Charlie Adam

[Squiggles]

The signing of new players will only happen once we've managed to shift some of our dead wood. The wage bill is horrendous enough as it is without adding to it further.

We're just going to have to be patient.

And then tolerant of some pretty average players.

 

[Gary25]

[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42898.msg1358445#msg1358445 date=1309538392]
The signing of new players will only happen once we've managed to shift some of our dead wood. The wage bill is horrendous enough as it is without adding to it further.

We're just going to have to be patient.

And then tolerant of some pretty average players.
[/quote]

£9 million is the asking price apparently, hardly groundbreaking stuff.
In the meantime we're leaving ourselves open for other Clubs coming in for Adam. Enrique as well for that matter. Two players that should be Liverpool players already in my view.

 

[Squiggles]

It's wages which are the big problem though. I'm certain we've got plenty of cash for transfers, but just too much is going out each month.

I reckon this impasse is due to us being busy whoring players all over Europe.

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=Gary25 link=topic=42898.msg1358447#msg1358447 date=1309538597]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42898.msg1358445#msg1358445 date=1309538392]
The signing of new players will only happen once we've managed to shift some of our dead wood. The wage bill is horrendous enough as it is without adding to it further.

We're just going to have to be patient.

And then tolerant of some pretty average players.
[/quote]

£9 million is the asking price apparently, hardly groundbreaking stuff.
In the meantime we're leaving ourselves open for other Clubs coming in for Adam. Enrique as well for that matter. Two players that should be Liverpool players already in my view.
[/quote]

Whether they should be or not is missing the point, they're obviously not for a reason. This is cyclic, we've overspent before on wages and transfers and we're paying for it because we're trying to get back in a sustainable wage structure, but that means getting rid of the deadwood first. Forget the transfer fees we've paid of late, there has to come a point where we stop allowing ourselves to be screwed over by clubs because of who we are. People say it's only a couple of million, but it's a couple of million on EVERY transfer target. Apparently Kenny had given up on Enrique a while back because Newcastle were asking for too much, so how does that reason that he should already be playing for us? Because we should have bent over and allowed Newcastle to shaft us (again)? It doesn't and shouldn't work like that, not on players of that level anyway. We should go all out for our prime targets but we should have an idea of their worth and the fee threshold otherwise we're just becoming mugs. Maybe we're victims of our own stupidity and it will take a while to eradicate that and lose the tag, but it's got to be done.

All this "we should have X player by now, we should have paid the money" is great because of who our competitors are, we see them doing it and we want the same. The problem is, we don't have the same level of success on offer, we don't have European football and more crucially, we don't have the money to sustain it in the longterm. We've got to be sensible. I can understand the frustration yeah, and on the back of buying Henderson it is a bit baffling, but maybe Kenny and co have seen something in that lad and thought he was worth going all out for, we can only put our faith in them on that score, the issue with the rest can only be that we're in a position of not being able to always attract top talent so we're not willing to overspend on players who might need to be improved upon as we step up a tier.

 

[Gary25]

Mark, top Clubs spend big all the time and make losses. If you want to be successful, you have to spend. It's as simple as that.

New Owners but it's still the same old dithering that occurs every fuckin transfer window at Liverpool FC. Without Champions League football and no Premier League title, ever, We're not in any position to fuck about.
We're putting in stupid bids for players and hoping somehow the Club accepts it. Aint going to happen. Yet at the same time we're able to give Sunderland £16 million for a player who wasn't on any Liverpool fan's thoughts before he signed and not to mention trebling his wages in the process. Where's the sense in that.

As for Enrqiue, what do you mean not going all out for players of that level? He stood out like a sore thumb for Newcastle in an average Newcastle side last season and is one of the finest left back's in the game? A position which is a problem one for us.

Pre-season is next week and we really need to get our house in order sharpish. Man U have already cleaned up in this transfer window and they're not done yet, City will be splashing the cash any day now, so will Chelsea, and Arsenal. We're going to be left behind at this rate.

 

[mark1975]

Arrrrghhh.. come on, it's July 1st! The International transfer window opened today! Who have Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs bought? Since January we've bought Suarez, Carroll and Henderson. Regardless what people say about those players, no one can accuse us of not trying to speculate to accumulate, but we're not City or Chelsea, we're not a bottomless pit. United have spent more than anyone, but they've just finished as Champions and Runners up in the Champions League, they're financially and successfully on a high and it's the first time they've spent really big in a few years. They sold Ronaldo and bought no one, so this is no different to us selling Torres and investing in the three players above, they're in a position to invest so they are, just like we were in January.

I really don't get the hysterics. Apart from Adam no one knows if there was any real intent or interest beyond a speculative enquiry (if that!) for the rest of the players we've been strongly linked with. It's all 'what if', they might all spend any day now, so might we, we all start the season at the same time and the window closes for all of us at the same time.

