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If only we still had Hyypiä. Agger and Sami would be great.

At the moment I'd defo play Agger if he's fit enough. Not sure which of Carra/Skrtel I'd drop, probably Carra.
 
Agger seems to be the new Aquilani. Everyone's just assuming once he's back everything will be fine. Sure he's a great player, but so are Carra and Skrtel usually.
 
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=36282.msg957916#msg957916 date=1254745705]
I wasn't having a pop Squiggs, i'm just not convinced that dropping Carra will do him any favours.

It's a perfectly fair call if Rafa did drop Carra, especially considering that we've got a very talented CB to call upon. Personally though i thought he showed signs of improvement yesterday, so I'd give him the Sunderland game to take it to the next level.
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You could be right. I called for Skrtel to be dropped for the Greek against Chelsea and he put in a blinder.

It's annoying the obvious solution of Sami Hyppia isn't around to solve this mess.
 
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=36282.msg957916#msg957916 date=1254745705]
I wasn't having a pop Squiggs, i'm just not convinced that dropping Carra will do him any favours.

It's a perfectly fair call if Rafa did drop Carra, especially considering that we've got a very talented CB to call upon. Personally though i thought he showed signs of improvement yesterday, so I'd give him the Sunderland game to take it to the next level.
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You could be right. I called for Skrtel to be dropped for the Greek against Chelsea and he put in a blinder.

It's annoying the obvious solution of Sami Hyppia isn't around to solve this mess.
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Indeed, he's in great form for Leverkusen too.
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=36282.msg957921#msg957921 date=1254746031]
Agger seems to be the new Aquilani. Everyone's just assuming once he's back everything will be fine. Sure he's a great player, but so are Carra and Skrtel usually.
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On a random aside, my dad told me he played tennis with Billy Liddell a couple times yesterday. I'm sure he's going senile.
 
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=36282.msg957916#msg957916 date=1254745705]
I wasn't having a pop Squiggs, i'm just not convinced that dropping Carra will do him any favours.

It's a perfectly fair call if Rafa did drop Carra, especially considering that we've got a very talented CB to call upon. Personally though i thought he showed signs of improvement yesterday, so I'd give him the Sunderland game to take it to the next level.
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You could be right. I called for Skrtel to be dropped for the Greek against Chelsea and he put in a blinder.

It's annoying the obvious solution of Sami Hyppia isn't around to solve this mess.
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Indeed, he's in great form for Leverkusen too.
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I think the people who made out carra was our best defender whilst sami was here were wrong, simple as that. sami was our best defender and was our best defender for the better part of ten years. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind sami could walk into our back line tomorrow and improve it.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36282.msg957843#msg957843 date=1254737771]
for the record my definition of 'liability' is someone that does more harm than good. does that describe carra?
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That's an inane definition.

What you should be thinking is whether Player A will do a better job than Player B.
 
I'd drop him for the odd game, but i'm not writing him off yet.

What i want is a solid partnership with Skrtel and Agger whilst they garner Carra's experience, die-hard attitude and leadership skills.
 
I dont know if I am quiffing, but dropping Carra makes no sense to me. He is the only player in our squad who actually talks and attempts to organise. The rest of the team might as well be mute, for all the input they have (Pepe apart). If Agger or Skrtel showed any kind of leadership qualities from CB then I may have been prepared to accept most of the points here.
I am also concerned that Agger may play an international game before he plays for us. He had better come through unscathed.......
 
why should carra get special treatment? he's been shit all season. there is no sentiment in success. drop him, let him wait for his opportunity and/or use him as a sub and in the domestic cup games. if he rediscovers his form then he'll fight his way back into the first 11. if not then he'll just have to get used to being a bit part player like sami was towards the end of his career.

leadership qualities isn't all about shouting at your teammates. i'm sure given the opportunity reina would emerge as a leader in our defence. i also think agger has it in him to do likewise.

i'm sure if someone asked carra his opinion he'd admit that he would have no complaints if he was dropped.
 
[quote author=rage link=topic=36282.msg958053#msg958053 date=1254759287]
why should carra get special treatment? he's been shit all season. there is no sentiment in success. drop him, let him wait for his opportunity and/or use him as a sub and in the domestic cup games. if he rediscovers his form then he'll fight his way back into the first 11. if not then he'll just have to get used to being a bit part player like sami was towards the end of his career.

leadership qualities isn't all about shouting at your teammates. i'm sure given the opportunity reina would emerge as a leader in our defence. i also think agger has it in him to do likewise.

i'm sure if someone asked carra his opinion he'd admit that he would have no complaints if he was dropped.
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Fucking hell.
 
