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I saw Litmanen play for Finland against Sweden last year and he was easily MoM (a friendly but still) ...no speed at all but always playing the right pass, always in movement so he could recieve a pass and imo Aquilani reminds me of him. With more pace (of course), a better header and better on long passes. We don´t need another dog of war, we need some creativity so the rest of the team can perform better! Yossi isn´t big but we are "ok", aren´t we? Take a look at Arsenals midfield.

He´ll be a success!
 
Fabregas is quicker and tougher than Aquilani, not to mention miles better

And everyone they play there is better than Lucarse

So what was your point? We have a better DM?

Maybe
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38446.msg1033607#msg1033607 date=1263469881]
Fabregas is quicker and tougher than Aquilani, not to mention miles better

And everyone they play there is better than Lucarse

So what was your point? We have a better DM?

Maybe
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I don't really see where this notion has come from that he isn't quick. In what sense? You've already made your mind up over Maxi over the same thing. Garcia wasn't quick (if quick means lightning fast), but his movement, and from what I've seen, the movement of Aquilani and Maxi, is quick. Yeah we need a quick player who's willing to run at defenders and put them on the back foot, but we need movement and players who are willing to run into space and pass and move above ANYTHING.
 
Aquilani isn't quick
Maxi is even less quick. Ie slow
Lucarse is slow
Kuyt is slow
Riera is slow
Insua is slow

Our team has too many slow players.

Some are slow and extremely shit, too.

Hurray!
 
This is what I posted in the match thread:

I think tonight has been interesting in terms of Aquilani. He clearly prefers the one touch passing, flicks and what not closer to goal. He clearly needs to be in a team that is playing possession football and this season we have been anything but.

I can see what Rafa thought he was going to get out of him, but as Aquilani himself said in a rather understated manner, he can't quite do the playmaker role and as we've seen tonight, just doesn't really seem comfortable in that role. Ironically, I think Aquilani would be great alongside Alonso.
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Alonso was quite a steely player and his defensive play was very much underrated (particularly during his 'shit' period).

We need to play a 4-3-3 with Masher, Aquilani and Gerrard. If that doesn't work, we need a new midfielder - anyone know if there is a young Senna knocking about?
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38446.msg1033613#msg1033613 date=1263470224]
Aquilani isn't quick
Maxi is even less quick. Ie slow
Lucarse is slow
Kuyt is slow
Riera is slow
Insua is slow

Our team has too many slow players.

Some are slow and extremely shit, too.

Hurray!
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It's not about being lightning quick though. Fabregas isn't quick in that sense of the word, he's mobile and shows good movement and acceleration on and off the ball, that's all you need, and we've potentially got that at least with these two, Yossi, Gerrard and Torres. I havent seen Maxi play for a while but his goal at Anfield last season showed how technical ability and good movement can more than compensate for a minor lack of pace. Riera, aside from his shit decision making at least gets around his lack of speed by having good technical ability and being a good passer of the ball and generally showing good movement. I get the point re some of the others though, we are too static and some players are just so horribly one footed and short on technical ability.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38446.msg1033613#msg1033613 date=1263470224]
Aquilani isn't quick
Maxi is even less quick. Ie slow
Lucarse is slow
Kuyt is slow
Riera is slow
Insua is slow

Our team has too many slow players.

Some are slow and extremely shit, too.

Hurray!
[/quote]

My point was: We need someone who can bring other players into the game and make them better and that Arsenals midfield are quite lightweight. Yes we need pace but what do we do with pace if we don´t have a player who can pass?
 
[quote author=Ossi link=topic=38446.msg1033620#msg1033620 date=1263470688]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38446.msg1033613#msg1033613 date=1263470224]
Aquilani isn't quick
Maxi is even less quick. Ie slow
Lucarse is slow
Kuyt is slow
Riera is slow
Insua is slow

Our team has too many slow players.

Some are slow and extremely shit, too.