 

[Avmenon]

If your definition of 'top club' is who has the most cash, then we're not a top club. Clubs which don't have as much money have to make the best use of whatever available assets there are, and we've spent very very badly. There is no question that we're going to be left behind, and there are only 2 ways out of that.

Either a major influx of cash, or better spending of available funds.

 

[Shadey]

Like Mark says it's 1st july.. i for one aint panicking about the transfer market, it's all happening behind closed doors!

 

[FoxForceFive]

[quote author=Shadey link=topic=42898.msg1358492#msg1358492 date=1309544259]
Like Mark says it's 1st july.. i for one aint panicking about the transfer market, it's all happening behind closed doors!
[/quote]

As it should be.

 

[Modo]

[quote author=Shadey link=topic=42898.msg1358492#msg1358492 date=1309544259]
Like Mark says it's 1st july.. i for one aint panicking about the transfer market, it's all happening behind closed doors!
[/quote]
I really want to believe that it's true but how come the potential transfers of Downing, Adam, Doni, Henderson etc weren't behind closed doors?

 

[Gary25]

[quote author=Modo link=topic=42898.msg1358522#msg1358522 date=1309551284]
[quote author=Shadey link=topic=42898.msg1358492#msg1358492 date=1309544259]
Like Mark says it's 1st july.. i for one aint panicking about the transfer market, it's all happening behind closed doors!
[/quote]
I really want to believe that it's true but how come the potential transfers of Downing, Adam, Doni, Henderson etc weren't behind closed doors?
[/quote]

Because transfers can be completed before 1st July. People still haven't caught on to this.

As for this "we need to be sensible nonsense", where exactly has being sensible got any of Europes top Clubs over the years? With the exception of Barcelona who are a one-off with bringing through home grown talent and ruling European football.

Man U and Chelsea have spent shitloads of money, and it's no coincidence that they've been the two dominant forces in the last 6 years. We need to spend big or else risk being also rans, which maybe we already are.

At the end of the day, NESV or whatever you call them took control of LFC and with that came big expectations - overhaul the squad. Lets not forget we've already lost key players in the last few years - Alonso, Hyypia, Mascherano, Benayoun etc.
We need to rebuild the squad, and preferably as soon as possible which is what Kenny had hoped for. Pre-season starts next week and the only player who we've signed so far is a 20 year old who none of really wanted for £16 million but we're reluctant to buy Adam and Enrique, two players we could get for the same money we paid for Henderson alone.

 

[HC]

Doni? was that ever actually on? likewise Downing, has anyone from either club actually said this has ever been on?

 

[HC]

Nobody wanted Henderson? What does that matter, we clearly did and the lad is talented and ergo worth £16m.

You cant have it both ways - some would say we took the initiative and bought a rising star. . . It's funny how its not the same way when we didn't get Wickham, a player we have never found out we were defo in for.

 

[Modo]

[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=42898.msg1358534#msg1358534 date=1309552945]
Doni? was that ever actually on? likewise Downing, has anyone from either club actually said this has ever been on?
[/quote]

Closed doors for me is when Man U bought Hernandez. Transfer from nowhere.
We've got too many moles it seems.

 

[Ryan]

Whilst I do have some sympathy for what Mark's saying, I think I might fucking eKill him if he uses what date/month we're inasmuch an excuse one more time.

'Its only june'
'Its only July 1st'

Fact is that we go back to pre-season on Monday mate and have signed 1 of the 400 we players we probably need.

 

[Modo]

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42898.msg1358540#msg1358540 date=1309553266]
Whilst I do have some sympathy for what Mark's saying, I think I might fucking eKill him if he uses what date/month we're inasmuch an excuse one more time.

'Its only june'
'Its only July 1st'

Fact is that we go back to pre-season on Monday mate and have signed 1 of the 400 we players we probably need.
[/quote]
You're being hysterical. Jesus it's only July 1st, the international market hasn't opened yet.
Sure, Man U got De Gea but etc etc etc...
Truth is we could have signed foreign players before the market opened and we didn't.

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=Modo link=topic=42898.msg1358522#msg1358522 date=1309551284]
[quote author=Shadey link=topic=42898.msg1358492#msg1358492 date=1309544259]
Like Mark says it's 1st july.. i for one aint panicking about the transfer market, it's all happening behind closed doors!
[/quote]
I really want to believe that it's true but how come the potential transfers of Downing, Adam, Doni, Henderson etc weren't behind closed doors?
[/quote]

What? So potential (also known as speculative) moves for the above players haven't gone through? We've signed one of them, the one no one knew about, go figure. Maybe there's a reason we haven't signed the others. As for Adam, well it's been going on since January anyway and every knows their chairman is playing hardball.

As for starting training next week, everyone is, it's not really that unusual to start the first couple of weeks without completing most of your Summer business. Surely there's a reason why alot of dealings are done late on in the window.