I'd do it. Don't know if it'll make us better. But I am willing to give it a try. But if Skrtel and Agger couldn't gel in a run of games I would bring back Carra for Skrtel. My biggest problem lies in Carra not trusting Skrtel and others. Don't thing the youngones will have that same problem. Having a back four under the age of 25 might also be risky. And at least once we'd get caught with 3 players of em down field.
 
Yesterday I thought Carra was outstanding until the 91st minute,Solid in everything he done.I will give you my own poll who is better than who.

Carra v Skertel = Carra, Hands down

Carra v Agger = Carra by a fuckin mile.

Carra v The greek = Do I have to answer this?

Get a grip lads as the getting on Carras back is getting fuckin boring now,We are a more attacking team now (Benitezs words not mine) So the defence is going to get Scrutinised more than ever and for me Carras perfomance may not be 100%,I would say 98% and still by miles our best defender so get the fuck off his back.
 
I'd put it down to trust tbh.

I'dve thought not rotating the back line wouldhave eradicated it, but it would appear not yet.
 
[quote author=mark mc link=topic=36282.msg958201#msg958201 date=1254773107]
Yesterday I thought Carra was outstanding until the 91st minute,Solid in everything he done.I will give you my own poll who is better than who.

Carra v Skertel = Carra, Hands down

Carra v Agger = Carra by a fuckin mile.

Carra v The greek = Do I have to answer this?

Get a grip lads as the getting on Carras back is getting fuckin boring now,We are a more attacking team now (Benitezs words not mine) So the defence is going to get Scrutinised more than ever and for me Carras perfomance may not be 100%,I would say 98% and still by miles our best defender so get the fuck off his back.
[/quote]Mate no one is saying he isnt the best player. We are saying he isnt playing well. I dont really care who the player is from Kenny to Diao if you dont play well for 6 or 7 games on the bounce you should lose your place. Does Fergie keep players in the team who arent playing well? No mate he doesnt. his loyalist of lickspittles Gary Neville had a shocker vs Villa last year and didnt get near the starting 11 again.

Im not saying its time to put Carra out to pasture, im saying no player should be THIS sure of their place. Not gerrard not torres NOONE. In particular when they arent playing in any way up to their usual standard. Tough decisions come with the territory.
 
Typical Internet hysteria.

There's no way Carra will be dropped now, or anytime soon for any sustained period of time. I think it's difficult for some to distinguish between Fantasy Football and what actually happens on the pitch.
 
[quote author=mark mc link=topic=36282.msg958201#msg958201 date=1254773107]
Yesterday I thought Carra was outstanding until the 91st minute,Solid in everything he done.I will give you my own poll who is better than who.

Carra v Skertel = Carra, Hands down

Carra v Agger = Carra by a fuckin mile.

Carra v The greek = Do I have to answer this?

Get a grip lads as the getting on Carras back is getting fuckin boring now,We are a more attacking team now (Benitezs words not mine) So the defence is going to get Scrutinised more than ever and for me Carras perfomance may not be 100%,I would say 98% and still by miles our best defender so get the fuck off his back.
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98% ??........ I think you are letting your heart rule your head, apart from yesterday, when he wasn't great, he has had a pretty indifferent start to the season.
Had it been anyone else they would have been hung out to dry by now, but Carra, quite reasonably, carries a certain amount of immunity, given his past record and the fact he will shed blood for the cause.
However if Carra had any real competition he would not have been playing yesterday.
His distribution is gash, and always has been , his strength has always been in his defending, and if that is not up to the mark, like it hasn't been, the he is left being just another decent player.
Life moves-on the warning signs as regards Carra's longevity in the role have been there for a while now, and only the most foolish would have been ignorant of that.
He may confound me and prove me wrong, I really hope he does, but we need to start blooding a new partnership because like it or not Carra is no spring chicken he will be 32 before the season is out, and by the end of the last few terms has looked pretty fucked, this season he does not look to have benefited much from a break.


regards
 
[quote author=mark mc link=topic=36282.msg958201#msg958201 date=1254773107]
Yesterday I thought Carra was outstanding until the 91st minute,Solid in everything he done.I will give you my own poll who is better than who.

Carra v Skertel = Carra, Hands down

Carra v Agger = Carra by a fuckin mile.

Carra v The greek = Do I have to answer this?

Get a grip lads as the getting on Carras back is getting fuckin boring now,We are a more attacking team now (Benitezs words not mine) So the defence is going to get Scrutinised more than ever and for me Carras perfomance may not be 100%,I would say 98% and still by miles our best defender so get the fuck off his back.
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Mark MC you have to be the biggest idiot in this world!

