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He's being written off already which is grossly unfair;
- He's just arrived into a new country, new language, new football, etc;
- Into a team which can't find it's arse with both hands
- Has a manager who waits for him to get fit by not playing him
- Partnered by Lucas
- Had fuck all attacking options around him.
One or two of them would be enough but 5? He isn't the miracle worker we need him to be.
Depressing night aside, there were some moments of real quality from him.
- He's just arrived into a new country, new language, new football, etc;
- Into a team which can't find it's arse with both hands
- Has a manager who waits for him to get fit by not playing him
- Partnered by Lucas
- Had fuck all attacking options around him.
One or two of them would be enough but 5? He isn't the miracle worker we need him to be.
Depressing night aside, there were some moments of real quality from him.
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[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38446.msg1033510#msg1033510 date=1263464008]
He's being written off already which is grossly unfair;
- He's just arrived into a new country, new language, new football, etc;
- Into a team which can't find it's arse with both hands
- Has a manager who waits for him to get fit by not playing him
- Partnered by Lucas
- Had fuck all attacking options around him.
One or two of them would be enough but 5? He isn't the miracle worker we need him to be.
Depressing night aside, there were some moments of real quality from him.
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I agree with the above, except I thought he was poor last night. Again.
There's certainly talent in his locker but for the reasons you outlined above, I don't think we'll see much of it until next season.
He's being written off already which is grossly unfair;
- He's just arrived into a new country, new language, new football, etc;
- Into a team which can't find it's arse with both hands
- Has a manager who waits for him to get fit by not playing him
- Partnered by Lucas
- Had fuck all attacking options around him.
One or two of them would be enough but 5? He isn't the miracle worker we need him to be.
Depressing night aside, there were some moments of real quality from him.
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I agree with the above, except I thought he was poor last night. Again.
There's certainly talent in his locker but for the reasons you outlined above, I don't think we'll see much of it until next season.
Brendan?
He does have some nice touches and later on in the game he looked like he had the ability to sit, like Alonso, and play fairly accurate probing passes forward.
I thought on a few occasions he looked too clever for his own good, his team mates weren't even on the same wavelength, but there's certainly alot of promise there, he looks like he's willing to get forward beyond the play too to look for the return pass, which will be promising if Gerrard and Torres ever get a run in the team sometime soon. Despite that miss he does look fairly accomplished in the air too.
The only real issue for me is he's quite lightweight, at least in terms of I don't really see him bossing the midfield physically, and he needs to keep it simple sometimes, he presented far too many opportunities for them to hit us on the break last night by trying to be too clever at the wrong moments.
He does have some nice touches and later on in the game he looked like he had the ability to sit, like Alonso, and play fairly accurate probing passes forward.
I thought on a few occasions he looked too clever for his own good, his team mates weren't even on the same wavelength, but there's certainly alot of promise there, he looks like he's willing to get forward beyond the play too to look for the return pass, which will be promising if Gerrard and Torres ever get a run in the team sometime soon. Despite that miss he does look fairly accomplished in the air too.
The only real issue for me is he's quite lightweight, at least in terms of I don't really see him bossing the midfield physically, and he needs to keep it simple sometimes, he presented far too many opportunities for them to hit us on the break last night by trying to be too clever at the wrong moments.
He showed some clever touches, he looked up before he passed and generally it was a positive pass, he was always looking for space pointing to where he wanted the ball a couple of good long range passes to get us on moving on the counter attack.
After about the 75th minute though I started to feel we were gonna lose the game Aqua started to look a little tired and gave the ball away cheap a few times. Now of course we have to allow him these mistakes for all the reasons Squiggles mentions and hope that he is mentally strong enough to cope with it all and continue to develop
After about the 75th minute though I started to feel we were gonna lose the game Aqua started to look a little tired and gave the ball away cheap a few times. Now of course we have to allow him these mistakes for all the reasons Squiggles mentions and hope that he is mentally strong enough to cope with it all and continue to develop
Anyone who writes him off is a fool, I think he does have potential, but I also think people can have concerns about his future ability to cope with the premier league. I think we can also question the wisdom in buying a player for a key position who partly due to buying as damaged goods was always going to take at least a season to settle in.
For that I don't even think "the worst signing of the summer " tag is particularly unreasonable.
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For that I don't even think "the worst signing of the summer " tag is particularly unreasonable.
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=38446.msg1033517#msg1033517 date=1263464304]
The only real issue for me is he's quite lightweight, at least in terms of I don't really see him bossing the midfield physically, and he needs to keep it simple sometimes, he presented far too many opportunities for them to hit us on the break last night by trying to be too clever at the wrong moments.
