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For a start, both Spanish giants were out by Q finals back then.
2004/5 Q Finalists
Bayern Munich
Chelsea
Internazionale
Juventus
Liverpool
Lyon
Milan
PSV Eindhoven
2013/14 Q Finalists
Atletico Madrid
Barcelona
Bayern Munich
Borussia Dortmund
Chelsea
Manchester United
Paris Saint-Germain
Real Madrid
2004/5 Q Finalists
Bayern Munich
Chelsea
Internazionale
Juventus
Liverpool
Lyon
Milan
PSV Eindhoven
2013/14 Q Finalists
Atletico Madrid
Barcelona
Bayern Munich
Borussia Dortmund
Chelsea
Manchester United
Paris Saint-Germain
Real Madrid
I'd like Athletico Madrid or Dortmund to win the title this season.
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in fairness any combo from this years list of QFinalists will be interesting , well apart from Utd-Chelsea.
What are the odds ? Are united least favoured ? they'd have to be .
What are the odds ? Are united least favoured ? they'd have to be .
Yep United are the outsiders of the eight. A couple of fun quotes from Redcafe :
All the teams in the pot will be hoping to draw us,thats for sure.
Does it really matter?
It's really difficult to imagine us winning over 2 legs against any of them.
Chelsea will draw Crewe
(below a list of the QF teams) .... None of the above.
All will spank us
no easy draw for me, because we are the easy draw,
Teams to avoid: Real, Chelsea, Bayern, PSG, Barca, Atletico, Dortmund.
All the teams in the pot will be hoping to draw us,thats for sure.
Does it really matter?
It's really difficult to imagine us winning over 2 legs against any of them.
Chelsea will draw Crewe
(below a list of the QF teams) .... None of the above.
All will spank us
no easy draw for me, because we are the easy draw,
Teams to avoid: Real, Chelsea, Bayern, PSG, Barca, Atletico, Dortmund.
Ffs they have Zero chance. We won because of one man largely, Rafa and you couldn't get a more different tactical man than Moyes. They will get humped in the q/f by any one of the 7
There's no way United should be able to win the CL but there was no way we should have won it in 2005. United are 18 points off top place BUT we were 35 points off top when we won it. The main difference I see, and the reason I'm confident they can't win it, is that we could defend whereas any of the other 7 teams this season should score freely against the current United defence.
It's only a minor positive but we can use United's victory last night to maybe increase our chances of league success. The hardest part of winning the league from here on in is having the mental toughness to win it and we might fall at the last hurdle because we haven't won it in so long that we may bottle it. If Brodgers can focus the teams mind on the fact that our CL position is not assured i.e. if United win the CL the team in 4th don't qualify, and he should impress upon the team why 3rd is lowest position we should be looking at. For a brief while it may take the attention away from the ultimate prize of the actual title; the longer we can go without focussing solely on the title the better our chances will be.
It's only a minor positive but we can use United's victory last night to maybe increase our chances of league success. The hardest part of winning the league from here on in is having the mental toughness to win it and we might fall at the last hurdle because we haven't won it in so long that we may bottle it. If Brodgers can focus the teams mind on the fact that our CL position is not assured i.e. if United win the CL the team in 4th don't qualify, and he should impress upon the team why 3rd is lowest position we should be looking at. For a brief while it may take the attention away from the ultimate prize of the actual title; the longer we can go without focussing solely on the title the better our chances will be.
I don't understand why he's now coming out and saying Man Utd can win the Champions League. I don't get when you have constantly performed below your supporters' expectations all season, why after one victory against a team that you should have beaten in both legs you would now attempt to ramp expectations up even more.
Funny that Rafa with a much better squad this year couldn't even get out of the group stage. But Moyes is sitting pretty in the Qf.
Managers eh?
The groups were completely different standard wise plus you really should leave the managers comments alone considering how foolish you've already looked. Stick to numbers and stuff 😉
Yes, Moyes was lucky wasn't he?
You've proven my entire argument, well done. Everything else is more important than who the manager is
Napoli would have loved to be in Utds group I reckon.
Dortmund, Napoli, Arsenal, Marseille
Utd, Leverkusen, Shaktar, Sociedad.
Napoli is the only team not to qualify with 12 points and lost out one goal scored less against Arsenal.
I think Giggs has probably won player of the tournament based on yesterday's performance.
Not a cat in hells chance will UTD win it...
Best chance of getting to the Semi's is get Chelsea in the next round. They lack the pace the other sides have.
The only 2 teams United would have any chance of beating would be Dortmund or Chelsea and even then they'd need a lot of luck.
Are you really attempting to argue that managers don't matter in a discussion /thread about Sir David of Moyes????
which one?
I just dont get how people can say that they can't win it. It is improbable, but its not impossible!
Similarities.
Exactly. Of course they can fucking win it. It's called riding your luck. And if any team are capable of riding their luck, it's them cunts.
It's whether it's a possibility worth worrying about. IMO it isn't because it's just so remote.
I don't see the similarity to 2005, except that they're clearly not the best team in the competition. We were massively unlikely to win that, but some signs were there.
For a start, we absolutely hammered Leverkusen in the last 16, a better side than Utd just beat. We were clearly gaining momentum at that point. Utd just barely scraped through against one of the worst teams in the competition.
We had an exciting new manager who was taking his time adapting to the PL but who everyone was behind. A manager who'd achieved great things in the recent past, including winning in Europe, and had just taken us to a League Cup final. Utd have David Moyes, their equivalent to Roy Hodgson, who about 95% of their fans want sacked. It's a completely different situation, psychologically.
Also, as others have said, that team did, on its day, have one outstanding quality: its defence. That meant it could go to Juve, it could go to Stamford Bridge, and just soak up pressure. It had some kind of strategy for beating better teams.
Sorry, but they've got about as much chance of winning the CL as they have of catching us in the league. That's *possible*, but it's hardly worth worrying about, is it?
I don't see the similarity to 2005, except that they're clearly not the best team in the competition. We were massively unlikely to win that, but some signs were there.
For a start, we absolutely hammered Leverkusen in the last 16, a better side than Utd just beat. We were clearly gaining momentum at that point. Utd just barely scraped through against one of the worst teams in the competition.
We had an exciting new manager who was taking his time adapting to the PL but who everyone was behind. A manager who'd achieved great things in the recent past, including winning in Europe, and had just taken us to a League Cup final. Utd have David Moyes, their equivalent to Roy Hodgson, who about 95% of their fans want sacked. It's a completely different situation, psychologically.
Also, as others have said, that team did, on its day, have one outstanding quality: its defence. That meant it could go to Juve, it could go to Stamford Bridge, and just soak up pressure. It had some kind of strategy for beating better teams.
Sorry, but they've got about as much chance of winning the CL as they have of catching us in the league. That's *possible*, but it's hardly worth worrying about, is it?
Chelsea also had a manager that none of their fans or players wanted. Granted he had pedigree, but if the United squad were to build up some momentum, they could win it, in spite of their manager.
Granted, it's a long shot, but it's a lot more possible than them catching us in the league. I'd be very happy if they drew Real in the next round and got battered.
Granted, it's a long shot, but it's a lot more possible than them catching us in the league. I'd be very happy if they drew Real in the next round and got battered.
They will have to have a lot of luck with the draws and the games themselves to win it. Not worried. Will be delighted when they get their arses handed to them.
Tottingham with 2 quick goals with 10 mins left, 1 more to take it to extra time, they should have had it just then aswell.
Spurs unlucky there not to take the game to extra time ... I actually wanted them to win b/c of that cunt of a Benfica manager.
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