Dani Pacheco

[the_khl]

Needs his own thread on here. That's all.

Actually it's not.

I was SO impressed with this young lad that I'm still tickling with excitement over his future at Liverpool.

When was the last time an attacking-minded youngster made an instant impact like the one he did against Fiorentina?

I've thought of Gerrard but he was introduced at RB if I'm not mistaken? Owen with his brief cameo as a 16-year-old against The Dons (I reckon it was)? Fowler's maybe?

Pachecho's impressive debut against one of the better teams in Europe right now is probably on par with their performances really taking everything into consideration. With him beeing non-English and all.

He could turn out to be a real star this one.

 

[Whitey85]

He touched the ball about 3 times in 15 mins so lets all not get a hard on just yet.

He did look desperate to get involved and showed more movement in 15 mins than Vornonin did in 5 games.

It was a nice little cameo and should put him in Rafa's mind for more bench time.

 

[gkmacca]

He's matured since last season, his confidence has shot up and he really looks to be champing at the bit for the first team. But don't forget the way fans turned on Speaing after his Real Madrid cameo and other early appearances. Pacheco will get his chances but he will also 'hit a wall' at some point and look ordinary, and when that happens I just hope we don't get another knee-jerk barrage of abuse about him really being 'shit'.

 

[the_khl]

[quote author=Whitey85 link=topic=37833.msg1011625#msg1011625 date=1260524010]
He touched the ball about 3 times in 15 mins so lets all not get a hard on just yet.

He did look desperate to get involved and showed more movement in 15 mins than Vornonin did in 5 games.

It was a nice little cameo and should put him in Rafa's mind for more bench time.
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I don't mind how many times he actually touched the ball Whitey.

What mattered to me was they was he made use of it when he did. Within his first two minutes or so he went closer to a goal than anyone else in our team at that stage (bar Yossi's glancing header obviously). His first touch set him free of his marker and his dipping shot from outside the area had gone in at the nearest post if it wasn't for a great fingertip-save.

Whenever he got the ball he just looked very composed, far more than any 18-year-old I've seen for Liverpool in a long, long while and I don't think he actually made one bad decision throughout?

Of course time will come when he'll struggle obviously, so did Fowler, Owen, Gerrard etc. as well, all I'm saying is, that his cameo yesterday made one think that we could be on the brink of having someone really special making the grade.

I wouldn't bet against it.

 

[spider-Neil]

I wish we could develope a world class winger.

 

[gkmacca]

I've no doubts he'll make it. But I just hope we all give the lad plenty of time and patience.

 

[Hansern]

I think he has a very good chance of making it, unfortunatly for him our season have been shite.

Which makes it harder for him to get little cameo apperances.

 

[the_khl]

[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=37833.msg1011629#msg1011629 date=1260525473]
He's matured since last season, his confidence has shot up and he really looks to be champing at the bit for the first team. But don't forget the way fans turned on Speaing after his Real Madrid cameo and other early appearances. Pacheco will get his chances but he will also 'hit a wall' at some point and look ordinary, and when that happens I just hope we don't get another knee-jerk barrage of abuse about him really being 'shit'.
[/quote]

I thought Spearing showed glimpses of a great little player in his debut agreed, but otherwise I don't think they're comparable. There were just something else about this little Pacheco-lad, and his use of the ball was splendid for such a young player. He looked far more intelligent on the ball than far older players we've seen in the exact same position this Season.

To be honest Kelly impressed me just as much in his game against Lyon as RB. It's just been a good while since a young attacking-minded Reserve-player has made an instant impact as well.

 

[gkmacca]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=37833.msg1011636#msg1011636 date=1260526468]
I wish we could develope a world class winger.
[/quote]

We are trying. This is what rattles me with those who are now trying to depict the current management team as COMPLETELY incompetent and clueless. You shouldn't just dismiss the huge efforts being put into our longer term prospects because it spoils the over-generalised assault. More care and intelligence and responsibility has been shown in this area than throughout Houllier's and Roy's era (and the zero effort during the great freedom fighter Souness's time).

 

[the_khl]

[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=37833.msg1011637#msg1011637 date=1260526481]
I've no doubts he'll make it. But I just hope we all give the lad plenty of time and patience.
[/quote]

It's Rafa mate, he'll wrap him in cotton and not play him again untill 2011.



*You are right though but every sane fan would do so, give him time and patience....