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I thought the lightweight thing also, however he will have Mascher to do the dog work and bring some presence into the midfield and I would be happy him getting the ball and looking for a positive pass.
He did however give them a few opportunities to hit us with a wayward pass or two, but as I say I thought he began to tire and so lost concentration probably.
The only real issue for me is he's quite lightweight, at least in terms of I don't really see him bossing the midfield physically, and he needs to keep it simple sometimes, he presented far too many opportunities for them to hit us on the break last night by trying to be too clever at the wrong moments.
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I thought the lightweight thing also, however he will have Mascher to do the dog work and bring some presence into the midfield and I would be happy him getting the ball and looking for a positive pass.
He did however give them a few opportunities to hit us with a wayward pass or two, but as I say I thought he began to tire and so lost concentration probably.
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=38446.msg1033517#msg1033517 date=1263464304]
The only real issue for me is he's quite lightweight, at least in terms of I don't really see him bossing the midfield physically, and he needs to keep it simple sometimes, he presented far too many opportunities for them to hit us on the break last night by trying to be too clever at the wrong moments.
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I thought the lightweight thing also, however he will have Mascher to do the dog work and bring some presence into the midfield and I would be happy him getting the ball and looking for a positive pass.
He did however give them a few opportunities to hit us with a wayward pass or two, but as I say I thought he began to tire and so lost concentration probably.
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Yeah fair do's, I thought that too, re tiredness. It was promising, maybe he could play the Gerrard role occasionally, at least as things stand with injury. On a side note, I thought Yossi had a fucking nightmare.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=38446.msg1033517#msg1033517 date=1263464304]
The only real issue for me is he's quite lightweight, at least in terms of I don't really see him bossing the midfield physically, and he needs to keep it simple sometimes, he presented far too many opportunities for them to hit us on the break last night by trying to be too clever at the wrong moments.
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I thought the lightweight thing also, however he will have Mascher to do the dog work and bring some presence into the midfield and I would be happy him getting the ball and looking for a positive pass.
He did however give them a few opportunities to hit us with a wayward pass or two, but as I say I thought he began to tire and so lost concentration probably.
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Yeah fair do's, I thought that too, re tiredness. It was promising, maybe he could play the Gerrard role occasionally, at least as things stand with injury. On a side note, I thought Yossi had a fucking nightmare.
I like him a lot, he's smart, plays nice little one-twos. If the players around him were on the same page he would have created two or three clear chances.
He adds more to the team and it would seem that some of the other players who aren't so creative like Kuyt were taking a leaf out of his book last night and trying things that were not so obvious. Unfortunately Kuyt and co don't have the skill to pull it off.
He adds more to the team and it would seem that some of the other players who aren't so creative like Kuyt were taking a leaf out of his book last night and trying things that were not so obvious. Unfortunately Kuyt and co don't have the skill to pull it off.
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Squiggles
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=38446.msg1033517#msg1033517 date=1263464304]
Brendan?
He does have some nice touches and later on in the game he looked like he had the ability to sit, like Alonso, and play fairly accurate probing passes forward.
I thought on a few occasions he looked too clever for his own good, his team mates weren't even on the same wavelength, but there's certainly alot of promise there, he looks like he's willing to get forward beyond the play too to look for the return pass, which will be promising if Gerrard and Torres ever get a run in the team sometime soon. Despite that miss he does look fairly accomplished in the air too.
The only real issue for me is he's quite lightweight, at least in terms of I don't really see him bossing the midfield physically, and he needs to keep it simple sometimes, he presented far too many opportunities for them to hit us on the break last night by trying to be too clever at the wrong moments.
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I agree with a lot of that. I mentioned in the match thread it would take just as long for our team to adapt to Aquilani as vice-versa. He looks the fit of an Arsenal midfielder - not one of Rafa's Liverpool. Unlike Alonso, whose outrageous passing ability could shine in any team, Aquilani will need the movement, decent touch/one ball returns of his team-mates for him to be a success here, and it will take a period of adjustment for both parties. In the future I can see him linking up wll with Yossi, Torres and Gerrard.
I've been wanting us to be more creative for years now so it seems harsh me saying that Aquilani needs to value possession more. I don't want him to turn into Lucas - but he is giving the ball away an unacceptable amount at the moment. On the back of his transfer, Ryan said: 'In Seria A, the game is always in front of you. Not so in the England', and he's spot on in this case. Players frequently steal the ball or at least disrupt him when coming from blind positions (although his boss eyes clearly don't help here). To combat that one aspect it's purely about being quicker mentally; always aware, always concious, always looking to move the ball on as quickly as possible, and then he'll start to win some favour with the fans. I don't mind him giving tbe ball away trying something in their half - Christ we need something at the moment - but needlessly giving it away is another matter.
