I honestly have NO clue how Manure came out of that with a win. Bar 25 minutes in the 2nd half, they were played off the park.
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[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=38938.msg1055263#msg1055263 date=1266356518]
I honestly have NO clue how Manure came out of that with a win. Bar 25 minutes in the 2nd half, they were played off the park.
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Same old story.. people keep on saying they're shit.. or they're not the same as last year.. or that they have an average team.. or the likes Scholes and Giggs are well past it.. but yet, they keep on winning.. and winning.
Why is that?
I honestly have NO clue how Manure came out of that with a win. Bar 25 minutes in the 2nd half, they were played off the park.
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Same old story.. people keep on saying they're shit.. or they're not the same as last year.. or that they have an average team.. or the likes Scholes and Giggs are well past it.. but yet, they keep on winning.. and winning.
Why is that?
[quote author=keniget link=topic=38938.msg1055267#msg1055267 date=1266356810]
How were United played off the park?
Most of Milan's opportunities came from United mistakes, which they then proceeded to squander. It's not like they were playing brilliantly either.
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They weren't played off the park - not by a long shot.
I didn't think either team was impressive at all; Milan actually looked the more solid but couldn't deal with the attacking moments that the mancs put together. Bloody Rooney could still take them to a double - he's playing that well.
How were United played off the park?
Most of Milan's opportunities came from United mistakes, which they then proceeded to squander. It's not like they were playing brilliantly either.
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They weren't played off the park - not by a long shot.
I didn't think either team was impressive at all; Milan actually looked the more solid but couldn't deal with the attacking moments that the mancs put together. Bloody Rooney could still take them to a double - he's playing that well.
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[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=38938.msg1055263#msg1055263 date=1266356518]
I honestly have NO clue how Manure came out of that with a win. Bar 25 minutes in the 2nd half, they were played off the park.
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Same old story.. people keep on saying they're shit.. or they're not the same as last year.. or that they have an average team.. or the likes Scholes and Giggs are well past it.. but yet, they keep on winning.. and winning.
Why is that?
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Belief, a bone-deep knowledge that they're winners and that everything will come right in the end. It's impossible to overstate how important that is. Shanks knew, and established it within LFC, and our glory years grew out of that. It's not for nothing that Ginsoak is a self-confessed admirer of the great man and his methods.
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=38938.msg1055263#msg1055263 date=1266356518]
I honestly have NO clue how Manure came out of that with a win. Bar 25 minutes in the 2nd half, they were played off the park.
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Same old story.. people keep on saying they're shit.. or they're not the same as last year.. or that they have an average team.. or the likes Scholes and Giggs are well past it.. but yet, they keep on winning.. and winning.
Why is that?
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Belief, a bone-deep knowledge that they're winners and that everything will come right in the end. It's impossible to overstate how important that is. Shanks knew, and established it within LFC, and our glory years grew out of that. It's not for nothing that Ginsoak is a self-confessed admirer of the great man and his methods.
The worst thing is, the ref was in his right to disallow Stokes goal. Shawcross put his hand on Givens shoulder. Stupid if you ask me, I think he would have beaten him if he hadnt raised his arm.
The red card is another matter, jeezees.
Still, thats 2 points dropped for City. And against 10 men.
The red card is another matter, jeezees.
Still, thats 2 points dropped for City. And against 10 men.
Watched the Lyon-Real game - not bad. Lyon defended and countered very cleverly, while Real still looked like a bunch of superstars too egotistical to play as a team. I'd expect Real to dig out a victory at home, but there's no way they'll win the CL this year.
A few things:
- That's why Carrick doesn't play for England. Good teams, actually good players, can play around him at ease. Far too many times in that first half a few Milan players formed neat triangles around him in the middle of the pitch and got into the space between him and the back four. Hargreaves and Barry aren't as good on the ball as him, but they're much more assured.
- The difference between players that can play at the top level and those that can't - Rooney and Huntelaar. The latter is just not top class, he's not even close. Surely he touched the ball less often than anyone else on the ground? At that level, you've either got to find the ball, make a difference on thr scoresheet, or find yourself space. He did nothing, and was easily held by Evans and Ferdinand. Rooney on the other hand had a stinker, and still scored 2.
- If this wasn't a World Cup year, Shawcross would be in the England team.
- That's why Carrick doesn't play for England. Good teams, actually good players, can play around him at ease. Far too many times in that first half a few Milan players formed neat triangles around him in the middle of the pitch and got into the space between him and the back four. Hargreaves and Barry aren't as good on the ball as him, but they're much more assured.
