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European Footy this week

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I denigrate every manager, because people give them way too much credit. And often for things they have little control over.

Like Suarez's goal scoring this year - that's all on him. If it was because of Rodgers then we'd need an explanation as to why he's gone from more than a goal a game to back to a one in two ratio since the turn of the year.


Other than the return of Daniel Sturridge and playing in a different position and system as a result?

I believe that explanation has been offered up on multiple occasions.
 
I denigrate every manager, because people give them way too much credit. And often for things they have little control over.

Like Suarez's goal scoring this year - that's all on him. If it was because of Rodgers then we'd need an explanation as to why he's gone from more than a goal a game to back to a one in two ratio since the turn of the year.
From an outside perspective, it seems you are pretty capricious in regards to assigning any credit or disapproval to people at a football club. Whatever suits the agenda eh?
 
From an outside perspective, it seems you are pretty capricious in regards to assigning any credit or disapproval to people at a football club. Whatever suits the agenda eh?

I think you'll find its the exact opposite
 
But he's getting a very similar number of chances in similar positions.


Is he? Even if that is the case, it doesn't tell the whole story as there are many other variables to take into consideration.

Either way, I'm not particularly interesting in pursuing this discussion. I have some sympathy for your argument (though often not the way you present it), I just thought you picked a bad example with the Luis Suarez scoring rate.
 
I think you'll find its the exact opposite

Okay then, if you could briefly give your opinion on tactical changes in formation, and positions of personnel (Gerrard, Sterling last week etc) in the previous couple of months. And also, what your opinion is of Rodgers' coaching ability. Because you are the only person I know of who seems to think Rodgers hasn't got improvement out of the team and squad, or was it just coincidence that several players started producing better at a similar time?
 
Okay then, if you could briefly give your opinion on tactical changes in formation, and positions of personnel (Gerrard, Sterling last week etc) in the previous couple of months. And also, what your opinion is of Rodger's coaching ability. Because you are the only person I know of who seems to think Rodgers hasn't got improvement out of the team and squad, or was it just coincidence that several players started producing better at a similar time?

No its not coincidence, but it has way more to do with the age profile of the squad than anything else.

And it was entirely foreseeable
 
Is he? Even if that is the case, it doesn't tell the whole story as there are many other variables to take into consideration.

Either way, I'm not particularly interesting in pursuing this discussion. I have some sympathy for your argument (though often not the way you present it), I just thought you picked a bad example with the Luis Suarez scoring rate.

I think in a few years time people will be able to point to the reason Suarez went on such a scoring burst.

If I'm right, as I clearly think I am, nobody will put it down to tactics. That's not to say Rodgers doesn't have the team playing for the benefit of the strikers, because he does
 
Mcnugget of an answer, ie. Of no substance.

Are you saying that just because it's me your talking to?
It seems totally bizarre.

I'll never understand the things are good, manager must be great / things are bad manager must be shite attitude. It's so overwhelming stupid to ignore all the factors in his favour when determining whether he's doing a good job or not.

I happen to think hes doing fine, but we need to be sharper on transfers. But most of the reasons we are where we are have little to do with him.
 
Mcnugget comparison yes, but the point stands that a vague one line answer, pointing to a peak age group as the defining reason of our improvement, is of little to no substance. I'm not saying Rodgers is faultless or that 100% of all good things at Liverpool is down to him, but there's an undeniable correlation between our playing style (which is attributable to Rodgers) and results, let alone more advanced tactics and individual improvement from players (which by their own words, is through coaching).
 
Mcnugget comparison yes, but the point stands that a vague one line answer, pointing to a peak age group as the defining reason of our improvement, is of little to no substance. I'm not saying Rodgers is faultless or that 100% of all good things at Liverpool is down to him, but there's an undeniable correlation between our playing style (which is attributable to Rodgers) and results, let alone more advanced tactics and individual improvement from players (which by their own words, is through coaching).

This is one of those you can't reason a man out of a position he didn't reason himself into situations.

So I'll leave it be
 
And this is why I usually leave you to that particular thought on managers and the improvement/decline of teams, because you don't want to really discuss it.
 