Brendan?
He does have some nice touches and later on in the game he looked like he had the ability to sit, like Alonso, and play fairly accurate probing passes forward.
I thought on a few occasions he looked too clever for his own good, his team mates weren't even on the same wavelength, but there's certainly alot of promise there, he looks like he's willing to get forward beyond the play too to look for the return pass, which will be promising if Gerrard and Torres ever get a run in the team sometime soon. Despite that miss he does look fairly accomplished in the air too.
The only real issue for me is he's quite lightweight, at least in terms of I don't really see him bossing the midfield physically, and he needs to keep it simple sometimes, he presented far too many opportunities for them to hit us on the break last night by trying to be too clever at the wrong moments.
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I agree with a lot of that. I mentioned in the match thread it would take just as long for our team to adapt to Aquilani as vice-versa. He looks the fit of an Arsenal midfielder - not one of Rafa's Liverpool. Unlike Alonso, whose outrageous passing ability could shine in any team, Aquilani will need the movement, decent touch/one ball returns of his team-mates for him to be a success here, and it will take a period of adjustment for both parties. In the future I can see him linking up wll with Yossi, Torres and Gerrard.
I've been wanting us to be more creative for years now so it seems harsh me saying that Aquilani needs to value possession more. I don't want him to turn into Lucas - but he is giving the ball away an unacceptable amount at the moment. On the back of his transfer, Ryan said: 'In Seria A, the game is always in front of you. Not so in the England', and he's spot on in this case. Players frequently steal the ball or at least disrupt him when coming from blind positions (although his boss eyes clearly don't help here). To combat that one aspect it's purely about being quicker mentally; always aware, always concious, always looking to move the ball on as quickly as possible, and then he'll start to win some favour with the fans. I don't mind him giving tbe ball away trying something in their half - Christ we need something at the moment - but needlessly giving it away is another matter.
Yossi has a mare on the left loads, he then drifts in and tries to find the ball closer to the middle of the park its frustrating as fuck to watch and he holds onto the ball for that second too long!
Aqua hasn't shown himself to be dynamic enough to do the Gerrard role for me, he has some nice touches and vision making hims suitable for the middle of the park role keep the ball moving, keep the players on the wings involved but nothing athletic, no tackling, no sprinting at top speed with the ball at this feet. Again it's not a huge amount that I have seen so far but I have some hope, as for the rest of them fuckface's...
Aqua hasn't shown himself to be dynamic enough to do the Gerrard role for me, he has some nice touches and vision making hims suitable for the middle of the park role keep the ball moving, keep the players on the wings involved but nothing athletic, no tackling, no sprinting at top speed with the ball at this feet. Again it's not a huge amount that I have seen so far but I have some hope, as for the rest of them fuckface's...
He was no worse than anyone else last night.
There seems to be a belief that we have a shit squad all of a sudden - we don't, we have a very good squad who are all playing well below their potential and this must reflect badly on the manager and his ability to motivate them.
Reina, Johnson, Carra, Agger, Skrtel, Aquilani, Gerrard, Mascher, Benayoun, Kuyt, Torres, Rodriguez*, Riera.
13 names above, all international players, all good enough to a title challenge, all underperforming*. The fault lies solely with Rafa and if we do get rid of him the silver lining is that the new manager has a lot to work with.
Edit: Obviously Rodriguez is not underperforming (yet) but probably will given the mindset of the squad currently.
There seems to be a belief that we have a shit squad all of a sudden - we don't, we have a very good squad who are all playing well below their potential and this must reflect badly on the manager and his ability to motivate them.
Reina, Johnson, Carra, Agger, Skrtel, Aquilani, Gerrard, Mascher, Benayoun, Kuyt, Torres, Rodriguez*, Riera.
13 names above, all international players, all good enough to a title challenge, all underperforming*. The fault lies solely with Rafa and if we do get rid of him the silver lining is that the new manager has a lot to work with.
Edit: Obviously Rodriguez is not underperforming (yet) but probably will given the mindset of the squad currently.
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38446.msg1033527#msg1033527 date=1263464983]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=38446.msg1033517#msg1033517 date=1263464304]
Brendan?
He does have some nice touches and later on in the game he looked like he had the ability to sit, like Alonso, and play fairly accurate probing passes forward.
I thought on a few occasions he looked too clever for his own good, his team mates weren't even on the same wavelength, but there's certainly alot of promise there, he looks like he's willing to get forward beyond the play too to look for the return pass, which will be promising if Gerrard and Torres ever get a run in the team sometime soon. Despite that miss he does look fairly accomplished in the air too.