 

[gkmacca]

[quote author=the_khl link=topic=37833.msg1011639#msg1011639 date=1260526596]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=37833.msg1011629#msg1011629 date=1260525473]
He's matured since last season, his confidence has shot up and he really looks to be champing at the bit for the first team. But don't forget the way fans turned on Speaing after his Real Madrid cameo and other early appearances. Pacheco will get his chances but he will also 'hit a wall' at some point and look ordinary, and when that happens I just hope we don't get another knee-jerk barrage of abuse about him really being 'shit'.
[/quote]

I thought Spearing showed glimpses of a great little player in his debut agreed, but otherwise I don't think they're comparable. There were just something else about this little Pacheco-lad, and his use of the ball was splendid for such a young player. He looked far more intelligent on the ball than far older players we've seen in the exact same position this Season.

To be honest Kelly impressed me just as much in his game against Lyon as RB. It's just been a good while since a young attacking-minded Reserve-player has made an instant impact as well.
[/quote]

I wasn't saying they were comparable TALENTS, for god's sake. That wasn't the point!

 

[gkmacca]

[quote author=the_khl link=topic=37833.msg1011641#msg1011641 date=1260526746]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=37833.msg1011637#msg1011637 date=1260526481]
I've no doubts he'll make it. But I just hope we all give the lad plenty of time and patience.
[/quote]

It's Rafa mate, he'll wrap him in cotton and not play him again untill 2011.

[/quote]

Yes, like poor Insua.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=37833.msg1011643#msg1011643 date=1260526929]
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=37833.msg1011641#msg1011641 date=1260526746]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=37833.msg1011637#msg1011637 date=1260526481]
I've no doubts he'll make it. But I just hope we all give the lad plenty of time and patience.
[/quote]

It's Rafa mate, he'll wrap him in cotton and not play him again untill 2011.

[/quote]

Yes, like poor Insua.
[/quote]

I wish insua WAS wrapped in cotten wool.

 

[the_khl]

[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=37833.msg1011643#msg1011643 date=1260526929]
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=37833.msg1011641#msg1011641 date=1260526746]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=37833.msg1011637#msg1011637 date=1260526481]
I've no doubts he'll make it. But I just hope we all give the lad plenty of time and patience.
[/quote]

It's Rafa mate, he'll wrap him in cotton and not play him again untill 2011.

[/quote]

Yes, like poor Insua.
[/quote]
Haha yeah... he's been thrown in at the deep end hasn't he?

Hopefully Aurelio will soon be fit enough to play a few games and give Insua a rest, I think it would do him a world of good really (same goes for Lucas).

 

[the_khl]

[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=37833.msg1011642#msg1011642 date=1260526812]
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=37833.msg1011639#msg1011639 date=1260526596]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=37833.msg1011629#msg1011629 date=1260525473]
He's matured since last season, his confidence has shot up and he really looks to be champing at the bit for the first team. But don't forget the way fans turned on Speaing after his Real Madrid cameo and other early appearances. Pacheco will get his chances but he will also 'hit a wall' at some point and look ordinary, and when that happens I just hope we don't get another knee-jerk barrage of abuse about him really being 'shit'.
[/quote]

I thought Spearing showed glimpses of a great little player in his debut agreed, but otherwise I don't think they're comparable. There were just something else about this little Pacheco-lad, and his use of the ball was splendid for such a young player. He looked far more intelligent on the ball than far older players we've seen in the exact same position this Season.

To be honest Kelly impressed me just as much in his game against Lyon as RB. It's just been a good while since a young attacking-minded Reserve-player has made an instant impact as well.
[/quote]

I wasn't saying they were comparable TALENTS, for god's sake. That wasn't the point!
[/quote]

I wasn't implying you were saying that mate. Was only arguing why I don't think Pacheco will look anywhere near as lost as Spearing sadly has been doing in his last outings.

 

[gkmacca]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=37833.msg1011645#msg1011645 date=1260527228]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=37833.msg1011643#msg1011643 date=1260526929]
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=37833.msg1011641#msg1011641 date=1260526746]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=37833.msg1011637#msg1011637 date=1260526481]
I've no doubts he'll make it. But I just hope we all give the lad plenty of time and patience.
[/quote]

It's Rafa mate, he'll wrap him in cotton and not play him again untill 2011.