And this is why I usually leave you to that particular thought on managers and the improvement/decline of teams, because you don't want to really discuss it.

I couldn't resist that. Sorry.

A team with an average age of 23 is going to get better unless the manager is a total fucking idiot. It's really that simple.
It's also going to get better when it's overspending by 40m a year.
 
Mcnugget comparison yes, but the point stands that a vague one line answer, pointing to a peak age group as the defining reason of our improvement, is of little to no substance. I'm not saying Rodgers is faultless or that 100% of all good things at Liverpool is down to him, but there's an undeniable correlation between our playing style (which is attributable to Rodgers) and results, let alone more advanced tactics and individual improvement from players (which by their own words, is through coaching).

Thats all it ever is, he thinks these cryptic vague one liners make him come across as some higher intelligence when in real world it makes him the biggest joke on the forum.

You won't get any real substance from him for his crackpot theories because there is no substance behind them.

'Well see in a few years time' lol yeah right, also someone that cannot ever admit they are wrong are might be wrong is a massive waste of time and space.
 
What did Napoli do last year, minus the shitload of money they spent on quite a few players?

I have already explained why what you wrote was a nonsense, seriously how can he be written off as a failure after 7 months? thats so wrong and strange.

If he fucks up CL qualification and the cup final then ill agree his first season has been a failure.
 
I have already explained why what you wrote was a nonsense, seriously how can he be written off as a failure after 7 months? thats so wrong and strange.

If he fucks up CL qualification and the cup final then ill agree his first season has been a failure.

His first season has been a failure as he's taken the team backward in my opinion. That team finished 2nd place and was far closer to Juve last year (it was under 10 ponits) than this year. He spent a ton and has not taken the team forward. If you're a top team - with that budget - than standards are higher. He's a good manager but he's not done the job this year ...

I'd say Wenger has failed this year too - even though he'll probably get CL qualification and win a cup - because I'm judging that team to a higher standards. Doesn't mean I think Wenger is a shite manager, I just think he's not good the job done either.
 
His first season has been a failure as he's taken the team backward in my opinion. That team finished 2nd place and was far closer to Juve last year (it was under 10 ponits) than this year. He spent a ton and has not taken the team forward. If you're a top team - with that budget - than standards are higher. He's a good manager but he's not done the job this year ...

I'd say Wenger has failed this year too - even though he'll probably get CL qualification and win a cup - because I'm judging that team to a higher standards. Doesn't mean I think Wenger is a shite manager, I just think he's not good the job done either.

I respect your opinions, you speak sense but your opinion that Rafa has been a failure at this time is just isn't right, you might be right at the end of the season but not now.

Rafa can't control what Juve do, they are stronger this season.

Napoli are bang on to get the same amount of points (give or take 1 or 2) as last season after selling their star player which added with 20 odd million funded a rebuild of their squad, we all know looking at Spurs for the perfect example how its not easy to replace an elite player and get a raft of new players to gel quickly.

If Napoli qualify for the CL and win the cup then its a really successful season for them, just CL is par i reckon, at this moment in time its certainly no failure being in a Cup Final and comfortably in the CL qualifying spots.

You know what i don't even care if he does succeed there, if he does good on him, ill be pleased for him because i do like the bloke for obvious reasons, if it goes tits up?, then oh well, shrug of the shoulders, the only issue i was replying to was you saying with such certainty that hes been a failure.

Anyway im off to beat one out over Russell Brand, goodnight.
 
You know what i don't even care if he does succeed there, if he does good on him, ill be pleased for him because i do like the bloke for obvious reasons, if it goes tits up?, then oh well, shrug of the shoulders, the only issue i was replying to was you saying with such certainty that hes been a failure.

Anyway im off to beat one out over Russell Brand, goodnight.

I wanted him to succeed for two reasons - a) he's a Red and b) it would be funny to see Ross analyze it!

He replaced Cavani with Higuain ... that was his decision ... and it IS doable (as we did with Torres, and Manure did when they 'replaced' Ronaldo). He's just purchased poorly imo and the gap between Juve and Napoli has grown.

That being said, I'm not really fussed - I am going to bed too! 🙂 Buona notte.
 
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