The only real issue for me is he's quite lightweight, at least in terms of I don't really see him bossing the midfield physically, and he needs to keep it simple sometimes, he presented far too many opportunities for them to hit us on the break last night by trying to be too clever at the wrong moments.
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I agree with a lot of that. I mentioned in the match thread it would take just as long for our team to adapt to Aquilani as vice-versa. He looks the fit of an Arsenal midfielder - not one of Rafa's Liverpool. Unlike Alonso, whose outrageous passing ability could shine in any team, Aquilani will need the movement, decent touch/one ball returns for him to be a success here, and it will take a period of adjustment for both parties. In the future I can see him linking up wll with Yossi, Torres and Gerrard.
I've been wanting us to be more creative for years now so it seems harsh me saying that Aquilani needs to value possession more. I don't want him to turn into Lucas - but he is giving the ball away an unacceptable amount at the moment. On the back of his transfer, Ryan said: 'In Seria A, the game is always in front of you. Not so in the England', and he's spot on in this case. Players frequently steal the ball or at least disrupt him when coming from blind positions (although his boss eyes clearly don't help here). To combat that one aspect it's purely about being quicker mentally; always aware, always concious, always looking to move the ball on as quickly as possible, and then he'll start to win some favour with the fans. I don't mind him giving tbe ball away trying something in their half - Christ we need something at the moment - but needlessly giving it away is another matter.
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Bang on.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=38446.msg1033517#msg1033517 date=1263464304]
Brendan?
He does have some nice touches and later on in the game he looked like he had the ability to sit, like Alonso, and play fairly accurate probing passes forward.
I thought on a few occasions he looked too clever for his own good, his team mates weren't even on the same wavelength, but there's certainly alot of promise there, he looks like he's willing to get forward beyond the play too to look for the return pass, which will be promising if Gerrard and Torres ever get a run in the team sometime soon. Despite that miss he does look fairly accomplished in the air too.
The only real issue for me is he's quite lightweight, at least in terms of I don't really see him bossing the midfield physically, and he needs to keep it simple sometimes, he presented far too many opportunities for them to hit us on the break last night by trying to be too clever at the wrong moments.
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I agree with a lot of that. I mentioned in the match thread it would take just as long for our team to adapt to Aquilani as vice-versa. He looks the fit of an Arsenal midfielder - not one of Rafa's Liverpool. Unlike Alonso, whose outrageous passing ability could shine in any team, Aquilani will need the movement, decent touch/one ball returns for him to be a success here, and it will take a period of adjustment for both parties. In the future I can see him linking up wll with Yossi, Torres and Gerrard.
I've been wanting us to be more creative for years now so it seems harsh me saying that Aquilani needs to value possession more. I don't want him to turn into Lucas - but he is giving the ball away an unacceptable amount at the moment. On the back of his transfer, Ryan said: 'In Seria A, the game is always in front of you. Not so in the England', and he's spot on in this case. Players frequently steal the ball or at least disrupt him when coming from blind positions (although his boss eyes clearly don't help here). To combat that one aspect it's purely about being quicker mentally; always aware, always concious, always looking to move the ball on as quickly as possible, and then he'll start to win some favour with the fans. I don't mind him giving tbe ball away trying something in their half - Christ we need something at the moment - but needlessly giving it away is another matter.
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Bang on.
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=38446.msg1033531#msg1033531 date=1263465133]
He was no worse than anyone else last night.
There seems to be a belief that we have a shit squad all of a sudden - we don't, we have a very good squad who are all playing well below their potential and this must reflect badly on the manager and his ability to motivate them.
Reina, Johnson, Carra, Agger, Skrtel, Aquilani, Gerrard, Mascher, Benayoun, Kuyt, Torres, Rodriguez, Riera.
13 names above, all international players, all good enough to a title challenge, all underperforming. The fault lies solely with Rafa and if we do get rid of him the silver lining is that the new manager has a lot to work with.
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Oh don't me started on this cunt, done FUCK ALL at the club! 😉
He was no worse than anyone else last night.
There seems to be a belief that we have a shit squad all of a sudden - we don't, we have a very good squad who are all playing well below their potential and this must reflect badly on the manager and his ability to motivate them.
Reina, Johnson, Carra, Agger, Skrtel, Aquilani, Gerrard, Mascher, Benayoun, Kuyt, Torres, Rodriguez, Riera.
13 names above, all international players, all good enough to a title challenge, all underperforming. The fault lies solely with Rafa and if we do get rid of him the silver lining is that the new manager has a lot to work with.