[/quote]

Yes, like poor Insua.
[/quote]

I wish insua WAS wrapped in cotten wool.
[/quote]

Very predictable, but it doesn't obscure the fact that players are getting a chance and not being wrapped in cotton wool. At a time when all kinds of problems are evident, don't invent rogue ones.

 

[manwithnoname]

I find it laughable, idiotic and unfair that a bunch of clueless divs on a website want to pin so much hope on such a young lad, after only watching 20 minutes or so of him play




However that is what I'm going to do

 

[gkmacca]

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[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=37833.msg1011642#msg1011642 date=1260526812]
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=37833.msg1011639#msg1011639 date=1260526596]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=37833.msg1011629#msg1011629 date=1260525473]
He's matured since last season, his confidence has shot up and he really looks to be champing at the bit for the first team. But don't forget the way fans turned on Speaing after his Real Madrid cameo and other early appearances. Pacheco will get his chances but he will also 'hit a wall' at some point and look ordinary, and when that happens I just hope we don't get another knee-jerk barrage of abuse about him really being 'shit'.
[/quote]

I thought Spearing showed glimpses of a great little player in his debut agreed, but otherwise I don't think they're comparable. There were just something else about this little Pacheco-lad, and his use of the ball was splendid for such a young player. He looked far more intelligent on the ball than far older players we've seen in the exact same position this Season.

To be honest Kelly impressed me just as much in his game against Lyon as RB. It's just been a good while since a young attacking-minded Reserve-player has made an instant impact as well.
[/quote]

I wasn't saying they were comparable TALENTS, for god's sake. That wasn't the point!
[/quote]

I wasn't implying you were saying that mate. Was only arguing why I don't think Pacheco will look anywhere near as lost as Spearing sadly has been doing in his last outings.
[/quote]

Well, Pacheco will look great against, say, Burnley, but he might well be made to look anonymous against one of the best defences, and that's when he'll need our support. Spearing, on the other hand, is a good prospect who had a couple of bad performances amidst many bad performances by more experienced colleagues, and he's been crucified for it. If more fans had seen him over a long period in the reserves they would have shown him a bit of faith.

 

[Tinto]

[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=37833.msg1011640#msg1011640 date=1260526731]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=37833.msg1011636#msg1011636 date=1260526468]
I wish we could develope a world class winger.
[/quote]

We are trying. This is what rattles me with those who are now trying to depict the current management team as COMPLETELY incompetent and clueless. You shouldn't just dismiss the huge efforts being put into our longer term prospects because it spoils the over-generalised assault. More care and intelligence and responsibility has been shown in this area than throughout Houllier's and Roy's era (and the zero effort during the great freedom fighter Souness's time).
[/quote]

Apart one or two on here who will never give Rafa any credit for anything that goes well, we all want to believe that what is going on with the youth setup will provide us with some wonderful footballers. Surely, though, you can understand the cynicism when Rafa has bought in about billion youngsters and the vast majority have got nowhere near our first team?

I didn't see much of Wednesday's match but it gladdens my heart to read the way some posters are so delighted with this young lad. Hope he gets many more opportunities this season.

 

[gkmacca]

A billion? There are older threads where we've gone through all of this before, so I don't want to do it all again, but those signings (Pacheco was one of them, by the way) was a short term response while the new move to attract local talent was developed - are you suggesting it would have been wiser to have sat back and wait five years for the new home grown players to emerge through the reformulated system? And these players ARE getting close to the first team, and several of them have already made their debuts, so, again, don't confuse cynicism with realism.

 

[the_khl]

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[quote author=the_khl link=topic=37833.msg1011639#msg1011639 date=1260526596]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=37833.msg1011629#msg1011629 date=1260525473]
He's matured since last season, his confidence has shot up and he really looks to be champing at the bit for the first team. But don't forget the way fans turned on Speaing after his Real Madrid cameo and other early appearances. Pacheco will get his chances but he will also 'hit a wall' at some point and look ordinary, and when that happens I just hope we don't get another knee-jerk barrage of abuse about him really being 'shit'.
[/quote]

I thought Spearing showed glimpses of a great little player in his debut agreed, but otherwise I don't think they're comparable. There were just something else about this little Pacheco-lad, and his use of the ball was splendid for such a young player. He looked far more intelligent on the ball than far older players we've seen in the exact same position this Season.

