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Chelsea Post Match Goodness..

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I don't know about anyone else, but I was surprised by the way we not only dominated them in terms of passing the ball with more purpose, but you saw the likes of Lallana, Henderson and Wijnaldum dominate them physically too. This is a big, athletic Chelsea side, who as ever resemble an expensively constructed Stoke, who look at their most threatening from setpieces.

And with I think one exception we did so without needlessly giving away the freekicks (or worse) that were always such a threat to us with Skrtel, Sakho and Lucas in the team. People will focus on high intensity 'football like hell' but at the heart of Klopp's philosophy is a drive to improve our players' intelligence.
 
And with I think one exception we did so without needlessly giving away the freekicks (or worse) that were always such a threat to us with Skrtel, Sakho and Lucas in the team. People will focus on high intensity 'football like hell' but at the heart of Klopp's philosophy is a drive to improve our players' intelligence.

Lucas was unlucky with that one on the edge of the box, but Christ it was so bloody typical of his lack of intelligence in those situations, he put his foot in late and left himself open to the consequences.

I like how intelligent Matip is, he pushes high but stays aware of what's going on around him, he dovetails quite well with Clyne because he'll come wide to allow Clyne to push on, without getting caught. He's a good player, really clever reader of the game and a great techician too. I'm made up with him so far, he's looking like what we've lacked since big Sami.
 
No. We beat Chelsea away, and Arsenal, got a point at Spurs and battered the champions at home.

That is all.

I didn't mean it like that. It was more like we beat Chelsea away,, and that in itself is so very very satisfying and ace, that it will do for now, perfectly and entirely on its own.
 
Just read Klopp's comments about the Sturridge substitution. Not injury but tactical? Fine, that's part of the job, and although Origi was shit, the thinking was sound.

But the reason given? He noticed Sturridge 'couldn't run' anymore?

That's really, really worrying. Is he now a player who at his best, can only keep it up for an hour?
 
Just read Klopp's comments about the Sturridge substitution. Not injury but tactical? Fine, that's part of the job, and although Origi was shit, the thinking was sound.

But the reason given? He noticed Sturridge 'couldn't run' anymore?

That's really, really worrying. Is he now a player who at his best, can only keep it up for an hour?

I think he just meant he was knackered. It's better that he had run himself into the ground though, he looked quick in the first hour I thought.
 
I think we give too much credit to the opposition players when some of you are asking 'what happened to Chelsea ?' - clearly I think they were afraid of our attack given the way in short bursts we can really hurt a team. However, that I think restricted their players - we were excellent at keeping the ball last night and the way we controlled them after conceding finally gives me some form of hope that we can actually hold onto a lead. When they scored I actually started thinking - oh shit here we go Southampton again from last season - still we need to be able to hold onto the 1-0 leads.

What is all this shit about not winning the league - we are not ready - this whole mental attitude started under GH with his 5 year plan bollox - prior to that we as a club EXPECTED to win the league each season. The playing field is balanced - there are no outstanding 'WORLD CLASS' players in this league anymore - its about team strategy, organisation, fitness and some degree of pace with of course consistency. Given that last season we did very well against all the top teams - for us it is about really giving it large to those that are not expected to win the title. That is all we need to do - I think Klopp is actually taking care of the rest and I suspect his frustration is just the consistency thing - but for that we could win the league. That's all it is - I think the biggest test for us is how we deal with players like the Rashfords of this world - the pacey wingers, strikers that are willing to take their man on. Once we deal with that shit we are genuine title contenders.

I would say give it till Christmas - if we are 3-5 points behind the league leaders then we are in the run for the title.
 
I often wonder whether the modern concept of the "defensive midfielder" creates an unaffordable luxury. All midfielders should surely be able to defend and attack as the occasion demands.

Kante is a wonderful player, don't really care if that kind of player is an 'unaffordable luxury'. For a few weeks anyway, then they'll be vital again.

He doesn't score or create, so while he covers a lot of ground, he's primarily there to quell attacks and then let the likes of Hazard or whoever attack. He wasn't helped by a poor display from Matic, and the sheer numbers of Liverpool players swarming all over him made his job I possible in the first half.