Hurray!
[/quote]

My point was: We need someone who can bring other players into the game and make them better and that Arsenals midfield are quite lightweight. Yes we need pace but what do we do with pace if we don´t have a player who can pass?
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Babel's got all the pace in the World, but the decision making, first touch and passing ability of a one legged Djimi Traore.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38446.msg1033622#msg1033622 date=1263470789]
Gerrard can pass
Casper can pass

(Forwards)


[/quote]

Ok, I stand corrected. All we need is pace.
Marlon Harewood perhaps.
 
We lack any (remotely) decent players out wide the way Rafa selects his team and haven't a single alternative to Torres up front. That's our main problem. The midfield (whoever plays) has to play miles too narrow due to Benayoun and Kuyt continually coming inside - we're so predictable in possession. Can anyone name the last time either Kuyt or our left midfielder beat his man out wide and whipped in a cross?

Unfortunately, good as he is, Maxi won't change our chronic lack of width. He simply has to replace the woeful Kuyt though, even if it's simply to give us an "attacking" outlet on the right.

We also have not a single player (bar perhaps Pacheco should he get the chance) who can come off the bench and change a game. Babel maybe once could have been called an impact player, but he's long ago imploded.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38446.msg1033607#msg1033607 date=1263469881]
Fabregas is quicker and tougher than Aquilani, not to mention miles better

And everyone they play there is better than Lucarse

So what was your point? We have a better DM?

Maybe
[/quote]
I can assure you I've seen Denilson, Song and Diaby play a lot worse than Lucas. Lucas is mostly mediocre but so are most of the Arsenal-youngsters in their central midfield.
 
I really rate Diaby. Think he will be a cracking player. Strong as an ox, fast and likes to get forward.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=38446.msg1033615#msg1033615 date=1263470329]
This is what I posted in the match thread:

I think tonight has been interesting in terms of Aquilani. He clearly prefers the one touch passing, flicks and what not closer to goal. He clearly needs to be in a team that is playing possession football and this season we have been anything but.

I can see what Rafa thought he was going to get out of him, but as Aquilani himself said in a rather understated manner, he can't quite do the playmaker role and as we've seen tonight, just doesn't really seem comfortable in that role. Ironically, I think Aquilani would be great alongside Alonso.
Click to expand...

Alonso was quite a steely player and his defensive play was very much underrated (particularly during his 'shit' period).

We need to play a 4-3-3 with Masher, Aquilani and Gerrard. If that doesn't work, we need a new midfielder - anyone know if there is a young Senna knocking about?
[/quote]

Alonso didn't get enough credit for his tackling. He was excellent at winning the ball back too by nicking it off an attacker. Yeah he turned like milk at times but when facing the opposition is was brave and tough. Last season alone opposing teams had about 5 people red carded for fouls on him alone.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=38446.msg1033683#msg1033683 date=1263474291]
I would have Denilson, Song and Diaby over Lucas any day of the week.


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I wouldn't. It's like swapping meh for meh. Wouldn't take us forward at all.
 
Well, I think Denilson and Song would be meh for meh. Except for the slow running, constant fouls and backwards/sideways passing.
But Diaby would be a step up.
 
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=38446.msg1033678#msg1033678 date=1263473817]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38446.msg1033607#msg1033607 date=1263469881]
Fabregas is quicker and tougher than Aquilani, not to mention miles better

And everyone they play there is better than Lucarse

So what was your point? We have a better DM?

Maybe
[/quote]
I can assure you I've seen Denilson, Song and Diaby play a lot worse than Lucas. Lucas is mostly mediocre but so are most of the Arsenal-youngsters in their central midfield.
[/quote]

Ludicrous post.

All three of them are better than Lucas.
Song and Diaby by some margin too, and both are younger than Lucas too, I think.
 
[quote author=Stu link=topic=38446.msg1033739#msg1033739 date=1263476851]
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=38446.msg1033678#msg1033678 date=1263473817]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38446.msg1033607#msg1033607 date=1263469881]
Fabregas is quicker and tougher than Aquilani, not to mention miles better

And everyone they play there is better than Lucarse

So what was your point? We have a better DM?

Maybe
[/quote]
I can assure you I've seen Denilson, Song and Diaby play a lot worse than Lucas. Lucas is mostly mediocre but so are most of the Arsenal-youngsters in their central midfield.
[/quote]

Ludicrous post.