To be honest Kelly impressed me just as much in his game against Lyon as RB. It's just been a good while since a young attacking-minded Reserve-player has made an instant impact as well.
[/quote]

I wasn't saying they were comparable TALENTS, for god's sake. That wasn't the point!
[/quote]

I wasn't implying you were saying that mate. Was only arguing why I don't think Pacheco will look anywhere near as lost as Spearing sadly has been doing in his last outings.
[/quote]

Well, Pacheco will look great against, say, Burnley, but he might well be made to look anonymous against one of the best defences, and that's when he'll need our support. Spearing, on the other hand, is a good prospect who had a couple of bad performances amidst many bad performances by more experienced colleagues, and he's been crucified for it. If more fans had seen him over a long period in the reserves they would have shown him a bit of faith.
[/quote]

Spearing is a good prospect. He may never make the grade at Liverpool but it's obvious to anyone that have seen him play more than once that he's got talent.

The thing is every youngster needs a bit of faith really as they'll at some point look clueless and out of their depths.

Messi aside.

And probably this Pachecho-lad too....






*tongue very much in cheek*

 

[jexykrodic]

I thought Pacheco did well in the short time he was on the pitch. He showed good control and confidence to set himself up and strike at goal in the first few minutes he was on the pitch, and showed for the ball and moved it on well later.

I'm sure he's done enough to get himself more appearences. In the reserves he has a much more active influential part in the game and hopefully he can build this into his games in the 1st team.

 

[gkmacca]

Spearing is a good prospect. He may never make the grade at Liverpool but it's obvious to anyone that have seen him play more than once that he's got talent.

The thing is every youngster needs a bit of faith really as they'll at some point look clueless and out of their depths.

Messi aside.

And probably this Pachecho-lad too....






*tongue very much in cheek*

Hear hear. 'The booing of Spearing' sounds like the title of a PG Wodehouse short story, but it was a sad moment for the fans. Everything has to be immediate these days, and then over-hyped (and the offal site/LFCTV are guilt of this, too), but, as you say, it's important we give these players time.

 

[TheBunnyman]

It was a nice cameo - he didn't look scared or overawed, which is always a good sign. Pacheco might well get a chance on the left this season, given the paucity of our options there, especially if Babel is sold/loaned out in January.

As with Insua and Spearing, however, I just wish he was a little bit bigger. Can't they add growth hormones to the food in the Academy canteen or something?

 

[Jack D Rips]

I have to say that I was disappointed at some of the negative comments about Darby as well. I know he fucked up for the winning goal and made a couple of other late mistakes when he got tired, but overall I thought he did quite well on his debut.

 

[gkmacca]

God, I hope Pacheco gets played in his right position. I agree about the height - it could help with Daniel playing where he does, but it's always going to be Spearing's problem. If anyone can help him overcome that, though, it's Sammy Lee.

 

[Tinto]

[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=37833.msg1011661#msg1011661 date=1260528587]
A billion? There are older threads where we've gone through all of this before, so I don't want to do it all again, but those signings (Pacheco was one of them, by the way) was a short term response while the new move to attract local talent was developed - are you suggesting it would have been wiser to have sat back and wait five years for the new home grown players to emerge through the reformulated system? And these players ARE getting close to the first team, and several of them have already made their debuts, so, again, don't confuse cynicism with realism.
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When Rafa first became our manager, I liked that he brought in many young lads with potential. It was and still is a good thing, but when you see nearly all of them gradually being moved on with, at best, a one or two first team performances, you do begin to wonder whether it's worth it. Especially so when in the past you saw it was players such as Voronin blocking their route.

Of course, it's extremely hard for a youngster to make it to the level required by our club, but in these past 5 years of Rafa's tenure you would hope, at least one would be good enough. And when that one is Insua, you begin to wonder again. That's really incredibly unfair on Insua of course, who looked fine in a team that was flying during the end of last season, and has struggled in a struggling team this season.

 

[Tinto]

[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=37833.msg1011693#msg1011693 date=1260531383]
I have to say that I was disappointed at some of the negative comments about Darby as well. I know he fucked up for the winning goal and made a couple of other late mistakes when he got tired, but overall I thought he did quite well on his debut.
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Didn't Darby play against PSV last season or am I confusing him with someone else?

 

[gkmacca]

He played last season and performed very well.

 

[dossena]

Macca,

You seem very upset about people berating Spearing. The two games that he played for us this season, he was so awful that he made Lucas and Plessis look good.

It's nothing personal whatsoever mate. I reckon people think that the kid won't ever be good enough for the club.