- The difference between players that can play at the top level and those that can't - Rooney and Huntelaar. The latter is just not top class, he's not even close. Surely he touched the ball less often than anyone else on the ground? At that level, you've either got to find the ball, make a difference on thr scoresheet, or find yourself space. He did nothing, and was easily held by Evans and Ferdinand. Rooney on the other hand had a stinker, and still scored 2.
- If this wasn't a World Cup year, Shawcross would be in the England team.
I'm talking to myself here, but anyway...
that's twice in big games (I think away to Chelsea was the other one) that United have played without someone on the left wing or left midfield. One up front, Nani on the right, and a dimaond in midfield. Interesting tactics from Ferguson that asks an awful lot of Evra.
that's twice in big games (I think away to Chelsea was the other one) that United have played without someone on the left wing or left midfield. One up front, Nani on the right, and a dimaond in midfield. Interesting tactics from Ferguson that asks an awful lot of Evra.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=38938.msg1055297#msg1055297 date=1266360928]
I'm talking to myself here, but anyway...
that's twice in big games (I think away to Chelsea was the other one) that United have played without someone on the left wing or left midfield. One up front, Nani on the right, and a dimaond in midfield. Interesting tactics from Ferguson that asks an awful lot of Evra.
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Good spot and it's actually the case as Park was basically given a free role tonight.
I think Evra's one player capable of having that responsibility.
In my view he's the best left back in world football and United's 2nd best player.
I'm talking to myself here, but anyway...
that's twice in big games (I think away to Chelsea was the other one) that United have played without someone on the left wing or left midfield. One up front, Nani on the right, and a dimaond in midfield. Interesting tactics from Ferguson that asks an awful lot of Evra.
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Good spot and it's actually the case as Park was basically given a free role tonight.
I think Evra's one player capable of having that responsibility.
In my view he's the best left back in world football and United's 2nd best player.
Another thing from that game is Fletcher's performance, thought he was outstanding.
He's surely the most under-rated player about. He's not got one particularly great weapon but in his own way he has a big influence for United and seems to revel in the big games.
Unrecognisable to the feeble, mediocre player 4 or 5 years ago.
He's surely the most under-rated player about. He's not got one particularly great weapon but in his own way he has a big influence for United and seems to revel in the big games.
Unrecognisable to the feeble, mediocre player 4 or 5 years ago.
Btw not sure who's City's game in hand is against.
They go the Bridge saturday week though, hopefully Chelsea will do us a favour and get the 3 points.
Very positive that they only got a point tonight, are they starting to crack? 😀
They go the Bridge saturday week though, hopefully Chelsea will do us a favour and get the 3 points.
Very positive that they only got a point tonight, are they starting to crack? 😀
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Another thing from that game is Fletcher's performance, thought he was outstanding.
He's surely the most under-rated player about. He's not got one particularly great weapon but in his own way he has a big influence for United and seems to revel in the big games.
Unrecognisable to the feeble, mediocre player 4 or 5 years ago.
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He was marvellous. He's one of these players that never has a bad game either.
Although, the time he was gievn to pick Rooney out for the 3rd goal was outrageous.
Another thing from that game is Fletcher's performance, thought he was outstanding.
He's surely the most under-rated player about. He's not got one particularly great weapon but in his own way he has a big influence for United and seems to revel in the big games.
Unrecognisable to the feeble, mediocre player 4 or 5 years ago.
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He was marvellous. He's one of these players that never has a bad game either.
Although, the time he was gievn to pick Rooney out for the 3rd goal was outrageous.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=38938.msg1055280#msg1055280 date=1266358751]
- The difference between players that can play at the top level and those that can't - Rooney and Huntelaar. The latter is just not top class, he's not even close. Surely he touched the ball less often than anyone else on the ground? At that level, you've either got to find the ball, make a difference on thr scoresheet, or find yourself space. He did nothing, and was easily held by Evans and Ferdinand. Rooney on the other hand had a stinker, and still scored 2. [/quote]
Rooney is world class, so comparing the two is pointless.
However, Huntelaar did play ok. He struggled to get the ball but he should have scored (as should have Inzaghi tbh) and Rio/Evans didn't handle anyone easily ... I thought the United back 4 was (is?) their weakest link.
- The difference between players that can play at the top level and those that can't - Rooney and Huntelaar. The latter is just not top class, he's not even close. Surely he touched the ball less often than anyone else on the ground? At that level, you've either got to find the ball, make a difference on thr scoresheet, or find yourself space. He did nothing, and was easily held by Evans and Ferdinand. Rooney on the other hand had a stinker, and still scored 2. [/quote]
Rooney is world class, so comparing the two is pointless.