All three of them are better than Lucas.
Song and Diaby by some margin too, and both are younger than Lucas too, I think.
[/quote]
Most Arsenal fans I know think even less of Denilson than what we do of Lucas.

I've seen enough of them to know that they wouldn't take us forward at this point. Diaby plays very well in every 3rd or 4th game for them but is incredibly bad whenever he's bad. Making a player like Lucas look like Beckenbauer.
 
I think Aquilani would be better utilized further up the pitch. I know Gerrard and Torres are arguably the best forward partnership in the league but we need to shake things up and I think Aquilani could shine in Gerrards position. Last night he was the only one who looked like being able to provide an incisive pass in the final 1/3. Before he came here I was excited by the YouTube clips because he seemed very adept at doing just that and I felt he was just what we needed. If we swapped Aquilani and Gerrard around we could have someone in midfield that is a) a playmaker and b) good in the tackle and break play up. Both of which Aquilani is not very good at (by his own admission).
I was the one who referred to him as the midfield Morientes beause i was fucking pissed off with him for giving the ball away at the time. Both came here with a big reputation and Morientes showed flashes of brilliance and so has Aquilani so far. We all know how Morientes ended up though and I just hope Aquilani doesn’t go down the same path.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38446.msg1033514#msg1033514 date=1263464182]
'Worst signing of the Summer - Number 1'
'The Midfield Morientes'

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I've been quietly saving that one for Maxi, actually. Hoping to be wrong.
 
He looked much better at times yesterday. He probably needs people playing well around him to be most efective.

Sadly what we need now is someone to be good when everyone around them is wank.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38446.msg1033613#msg1033613 date=1263470224]
Aquilani isn't quick
Maxi is even less quick. Ie slow
Lucarse is slow
Kuyt is slow
Riera is slow
Insua is slow

Our team has too many slow players.

Some are slow and extremely shit, too.

Hurray!
[/quote]

Your knowledge of the game is like a baby still learning how to suck his thumb. And you're sucking yours which was in your arsehole earlier.
 
[quote author=Roger REDerer link=topic=38446.msg1034068#msg1034068 date=1263490390]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38446.msg1033613#msg1033613 date=1263470224]
Aquilani isn't quick
Maxi is even less quick. Ie slow
Lucarse is slow
Kuyt is slow
Riera is slow
Insua is slow

Our team has too many slow players.

Some are slow and extremely shit, too.

Hurray!
[/quote]

Your knowledge of the game is like a baby still learning how to suck his thumb. And you're sucking yours which was in your arsehole earlier.

[/quote]

extraordinary....
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38446.msg1033613#msg1033613 date=1263470224]
Aquilani isn't quick
Maxi is even less quick. Ie slow
Lucarse is slow
Kuyt is slow
Riera is slow
Insua is slow

Our team has too many slow players.

Some are slow and extremely shit, too.

Hurray!
[/quote]

Your insight into the finer points of the game are astounding.
 
[quote author=Cerberus link=topic=38446.msg1033778#msg1033778 date=1263479056]
I think Aquilani would be better utilized further up the pitch. I know Gerrard and Torres are arguably the best forward partnership in the league but we need to shake things up and I think Aquilani could shine in Gerrards position. Last night he was the only one who looked like being able to provide an incisive pass in the final 1/3. Before he came here I was excited by the YouTube clips because he seemed very adept at doing just that and I felt he was just what we needed. If we swapped Aquilani and Gerrard around we could have someone in midfield that is a) a playmaker and b) good in the tackle and break play up. Both of which Aquilani is not very good at (by his own admission).
I was the one who referred to him as the midfield Morientes beause i was fucking pissed off with him for giving the ball away at the time. Both came here with a big reputation and Morientes showed flashes of brilliance and so has Aquilani so far. We all know how Morientes ended up though and I just hope Aquilani doesn’t go down the same path.

[/quote]

Good idea, I like it! What would Gerrard think about that considering he seems a bit stingy these days.
 
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