As for the wider debate about a 'new style of midfield/ midfielder' that is certainly worth its own thread.

But to save time: no
 
I think the idea was to hit us quickly on the break once the ball was turned over. However what really impressed me was the way we anticipated their attacks and snuffed them out quickly, particularly Matip who looks as if he can read the game really well, something we have missed since Carra retired. The more I see Matip the more he reminds me of Jockey.

Indeed. Did you hear the commentator comment on one time when Matip strode forward with the ball into midfield, something along the lines of very much like Rio Ferdinand there. I was like get to fuck, Jockey was doing that when Ferdinand was still shitting his nappy!
 
I often wonder whether the modern concept of the "defensive midfielder" creates an unaffordable luxury. All midfielders should surely be able to defend and attack as the occasion demands.

I'm fairly sure that Klopp would agree with this and that it's what he's aiming for. In theory I'd agree as well, but in practice it seems harder to achieve these days, the game having become as fast and as tough as it has. If Mascher in his prime were suddenly to reappear I'd sign him up in a jiffy.
 
If Mascher in his prime were suddenly to reappear I'd sign him up in a jiffy.

Oh, me too! Mascherano is one of my all-time favourites. But to me he wasn't just a defensive midfielder. He covered acres of ground, like a terrier freed from its lead in the park, robbing the opposition of the ball and feeding our forwards.

Mascher wasn't a big blob sitting in front of the defence conceding free kicks at every opportunity, in the style of Lucas!
 
Oh, me too! Mascherano is one of my all-time favourites. But to me he wasn't just a defensive midfielder. He covered acres of ground, like a terrier freed from its lead in the park, robbing the opposition of the ball and feeding our forwards.

Mascher wasn't a big blob sitting in front of the defence conceding free kicks at every opportunity, in the style of Lucas!

Yeah, he also pressed high too. I remember Torres scoring from a Mascher tackle up the field. He would have worked very well in a Klopp team.
 
Lucas was unlucky with that one on the edge of the box, but Christ it was so bloody typical of his lack of intelligence in those situations, he put his foot in late and left himself open to the consequences.

I like how intelligent Matip is, he pushes high but stays aware of what's going on around him, he dovetails quite well with Clyne because he'll come wide to allow Clyne to push on, without getting caught. He's a good player, really clever reader of the game and a great techician too. I'm made up with him so far, he's looking like what we've lacked since big Sami.
Exactly this. I've also wondered if that's one of the reasons why Milner is playing LB. I think Klopp is using Milner's intelligence and industry to provide extra protection on that side while Lovren really establishes himself.
 
Just read Klopp's comments about the Sturridge substitution. Not injury but tactical? Fine, that's part of the job, and although Origi was shit, the thinking was sound.

But the reason given? He noticed Sturridge 'couldn't run' anymore?

That's really, really worrying. Is he now a player who at his best, can only keep it up for an hour?
There were at least two, maybe three occasions in the second half where you'd expected the Sturridge of the Suarez season to have sprinted and either got to the basll or at least troubled the defender. He didn't make the effort. I think he was knackered. Or he could feel something in his muscles, the way Owen described it last week.
 
Exactly this. I've also wondered if that's one of the reasons why Milner is playing LB. I think Klopp is using Milner's intelligence and industry to provide extra protection on that side while Lovren really establishes himself.

It's working. Aside from the Spurs goal, I don't recall Milner making too many mistakes. I think the only minor criticism we can make of that side of the team is that we have two players who like to cut in, so we lack width at times, but Milner does get to the byline occasionally, even if he does try to get the ball back on his right foot to swing a cross in. Either way, it worked yesterday because it was a lovely inswinger from Coutinho for the goal, from cutting in.

The side just looks like it has alot more balance. Rather ironically, adding two less defensively minded players to the middle of the park and putting Henderson deep, seems to have solidified that area of the team. I can't work it out, but a huge amount of credit goes to Klopp on that one.
 
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