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Oh don't me started on this cunt, done FUCK ALL at the club! 😉
[quote author=Asim link=topic=38446.msg1033536#msg1033536 date=1263465302]
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=38446.msg1033531#msg1033531 date=1263465133]
He was no worse than anyone else last night.
There seems to be a belief that we have a shit squad all of a sudden - we don't, we have a very good squad who are all playing well below their potential and this must reflect badly on the manager and his ability to motivate them.
Reina, Johnson, Carra, Agger, Skrtel, Aquilani, Gerrard, Mascher, Benayoun, Kuyt, Torres, Rodriguez, Riera.
13 names above, all international players, all good enough to a title challenge, all underperforming. The fault lies solely with Rafa and if we do get rid of him the silver lining is that the new manager has a lot to work with.
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Oh don't me started on this cunt, done FUCK ALL at the club! 😉
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Yes his recent performances have been completely anonymous. It's like he's never kicked a ball for the club
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=38446.msg1033531#msg1033531 date=1263465133]
He was no worse than anyone else last night.
There seems to be a belief that we have a shit squad all of a sudden - we don't, we have a very good squad who are all playing well below their potential and this must reflect badly on the manager and his ability to motivate them.
Reina, Johnson, Carra, Agger, Skrtel, Aquilani, Gerrard, Mascher, Benayoun, Kuyt, Torres, Rodriguez, Riera.
13 names above, all international players, all good enough to a title challenge, all underperforming. The fault lies solely with Rafa and if we do get rid of him the silver lining is that the new manager has a lot to work with.
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Oh don't me started on this cunt, done FUCK ALL at the club! 😉
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Yes his recent performances have been completely anonymous. It's like he's never kicked a ball for the club
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=38446.msg1033537#msg1033537 date=1263465363]
[quote author=Asim link=topic=38446.msg1033536#msg1033536 date=1263465302]
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=38446.msg1033531#msg1033531 date=1263465133]
He was no worse than anyone else last night.
There seems to be a belief that we have a shit squad all of a sudden - we don't, we have a very good squad who are all playing well below their potential and this must reflect badly on the manager and his ability to motivate them.
Reina, Johnson, Carra, Agger, Skrtel, Aquilani, Gerrard, Mascher, Benayoun, Kuyt, Torres, Rodriguez, Riera.
13 names above, all international players, all good enough to a title challenge, all underperforming. The fault lies solely with Rafa and if we do get rid of him the silver lining is that the new manager has a lot to work with.
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Oh don't me started on this cunt, done FUCK ALL at the club! 😉
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Yes his recent performances has been completely anonymous. It's like he's never kicked a ball for the club
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Yeah but just remember, he's slow as fuck, he must be, he's 29 and he's not black.
[quote author=Asim link=topic=38446.msg1033536#msg1033536 date=1263465302]
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=38446.msg1033531#msg1033531 date=1263465133]
He was no worse than anyone else last night.
There seems to be a belief that we have a shit squad all of a sudden - we don't, we have a very good squad who are all playing well below their potential and this must reflect badly on the manager and his ability to motivate them.
Reina, Johnson, Carra, Agger, Skrtel, Aquilani, Gerrard, Mascher, Benayoun, Kuyt, Torres, Rodriguez, Riera.
13 names above, all international players, all good enough to a title challenge, all underperforming. The fault lies solely with Rafa and if we do get rid of him the silver lining is that the new manager has a lot to work with.
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Oh don't me started on this cunt, done FUCK ALL at the club! 😉
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Yes his recent performances has been completely anonymous. It's like he's never kicked a ball for the club
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Yeah but just remember, he's slow as fuck, he must be, he's 29 and he's not black.
Its the defensive side of his game thats the biggest worry for me. Alonso was a good shield and very underrated when it came to winning the ball. Aquilani seems to fancy himself a bit and doesn't work hard enough without the ball. Maybe its just a fitness issue?
He does have talent and plays nice passes, yadda yadda yadda but hes got to do it consistently. He gave the ball away an awful lot again last night.
He needs time i guess. Id like to see him play with Mascherano in the coming weeks and see how they work together.
He does have talent and plays nice passes, yadda yadda yadda but hes got to do it consistently. He gave the ball away an awful lot again last night.
He needs time i guess. Id like to see him play with Mascherano in the coming weeks and see how they work together.
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Squiggles
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[quote author=Sunny link=topic=38446.msg1033532#msg1033532 date=1263465163]
Yossi couldn't play a one-touch pass if held a gun at his head. He can't help it. He simply HAS to overplay it.
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True, but he's one of the few players alongside Gerrard who looks to play incisive through balls around the box. It's why Torres is on record saying he loves playing with him and think he should play more, etc. Aquilani's frequently bursting into box, so in that sense I can see it working.