Skrtel is a much better defender and player than carragher HANDS DOWN
Agger is also a much better defender and player than carragher HANDS DOWN

As for the greek well he should be sitting next to carragher on the bench =] thats where they both deserve to be.

Carragher has no speed
Carragher has no passing ability
Carragher has no scoring ability (besides from scoring own goals)
Carraghers defending is also questionable (drogba drilled him with ease the other day and so did JOVETIC.. a 19year old) thats saying something..

i could keep going about what is wrong with carragher.

The only reason carragher is seen as being good is because he is english and has come through the ranks at our club. Otherwise if he was just another player that we had bought and was 32 years old and playing like ass the way he is atm and has been lately most of use would be on his back. Time to pull the finger out of your ass and realise that he is past his best and should make way for a new partnership.
 
[quote author=zlatan18 link=topic=36282.msg958339#msg958339 date=1254794594]
[quote author=mark mc link=topic=36282.msg958201#msg958201 date=1254773107]
Yesterday I thought Carra was outstanding until the 91st minute,Solid in everything he done.I will give you my own poll who is better than who.

Carra v Skertel = Carra, Hands down

Carra v Agger = Carra by a fuckin mile.

Carra v The greek = Do I have to answer this?

Get a grip lads as the getting on Carras back is getting fuckin boring now,We are a more attacking team now (Benitezs words not mine) So the defence is going to get Scrutinised more than ever and for me Carras perfomance may not be 100%,I would say 98% and still by miles our best defender so get the fuck off his back.
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Mark MC you have to be the biggest idiot in this world!

Skrtel is a much better defender and player than carragher HANDS DOWN
Agger is also a much better defender and player than carragher HANDS DOWN

As for the greek well he should be sitting next to carragher on the bench =] thats where they both deserve to be.

Carragher has no speed
Carragher has no passing ability
Carragher has no scoring ability (besides from scoring own goals)
Carraghers defending is also questionable (drogba drilled him with ease the other day and so did JOVETIC.. a 19year old) thats saying something..

i could keep going about what is wrong with carragher.

The only reason carragher is seen as being good is because he is english and has come through the ranks at our club. Otherwise if he was just another player that we had bought and was 32 years old and playing like ass the way he is atm and has been lately most of use would be on his back. Time to pull the finger out of your ass and realise that he is past his best and should make way for a new partnership.
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I'm loathe to be uncouth (I'm not really), but you're a proper thick cunt.
 
[quote author=zlatan18 link=topic=36282.msg958339#msg958339 date=1254794594]
[quote author=mark mc link=topic=36282.msg958201#msg958201 date=1254773107]
Yesterday I thought Carra was outstanding until the 91st minute,Solid in everything he done.I will give you my own poll who is better than who.

Carra v Skertel = Carra, Hands down

Carra v Agger = Carra by a fuckin mile.

Carra v The greek = Do I have to answer this?

Get a grip lads as the getting on Carras back is getting fuckin boring now,We are a more attacking team now (Benitezs words not mine) So the defence is going to get Scrutinised more than ever and for me Carras perfomance may not be 100%,I would say 98% and still by miles our best defender so get the fuck off his back.
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Mark MC you have to be the biggest idiot in this world!

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Oh the delicious irony!
 
Whatever about Carra, if people don't think Agger and Skrtel are good enough to form a good central defensive partnership, then we have a lot of shopping to do.
 
[quote author=Rafiagra link=topic=36282.msg958799#msg958799 date=1254860397]
Have Agger and Skrtel ever played together?
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Yes. Yes they have.

On several Xbox 360s.
 
[quote author=zlatan18 link=topic=36282.msg958339#msg958339 date=1254794594]
[quote author=mark mc link=topic=36282.msg958201#msg958201 date=1254773107]
Yesterday I thought Carra was outstanding until the 91st minute,Solid in everything he done.I will give you my own poll who is better than who.

Carra v Skertel = Carra, Hands down

Carra v Agger = Carra by a fuckin mile.

Carra v The greek = Do I have to answer this?

Get a grip lads as the getting on Carras back is getting fuckin boring now,We are a more attacking team now (Benitezs words not mine) So the defence is going to get Scrutinised more than ever and for me Carras perfomance may not be 100%,I would say 98% and still by miles our best defender so get the fuck off his back.
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The only reason carragher is seen as being good is because he is english and has come through the ranks at our club. Otherwise if he was just another player that we had bought and was 32 years old and playing like ass the way he is atm and has been lately most of use would be on his back.
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He is "seen as being good" because he has been fucking excellent for us in the past. Are you serious? He has being a rock for us since he moved CB.
 
Carra has been a rock but you cannot deny he has been below par this season. He has however done enough to justify persevering with longer than you probably would for most other players. However, every player's time comes.
 
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