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rurikbird

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Frankly, for me the Chelsea game was the last straw. Carra is a liability to this team now and on his performance he doesn't deserve to be in starting 11. Losing headers, losing position, beaten for pace, mental mistakes - you name it. In the last game alone, Johnson and especially Skrtel saved his ass on several occasions, yet he still cost us 2 goals. It's difficult to drop a leader and organizer like Carra, but it is even more difficult to see him playing like this and see our defense leaking goals like never before. As soon as Agger is match-fit, Rafa has to make a difficult decision and drop Carra from the starting 11.

Agree or not?
 
I do, however i'm not sure if many will share our sentiments.
 
I don't think he cost us both goals yesterday, there was little he could have done about the first one, but I think the responsibility for the 2nd one should be placed firmly at his door. But that said, IMO there was little else he did wrong yesterday. I'd have said it was one of his better performances this season barring that aberration in injury time. I don't think that mistake alone warrants him being dropped.

What yesterday's game was crying out for though was a defender with Agger's ball playing ability and intelligence, someone who could have initiated attacks and driven the team forward, too many times for my liking was the ball hoofed forward by our centre backs (Carragher in particular).
 
I am not sure how well Carra would accept it and what affect it would have on the general moral of the team, but I think we need to give it a try, but only when Agger is 100%

regards
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=36282.msg957803#msg957803 date=1254733562]
I am not sure how well Carra would accept it and what affect it would have on the general moral of the team, but I think we need to give it a try, but only when Agger is 100%

regards
[/quote]

I never thought I'd be saying this, well this year at least, but he's got to go.
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=36282.msg957803#msg957803 date=1254733562]
I am not sure how well Carra would accept it and what affect it would have on the general moral of the team, but I think we need to give it a try, but only when Agger is 100%

regards
[/quote]

I'm really surprised you just said that Vlad.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36282.msg957817#msg957817 date=1254735395]
can someone please tell me why carra is a liability?
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Spider, you're getting thicker by the day mate.
 
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=36282.msg957822#msg957822 date=1254735683]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36282.msg957817#msg957817 date=1254735395]
can someone please tell me why carra is a liability?
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Spider, you're getting thicker by the day mate.
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not thick enough to resort to insults though. I'll skip deftly pass the insult and again ask why he is a liability? I thought carra had a have decent game yesterday, the central defenders were caught badly for the first goal because too many players were upfield and the second goal was unfortunate. I'll will readily conceed carra is having a poor season but 'LIABILITY?'

rafa isn't thick, he would reomve a 'liability' from the team post haste, what the fuck has he got to gain by keeping a liability in the team?
 
I remember Carra saying he constantly petrified of losing his place in the side.

I'm sure he still has the faith of Rafa, but he's got to be thinking that he needs to up his game and sharpish now that Agger is fit.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=36282.msg957827#msg957827 date=1254736330]
I remember Carra saying he constantly petrified of losing his place in the side.

I'm sure he still has the faith of Rafa, but he's got to be thinking that he needs to up his game and sharpish now that Agger is fit.
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I think if carra loses his place in the side he will have a hard time regaining his place for two simple reasons;

a) you have to give a new partnership at least 5-10 games to gel

b) agger/skrtel are younger so you'd persevere because they are the future

rafa will try and squeeze every drop out of carra whilst he has the legs. if carra was going to be dropped I would have perfered it if it were for sami whilst he was here because I thought then as now that sami was the best defender we had on our books but left because defenders who were frankly inferior to him where playing week in week out.
 
[quote author=Scotino link=topic=36282.msg957810#msg957810 date=1254734508]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=36282.msg957803#msg957803 date=1254733562]
I am not sure how well Carra would accept it and what affect it would have on the general moral of the team, but I think we need to give it a try, but only when Agger is 100%

regards
[/quote]

I'm really surprised you just said that Vlad.
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I don't know why old lad, we have to be realistic in these things. I posted this in May, and it is coming to pass......
"I don't think I would argue with the idea that he is still by far our best defender, although having said that there is not that much competition for that crown.
To get hung up on one slip is ridiculous, but let's not kid ourselves either there are one or two signs that he is pretty knackered and needs a break.
The trap that must be avoided at all costs, and we have been guilty of in the past, is not recognising when former icons and top players are on their way down. The centre back pairing relies more on understanding than any other position on the pitch so some forethought has to go into it.
Do not let sentimentality get in the way of hard decisions, it was something Shanks never did, and you don't have to look too hard to see Fergusson's thinking on it either, but it is something that others , most notably Dalglish succumbed to.
As said, there is indeed life in the old dog yet, but how much, I am not sure.
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regards
 
for the record my definition of 'liability' is someone that does more harm than good. does that describe carra?
 