I appreciate the concerns lads, I do, on the back of how we've gone about things in recent years, but there's a long way to go yet and it's early days, there's also holidays and all the other crap to contend with. At the end of the day, only United out of all the big clubs, and us, have bought anyone and three of those four transfers between the two clubs have been Premiership based.

 

[HC]

Modo, you're argument falls flat when it relies upon a single signing.

What about their new keeper and ashley young and jones? They were the complete opposite to the cloak and dagger signing you describe Hernandez as.

We had ming last summer - level pegging, in the in-house stakes?

Further more, we've got a great big cunting wage bill, half-filled with dross; like it or not, a lot of that dross needs to be shipped out before further cost is added.

it will take time.

 

[Modo]

[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=42898.msg1358549#msg1358549 date=1309555556]
Modo, you're argument falls flat when it relies upon a single signing.

What about their new keeper and ashley young and jones? They were the complete opposite to the cloak and dagger signing you describe Hernandez as.

We had ming last summer - level pegging, in the in-house stakes?

Further more, we've got a great big cunting wage bill, half-filled with dross; like it or not, a lot of that dross needs to be shipped out before further cost is added.

it will take time.
[/quote]

I agree but I was questioning what closed doors really meant. 'Cause IMO nothing has been done behind closed doors so far.
I never claimed that Man U was better than us at dealing with players I just used Hernandez as an example.
I'm just saying I don't see us doing any surprise deals. It's funny that some are claiming that nothing official has been said regarding Downing and Doni, but I mean even our best insider here Mark MC claimed that we were after him.

 

[Mistadobalina]

This has been going on for 6 months now. Bored now. Let's just buy someone better instead.

 

[ankreds]

There's not many players in the world that can do what adam can so very naturally...your xavis, iniestas, fabregas etc can do it but those players are hard to come by...I would take adam in a heartbeat.

 

[Fabio]

I honestly reckon we could be weighing up options and might get Diego instead

 

[King Binny]

BLACKPOOL skipper Charlie Adam will be punching his weight when the new season starts – whether it is with the Seasiders or back in the Premier League with Liverpool.

Adam has enlisted the aid of English light-middleweight champion Brian Rose, who has put him through a rigorous training regime that includes lacing up the boxing gloves to work on the pads.

The sessions also include circuit training and work to boost upper-body power.

Though Adam freely talked about his boxing-style fitness work over the past two weeks in the FX Leisure gym in Poulton, he kept his guard up about that much talked-about move to Liverpool.

Adam said: “I go back to Blackpool on Monday and that’s the way it is.

“Everybody knows the situation – the club have met with Liverpool but that’s as far as it has gone.

“I had a conversation with the chairman (Karl Oyston) but that will remain private.

“It’s important that we keep everything in-house – whatever happens will happen.”

Adam is determined to be in excellent physical shape for the new season and Rose, due to defend his English title in October, says he has found a willing ‘pupil’.

“Charlie enjoys boxing and obviously that is good for your upper body strength and it’s a brilliant way to get fit as well,” Rose said. “It’s a different kind of fitness, to running round a pitch and kicking a ball. Charlie wanted to mix his training up.”

 

[Gary25]

[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=42898.msg1358535#msg1358535 date=1309553060]
Nobody wanted Henderson? What does that matter, we clearly did and the lad is talented and ergo worth £16m.

You cant have it both ways - some would say we took the initiative and bought a rising star. . . It's funny how its not the same way when we didn't get Wickham, a player we have never found out we were defo in for.
[/quote]

Was he on your list of players you wanted us to sign this summer? He wasn't on mine anyway, and many other Liverpool fans i know didn't even mention him as a possible signing.

I think Henderson's a tidy player but he's never really stood out when i've watched him and couldn't believe we paid £16 million for him and trebled his wages for some bizarre reason.
Shouldn't we have given him a season on a lower wage, see how he performs then think about giving him a pay rise? Throwing £60,000 a week at him when he's only 20 and proved fuck all do date while at the same time not paying out an extra million or two for Adam and Enrique, players we actually need is fucking dumb tactics in my view.

 

[OLD_Lewy]

im fuckin bored of this one now, someone start a rumour that i can get excited about, i dont care if there's no truth in it

 

[SaintGeorge67]

erm... Roger Moore is going to buy out the yanks.

 

[OLD_Lewy]

i like it, gimmee a minute while i phone up some tabloid papers with the story, i may even throw in some witness accounts of how john henry and roger moore started an illicit relationship over their love for john steed in the avengers

 

[Spionkop69]

If we want him, we will get him. Too many people getting to het up over this.

 

[Asbo]

I want him and we will get him, he'll sign a pre contract in Janurary and Blackpool can go Fuck themselves.

 

[Avmenon]

I can live with that.