No it doesn't, that's my point mate. There's no logic in the statement. As explained above.
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No it doesn't, that's my point mate. There's no logic in the statement. As explained above.
Nice try mate! It's a simple short sentence to explain, but, You won't answer it because you can't without contradicting yourself. I haven't misunderstood a thing my friend.
I don't think that necessarily works in practice. Players here saw Suarez earn that contract, they could have no argument in saying "he's getting this much, so I want a pay rise", because simply, no one could get close to him in terms of quality, he was one of the top three players in the World who we paid well with good reason - because he progressed and earned it under our roof.
If Cavani comes in and picks up £180k (for arguments sake) before he's kicked a ball for us, that's a completely different scenario.
I'm not that's true at all Mark. Cavani is not some unknown, he's one of the world's top strikers and is on massive wages at PSG now. I don't think he would affect the wage structure or that other players would suddenly expect to get a pay rise because a 'world star' arrives.
No need to get shirty mate. You made a simple statement you can't explain without contradicting yourself. I've told you which one over and over and you skirt around it. If you're getting frustrated, that's not my problem. Just answer the point, or dodge it yet again. You asked me to remind you how much the CL spots were worth. What point were you trying to make? And again, just to help, of the point was that it makes sense to have Cavani on big bucks and a big fee as it justifies itself because he will get us CL footy, why bother when Bony will get us the same according to
Your own post....
Good grief. How long did our other players have to renegotiate? How many contracts were up for renewal? What do you think every time someone gets a big deal everyone just queues up outside the bosses door and demands a rise. Doesn't work that way, obviously. The effect takes tome to settle in. Surely you can see that? Or do you actually think the second one gets a rise they all ask at the same time that very bloody day?
Also you said...
In fact they've been reduced even though we dramatically increased Suarez', proving the point that increasing them for the right player doesn't affect the team as a whole.
For that statement to work it would have to be a case of increasing his wages, giving it time for players to have new contracts renegotiated etc and new players come in etc too see what happens to the wage bill...
The assumption you made doesn't carry weight at all.
Well that depends on how he pans out, you have to look at the bigger picture. Cavani comes in on big wages and struggles - players are there playing out of their skins on half or a third of what he gets, what do you think the reaction will be? Also, we give Cavani a massive wedge, that becomes common knowledge, so the next "big" player coming in wants parity.
I agree we need to be ambitious, but pretending there aren't potential fallout issues, is massively naive.
Absolutely spot on.
Sorry, you're right, shouldn't be losing my rag. Not dodging anything (I don't do dodging) - if you had quoted me again then I'd have known what you were going on about.
The point I was making really couldn't be clearer, to quote you
. That isn't even close to being on the same scale when talking about CL income which is why I asked you what CL slots were worth.
I've already answered this bit (in red). Maybe you missed it. Post # 173 above. You definitely misunderstood my intent and #173 explains clearly what I was saying, as does this :
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I think it's difficult to gauge what impact the CL money has, we clearly still have a set budget for wages. Don't forget, this is the first year of the "boom" in TV money etc, it would be naive of any club to take that at face value and think they can restructure their financial setup accordingly, straight away.
So in other words you are all conjecture and assumption yet again ? Since you have nothing at all to base your theories on.
Have you not been watching what's actually going on at the club ? We are signing new players on lower salaries than outgoing players, yet this fact seemingly fails to register with you ? Bumble on with your conspiracy crap and machinations and ignore the reality, I'm done with you.
Yes but what you've said holds true of any major transfer. However if someone fails on the pitch then they are generally shipped out pretty sharpish - an example to the other players that if you don't perform to the expected level, your fee/salary indicate you should be at, then you'll be on your way.
Historically players need to prove they have reached a certain level to increase their wage demands, in stages, maybe first establishing themselves in the team then winning plaudits or international recognition, or proving themselves to be one of the key players in the team by virtue of exceptional performances. These are genuine reasons, based on their performance levels, for salary increases (ignoring increasing market norms or inflation for the moment). The arrival of a (super)star player is not a valid reason (even when negotiating the terms of their renewal contract) for asking for an increase, if you haven't met the club's targets for you, and no club is going to entertain that, their agent would be laughed out of the room.
Big players are always going to want the same slice of the cake that other similar level players will be getting in the current market. You want a player like that then be prepared because you won't be getting them on the cheap.
We have already seen clubs paying dramatically increased salaries for the top players over the past two years (United a prime example), these rises are of course based on the club's ability to pay and that is due to increased sponsorship, PL and TV money and, for some, increased income from Europe.
This additional income has clearly affected transfer fees and naturally salaries too. Liverpool have done really well to actually lower (or maintain) ours as a percentage. It should not be forgotten though that player salaries are a huge % of any club's income (@King Binny can tell us how much exactly ?), it's almost always (for PL teams at least) well over 50%, so if the club's income is going through a dramatic rise it stands to good reason they can now afford to pay higher salaries, even though they may not.
You're done with it because you're nuts mate. What conspiracy theory? It's common sense. You seriously think one player gets a rise and it has an instantaneous effect on everyone else's salaries if they moan straight away? Seriously? What's the point in anyone having a contract? How do you seriously think a club can be run like that. Think before you post. You just throw your toys out when you've been owned. If you're gonna get strong with opinions, that's great as I love a bit if debate, but god man, take it on the chin when you trip up.
Conspiracy Theory : http://sixcrazyminutes.com/index.php?threads/cavani.52486/page-4#post-1165315
I've answered every question you threw at me (when you eventually managed to elucidate them) - which you then ignore/have no response to.
I've given you facts (actual salaries/reduced salaries) and you again either come back with more unproven theories or you switch tack. I didn't trip up, I'm just stepping over the idiot laying on the path.
Okay firstly, 2.5 million is a lot of money right? Of course it is. So unless your just making a pointless and irrelevant comparison with the number 2.5 million and how much CL footy is worth, surely the point is that 2.5 million isn't that much compared to what the CL brings in. In other words, it's worth paying that 2.5 if it brings us CL footy.
But you then also say that Bony would get us CL footy anyway.
Is the long haired Skeletor bastard signing or not....
Yet another bloody silly season where we have to wait til the Yellow fest (Transfer Deadline Day) on Skysports News to see if we will spend 3 gazillion pounds only for the fax machine to not work at the 11th hour I suspect....
Give me strength
Yet another bloody silly season where we have to wait til the Yellow fest (Transfer Deadline Day) on Skysports News to see if we will spend 3 gazillion pounds only for the fax machine to not work at the 11th hour I suspect....
Give me strength
Haha you're losing the plot and getting quotes mixed up now. Where is the conspiracy theory in regards to the point we were discussing? We were discussing how you think a pay rise for a few months that has no time to take effect with regards to others being able to renegotiate contracts etc, can prove that one player can have a huge pay rise without others pushing for more. It's loony logic.
You've answered nothing. You just keep tripping yourself up. I don't mind, I quite enjoy debate, and I'm not the one getting wound up, because I'm not the one not making sense.
You're getting wound up mate and not thinking. Take a breather.
This is about where I'm at. CBA to actually figure it out.
Careful which side you choose sister. I'll be watching you from now...
Sleep with one eye open.
7 pages of fuck all.
A few comments about his mate Rafa and we're there I think.
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