However, Huntelaar did play ok. He struggled to get the ball but he should have scored (as should have Inzaghi tbh) and Rio/Evans didn't handle anyone easily ... I thought the United back 4 was (is?) their weakest link.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=38938.msg1055267#msg1055267 date=1266356810]
How were United played off the park?
Most of Milan's opportunities came from United mistakes, which they then proceeded to squander. It's not like they were playing brilliantly either.
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Bar Manure's goals (and Scholes' was pure fluke) , they didn't really ahve any threatening chances. I cannot remember Dida making a difficult save.
On the other hand, Van Der Sar was brilliant for Pirlo and Ronaldinho's shots. He should have also been made to make saves on HUntelaar & Pippo's chances. I just think that the United made the most of their chances while Milan squandered good chances.
How were United played off the park?
Most of Milan's opportunities came from United mistakes, which they then proceeded to squander. It's not like they were playing brilliantly either.
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Bar Manure's goals (and Scholes' was pure fluke) , they didn't really ahve any threatening chances. I cannot remember Dida making a difficult save.
On the other hand, Van Der Sar was brilliant for Pirlo and Ronaldinho's shots. He should have also been made to make saves on HUntelaar & Pippo's chances. I just think that the United made the most of their chances while Milan squandered good chances.
Ok - I'll re-phrase, Milan was the better team for most of the game in my opinion and should have won.
Back to Fantasy Manager - how do you get Milan to be a better outfit next year?
For me, sign Lloris from Lyon, get Vidic from Manure and a midfielder to replace Pirlo (who I think will leave).
What did you think of Ambroisini? I didn't realize how good he was in the air ...
Back to Fantasy Manager - how do you get Milan to be a better outfit next year?
For me, sign Lloris from Lyon, get Vidic from Manure and a midfielder to replace Pirlo (who I think will leave).
What did you think of Ambroisini? I didn't realize how good he was in the air ...
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Ok - I'll re-phrase, Milan was the better team for most of the game in my opinion and should have won.
Back to Fantasy Manager - how do you get Milan to be a better outfit next year?
For me, sign Lloris from Lyon, get Vidic from Manure and a midfielder to replace Pirlo (who I think will leave).
What did you think of Ambroisini? I didn't realize how good he was in the air ...
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Agree about Lloris - he's very impressive. Good hands, brave, agile, and ice-cool: I've never seen him flap at anything.
Ok - I'll re-phrase, Milan was the better team for most of the game in my opinion and should have won.
Back to Fantasy Manager - how do you get Milan to be a better outfit next year?
For me, sign Lloris from Lyon, get Vidic from Manure and a midfielder to replace Pirlo (who I think will leave).
What did you think of Ambroisini? I didn't realize how good he was in the air ...
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Agree about Lloris - he's very impressive. Good hands, brave, agile, and ice-cool: I've never seen him flap at anything.
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[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=38938.msg1055405#msg1055405 date=1266394916]
Ok - I'll re-phrase, Milan was the better team for most of the game in my opinion and should have won.
Back to Fantasy Manager - how do you get Milan to be a better outfit next year?
For me, sign Lloris from Lyon, get Vidic from Manure and a midfielder to replace Pirlo (who I think will leave).
What did you think of Ambroisini? I didn't realize how good he was in the air ...
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Agree about Lloris - he's very impressive. Good hands, brave, agile, and ice-cool: I've never seen him flap at anything.
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Yah, he seems to be the best French keeper in some time ... And I'm sure lyon will sell for 10 mill - and when you're stuck with Dida, I think Milan would make a good investment here.
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=38938.msg1055405#msg1055405 date=1266394916]
Ok - I'll re-phrase, Milan was the better team for most of the game in my opinion and should have won.
Back to Fantasy Manager - how do you get Milan to be a better outfit next year?
For me, sign Lloris from Lyon, get Vidic from Manure and a midfielder to replace Pirlo (who I think will leave).
What did you think of Ambroisini? I didn't realize how good he was in the air ...
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Agree about Lloris - he's very impressive. Good hands, brave, agile, and ice-cool: I've never seen him flap at anything.
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Yah, he seems to be the best French keeper in some time ... And I'm sure lyon will sell for 10 mill - and when you're stuck with Dida, I think Milan would make a good investment here.
Porto -v- the Arse for one. Not sure about the rest.
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