Yossi couldn't play a one-touch pass if held a gun at his head. He can't help it. He simply HAS to overplay it.
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True, but he's one of the few players alongside Gerrard who looks to play incisive through balls around the box. It's why Torres is on record saying he loves playing with him and think he should play more, etc. Aquilani's frequently bursting into box, so in that sense I can see it working.
[quote author=Whitey85 link=topic=38446.msg1033540#msg1033540 date=1263465459]
Its the defensive side of his game thats the biggest worry for me. Alonso was a good shield and very underrated when it came to winning the ball. Aquilani seems to fancy himself a bit and doesn't work hard enough without the ball. Maybe its just a fitness issue?
He does have talent and plays nice passes, yadda yadda yadda but hes got to do it consistently. He gave the ball away an awful lot again last night.
He needs time i guess. Id like to see him play with Mascherano in the coming weeks and see how they work together.
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I don't remember him giving the ball away THAT much last night. Two or three times maybe and certainly the pace of the game surprised him at the times. Then again, I may have nodded off
Its the defensive side of his game thats the biggest worry for me. Alonso was a good shield and very underrated when it came to winning the ball. Aquilani seems to fancy himself a bit and doesn't work hard enough without the ball. Maybe its just a fitness issue?
He does have talent and plays nice passes, yadda yadda yadda but hes got to do it consistently. He gave the ball away an awful lot again last night.
He needs time i guess. Id like to see him play with Mascherano in the coming weeks and see how they work together.
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I don't remember him giving the ball away THAT much last night. Two or three times maybe and certainly the pace of the game surprised him at the times. Then again, I may have nodded off
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=38446.msg1033537#msg1033537 date=1263465363]
[quote author=Asim link=topic=38446.msg1033536#msg1033536 date=1263465302]
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=38446.msg1033531#msg1033531 date=1263465133]
He was no worse than anyone else last night.
There seems to be a belief that we have a shit squad all of a sudden - we don't, we have a very good squad who are all playing well below their potential and this must reflect badly on the manager and his ability to motivate them.
Reina, Johnson, Carra, Agger, Skrtel, Aquilani, Gerrard, Mascher, Benayoun, Kuyt, Torres, Rodriguez, Riera.
13 names above, all international players, all good enough to a title challenge, all underperforming. The fault lies solely with Rafa and if we do get rid of him the silver lining is that the new manager has a lot to work with.
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Oh don't me started on this cunt, done FUCK ALL at the club! 😉
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Yes his recent performances have been completely anonymous. It's like he's never kicked a ball for the club
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Bastards, the pair of you. I edited above but you quoted too soon.
[quote author=Asim link=topic=38446.msg1033536#msg1033536 date=1263465302]
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=38446.msg1033531#msg1033531 date=1263465133]
He was no worse than anyone else last night.
There seems to be a belief that we have a shit squad all of a sudden - we don't, we have a very good squad who are all playing well below their potential and this must reflect badly on the manager and his ability to motivate them.
Reina, Johnson, Carra, Agger, Skrtel, Aquilani, Gerrard, Mascher, Benayoun, Kuyt, Torres, Rodriguez, Riera.
13 names above, all international players, all good enough to a title challenge, all underperforming. The fault lies solely with Rafa and if we do get rid of him the silver lining is that the new manager has a lot to work with.
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Oh don't me started on this cunt, done FUCK ALL at the club! 😉
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Yes his recent performances have been completely anonymous. It's like he's never kicked a ball for the club
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Bastards, the pair of you. I edited above but you quoted too soon.
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[quote author=Pesam link=topic=38446.msg1033531#msg1033531 date=1263465133]
He was no worse than anyone else last night.
There seems to be a belief that we have a shit squad all of a sudden - we don't, we have a very good squad who are all playing well below their potential and this must reflect badly on the manager and his ability to motivate them.
Reina, Johnson, Carra, Agger, Skrtel, Aquilani, Gerrard, Mascher, Benayoun, Kuyt, Torres, Rodriguez, Riera.
13 names above, all international players, all good enough to a title challenge, all underperforming. The fault lies solely with Rafa and if we do get rid of him the silver lining is that the new manager has a lot to work with.
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Oh don't me started on this cunt, done FUCK ALL at the club! 😉
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Yes his recent performances have been completely anonymous. It's like he's never kicked a ball for the club
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Bastards, the pair of you. I edited above but you quoted too soon.
[/quote]I don't think it's fair to say Riera or Aquilani are underperforming. In fact I think Riera would do our team the world of good, but he's hardly had a look in. And aquilani can hardly be said to be underperforming after 2 league starts. Skrtel and Agger too in fact.
