about the wind being a factor for the past few games now; I was starting to wonder why he keeps mentioning how our players need to "use the wind" instead of playing against it and Wiberg's quote explains it nicely, I think. These things do matter and actually top professionals usually take these things into account; for instance Roger Federer always talks about things like direction of the wind, shade and humidity as important factors in his strategy.
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Yes, I think that's surely obvious. But 'Wiberg's quote' was surely everybody's quote, in the sense that it's been widely quoted for about a month now and we've all read it. The wind blew a tree down outside me house the other day. It's an exceptionally windy spell. Agreed. And we've surely all played football in windy conditions and it's shit, unless your keeper boots it straight into the opposition goal or your volley takes on a few more mph. But what is the actual point beyond the fact we've had a few games in bad conditions? It's just a wintry spell, not the start of a Hollywood-style climatic disaster. And our opponents played in the same conditions, only they adapted better. So it's hardly relevant long term when discussing Firmino, is it? Can we get back to a sensible discussion now?
 
Jack D Rips said:
Love your spelling of Padraig Harrington's Christian name, which is the phonetic spelling of how most commentators ( outside Ireland ) pronounce it.
Pawdrig would be the proper phonetic spelling.
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Irish fella I used to know told me it was "Porrig" - said you didn't sound the "d".
 
Tonight was a good advert for him starting as the main striker in an attacking three. It brings the best out of the team, and I believe if we gave him a run of five games there, he'd start producing.
 
He played well tonight and worked his balls off. Just a pity his shooting has been so erratic. He looks a different player when not alongside Benteke . Strange that some players find it hard to play well in the same team.
 
I thought he did look better but he's been pretty average regardless who he's played with bearing in mind Benteke has been absent for long periods.
I'm really not sure what his real position is, I suppose it is a number 10, he's too slow to play as a striker - it would be interesting to see him as the only number ten type player in the pitch behind a front two - then I think you would see him at his best
 
He looked pretty good last night but his final product is still off. Looks short on confidence to me and doesn't look as though he's settled yet. Doesn't look like an attitude issue as he works his socks off. I guess we'll see by the end of the season.
Took Suarez a while to settle and really start producing in front of goal too.
 
mom said:
He looked pretty good last night but his final product is still off. Looks short on confidence to me and doesn't look as though he's settled yet. Doesn't look like an attitude issue as he works his socks off. I guess we'll see by the end of the season.
Took Suarez a while to settle and really start producing in front of goal too.
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It was very windy last night. Especially on the final 1/3. Fact.
 
He's not a striker in the traditional sense, but I do think that's his best position and it brings out the best of him and the best of us. A lot of success last time came from linking up with Coutinho and when he went off he found getting on the ball a lot more difficult. I would have hope to see a lot more quality from him during his time here, but last night was reassuring that he's not a complete write off.
 
mom said:
He looked pretty good last night but his final product is still off. Looks short on confidence to me and doesn't look as though he's settled yet. Doesn't look like an attitude issue as he works his socks off. I guess we'll see by the end of the season.
Took Suarez a while to settle and really start producing in front of goal too.
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It's exactly that, he needs to settle down, a run of games in that position will help his confidence massively. He's snatching at shots at the moment, and generally looking a little intimidated playing for us, but once he gets over that, chances like his almost one on one last night quickly turn into goals.
 
mom said:
He looked pretty good last night but his final product is still off. Looks short on confidence to me and doesn't look as though he's settled yet. Doesn't look like an attitude issue as he works his socks off. I guess we'll see by the end of the season.
Took Suarez a while to settle and really start producing in front of goal too.
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I wouldn't disagree entirely but you could see from day 1 Suarez had it all, he was dubbed as "not a natural goal scorer" by most , how foolish we look now.
I hope and pray that Firmino does settle down and come good, but I am not overly optimistic as I have not seen the basics displayed yet, added to which he isn't the most fleet of foot player I have ever seen
 
Don't get me wrong, he'll never be a Suarez, but do I think he's gonna be worth the money we paid for him? Yes, I do.
I think he's a Klopp kinda player, if there is such a thing.
 
mom said:
He looked pretty good last night but his final product is still off. Looks short on confidence to me and doesn't look as though he's settled yet. Doesn't look like an attitude issue as he works his socks off. I guess we'll see by the end of the season.
Took Suarez a while to settle and really start producing in front of goal too.
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He's like a slow, shit Suarez just without the goal scoring ability, will to win, temperament and mentality
 
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