Not being a liability doesn't equate to good enough.

See Lucas.
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=36282.msg957835#msg957835 date=1254736923]
[quote author=Scotino link=topic=36282.msg957810#msg957810 date=1254734508]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=36282.msg957803#msg957803 date=1254733562]
I am not sure how well Carra would accept it and what affect it would have on the general moral of the team, but I think we need to give it a try, but only when Agger is 100%

regards
[/quote]

I'm really surprised you just said that Vlad.
[/quote]

I don't know why old lad, we have to be realistic in these things. I posted this in May, and it is coming to pass......

I'm surprised cos I thought he'd have been one of Carra's dogged backers, not because I disagree on the need to drop him. Many of the people on here have said Agger and Skrtel are our CB pairing of the future, I for one think that future is now.

regards
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I wouldn't drop Carra.

Skrtl's been equally poor this Season it just seems like everyone's forgot this because of his one good game last night.

Carra and Agger would be my choice.

A splendid choice I may add.
 
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=36282.msg957866#msg957866 date=1254739701]
I wouldn't drop Carra.

Skrtl's been equally poor this Season it just seems like everyone's forgot this because of his one good game last night.

Carra and Agger would be my choice.

A splendid choice I may add.
[/quote]

Probably a sign of things to come from Skrtel then if the good game he had came against a direct title rival.
 
[quote author=Scotino link=topic=36282.msg957867#msg957867 date=1254740119]
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=36282.msg957866#msg957866 date=1254739701]
I wouldn't drop Carra.

Skrtl's been equally poor this Season it just seems like everyone's forgot this because of his one good game last night.

Carra and Agger would be my choice.

A splendid choice I may add.
[/quote]

Probably a sign of things to come from Skrtel then if the good game he had came against a direct title rival.
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Beeing a big-game player you mean? That wouldn't be too bad actually.

Based on yesterdays game alone Carra was the weakest link of the two obviously, but as he's offering so much more in terms of routine, leadership, enthusiasm and sheer spirit compared to the others, he should be the first player on the teamsheet in defense every single time.

For now at least.
 
Nobody is dismissing Carragher's leadership abilities out of hand.

Everyone here knows of his importance, but the fact is he's making key mistakes and it is hurting us. I think he needs benching for a week or two and give him the chance to come back stronger and sort himself out.
 
Compared to being constantly showed up?

He was better yesterday for the most part, but these mistakes won't be good for his confidence either.

It's a tough call and you have to respect Benitez's decision because he knows him more than anyone, but for me it's time to have a week or two's rest.
 
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=36282.msg957901#msg957901 date=1254744707]
I don't think Carra sitting on the bench will help him find his form.
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But if he's on the bench and we are winning does it matter?

I'm not saying he should or shouldn't by the way, but if he's dropped and we start winning it would be soon forgotten abuot.
 
I wasn't having a pop Squiggs, i'm just not convinced that dropping Carra will do him any favours.

It's a perfectly fair call if Rafa did drop Carra, especially considering that we've got a very talented CB to call upon. Personally though i thought he showed signs of improvement yesterday, so I'd give him the Sunderland game to take it to the next level.
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=36282.msg957912#msg957912 date=1254745540]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=36282.msg957901#msg957901 date=1254744707]
I don't think Carra sitting on the bench will help him find his form.
[/quote]

But if he's on the bench and we are winning does it matter?

I'm not saying he should or shouldn't by the way, but if he's dropped and we start winning it would be soon forgotten abuot.
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No it doesn't mate, but with the games coming up i'd rather that Carra was in the side. It would be a tough time to try out a new CB partnership imo.
 
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