Kuyt, Benayoun, Torres, Gerrard are most certainly underperforming.
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[quote author=Asim link=topic=38446.msg1033536#msg1033536 date=1263465302]
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=38446.msg1033531#msg1033531 date=1263465133]
He was no worse than anyone else last night.
There seems to be a belief that we have a shit squad all of a sudden - we don't, we have a very good squad who are all playing well below their potential and this must reflect badly on the manager and his ability to motivate them.
Reina, Johnson, Carra, Agger, Skrtel, Aquilani, Gerrard, Mascher, Benayoun, Kuyt, Torres, Rodriguez, Riera.
13 names above, all international players, all good enough to a title challenge, all underperforming. The fault lies solely with Rafa and if we do get rid of him the silver lining is that the new manager has a lot to work with.
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Oh don't me started on this cunt, done FUCK ALL at the club! 😉
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Yes his recent performances have been completely anonymous. It's like he's never kicked a ball for the club
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Bastards, the pair of you. I edited above but you quoted too soon.
[/quote]I don't think it's fair to say Riera or Aquilani are underperforming. In fact I think Riera would do our team the world of good, but he's hardly had a look in. And aquilani can hardly be said to be underperforming after 2 league starts. Skrtel and Agger too in fact.
Kuyt, Benayoun, Torres, Gerrard are most certainly underperforming.
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[quote author=Pesam link=topic=38446.msg1033544#msg1033544 date=1263465711]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=38446.msg1033537#msg1033537 date=1263465363]
[quote author=Asim link=topic=38446.msg1033536#msg1033536 date=1263465302]
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=38446.msg1033531#msg1033531 date=1263465133]
He was no worse than anyone else last night.
There seems to be a belief that we have a shit squad all of a sudden - we don't, we have a very good squad who are all playing well below their potential and this must reflect badly on the manager and his ability to motivate them.
Reina, Johnson, Carra, Agger, Skrtel, Aquilani, Gerrard, Mascher, Benayoun, Kuyt, Torres, Rodriguez, Riera.
13 names above, all international players, all good enough to a title challenge, all underperforming. The fault lies solely with Rafa and if we do get rid of him the silver lining is that the new manager has a lot to work with.
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Oh don't me started on this cunt, done FUCK ALL at the club! 😉
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Yes his recent performances have been completely anonymous. It's like he's never kicked a ball for the club
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Bastards, the pair of you. I edited above but you quoted too soon.
[/quote]I don't think it's fair to say Riera or Aquilani are underperforming. In fact I think Riera would do our team the world of good, but he's hardly had a look in. And aquilani can hardly be said to be underperforming after 2 league starts. Skrtel and Agger too in fact.
Kuyt, Benayoun, Torres, Gerrard are most certainly underperforming.
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True Oncy, some are underperforming more than others and a few are still doing an ok job but the overall malaise is there for everyone to see and can only be a consequence of ineffective management.
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[quote author=Asim link=topic=38446.msg1033536#msg1033536 date=1263465302]
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=38446.msg1033531#msg1033531 date=1263465133]
He was no worse than anyone else last night.
There seems to be a belief that we have a shit squad all of a sudden - we don't, we have a very good squad who are all playing well below their potential and this must reflect badly on the manager and his ability to motivate them.
Reina, Johnson, Carra, Agger, Skrtel, Aquilani, Gerrard, Mascher, Benayoun, Kuyt, Torres, Rodriguez, Riera.
13 names above, all international players, all good enough to a title challenge, all underperforming. The fault lies solely with Rafa and if we do get rid of him the silver lining is that the new manager has a lot to work with.
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Oh don't me started on this cunt, done FUCK ALL at the club! 😉
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Yes his recent performances have been completely anonymous. It's like he's never kicked a ball for the club
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Bastards, the pair of you. I edited above but you quoted too soon.
[/quote]I don't think it's fair to say Riera or Aquilani are underperforming. In fact I think Riera would do our team the world of good, but he's hardly had a look in. And aquilani can hardly be said to be underperforming after 2 league starts. Skrtel and Agger too in fact.
Kuyt, Benayoun, Torres, Gerrard are most certainly underperforming.
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True Oncy, some are underperforming more than others and a few are still doing an ok job but the overall malaise is there for everyone to see and can only be a consequence of ineffective management.
Some seem to want to lambast him before his career even starts here but I liked what I saw of Aqualani last night. He showed good feet, intelligence and a willingness to move the ball forward. He also played 120minutes last night so his fitness must be nearly up to full strenght. I'd keep playing him week in week out, after all he was our big signing this summer. I wish he would get himself into some shooting positions too. Same goes for Gerrard. We just don't put our foot through it anymore.
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[quote author=Sunny link=topic=38446.msg1033537#msg1033537 date=1263465363]
[quote author=Asim link=topic=38446.msg1033536#msg1033536 date=1263465302]
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=38446.msg1033531#msg1033531 date=1263465133]
He was no worse than anyone else last night.
There seems to be a belief that we have a shit squad all of a sudden - we don't, we have a very good squad who are all playing well below their potential and this must reflect badly on the manager and his ability to motivate them.
Reina, Johnson, Carra, Agger, Skrtel, Aquilani, Gerrard, Mascher, Benayoun, Kuyt, Torres, Rodriguez, Riera.
13 names above, all international players, all good enough to a title challenge, all underperforming. The fault lies solely with Rafa and if we do get rid of him the silver lining is that the new manager has a lot to work with.
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Oh don't me started on this cunt, done FUCK ALL at the club! 😉
[/quote]
Yes his recent performances have been completely anonymous. It's like he's never kicked a ball for the club
[/quote]
Bastards, the pair of you. I edited above but you quoted too soon.
[/quote]I don't think it's fair to say Riera or Aquilani are underperforming. In fact I think Riera would do our team the world of good, but he's hardly had a look in. And aquilani can hardly be said to be underperforming after 2 league starts. Skrtel and Agger too in fact.
Kuyt, Benayoun, Torres, Gerrard are most certainly underperforming.
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Rafa persists in playing Yossi on the left where he is wasted, you either play him on the right or behind the striker.
He needs to forget about the Torres/Gerrard attacking formation once and for all. Other team have sussed it out now and know if you stifle Gerrard you isolate Torres who then gets more and more frustrated, they are both suffering now when he uses it.
It's a simple game and we just need to get back to basics and play a 442 where everyone knows their role and the role that everyone else is meant to be playing.
We looked fine against Wigan when Kuyt and N'gog played as a front two, N'gog scored and Kirkland made two or three top drawer saves from Dirk, that on another night he might have got at least two goals from.
If we had Torres and A N Other decent striker in that situation we would have done even better.
So we were doing OK, Rafa then brings on Lucas, pushes Gerrard further forward and then brings Torres on.
From that point on things started going pear shaped, although Torres did score, we lost all our shape, they got a goal back and we ended up at sixes and sevens trying to protect our lead, after we had looked as comfortable as we had for a long time.
regards
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[quote author=Asim link=topic=38446.msg1033536#msg1033536 date=1263465302]
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=38446.msg1033531#msg1033531 date=1263465133]
He was no worse than anyone else last night.
There seems to be a belief that we have a shit squad all of a sudden - we don't, we have a very good squad who are all playing well below their potential and this must reflect badly on the manager and his ability to motivate them.
Reina, Johnson, Carra, Agger, Skrtel, Aquilani, Gerrard, Mascher, Benayoun, Kuyt, Torres, Rodriguez, Riera.
13 names above, all international players, all good enough to a title challenge, all underperforming. The fault lies solely with Rafa and if we do get rid of him the silver lining is that the new manager has a lot to work with.
[/quote]
Oh don't me started on this cunt, done FUCK ALL at the club! 😉
[/quote]
Yes his recent performances have been completely anonymous. It's like he's never kicked a ball for the club
[/quote]
Bastards, the pair of you. I edited above but you quoted too soon.
[/quote]I don't think it's fair to say Riera or Aquilani are underperforming. In fact I think Riera would do our team the world of good, but he's hardly had a look in. And aquilani can hardly be said to be underperforming after 2 league starts. Skrtel and Agger too in fact.
Kuyt, Benayoun, Torres, Gerrard are most certainly underperforming.
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Rafa persists in playing Yossi on the left where he is wasted, you either play him on the right or behind the striker.
He needs to forget about the Torres/Gerrard attacking formation once and for all. Other team have sussed it out now and know if you stifle Gerrard you isolate Torres who then gets more and more frustrated, they are both suffering now when he uses it.
It's a simple game and we just need to get back to basics and play a 442 where everyone knows their role and the role that everyone else is meant to be playing.
We looked fine against Wigan when Kuyt and N'gog played as a front two, N'gog scored and Kirkland made two or three top drawer saves from Dirk, that on another night he might have got at least two goals from.
If we had Torres and A N Other decent striker in that situation we would have done even better.
So we were doing OK, Rafa then brings on Lucas, pushes Gerrard further forward and then brings Torres on.
From that point on things started going pear shaped, although Torres did score, we lost all our shape, they got a goal back and we ended up at sixes and sevens trying to protect our lead, after we had looked as comfortable as we had for a long time.
regards
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