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Andy Carroll

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"whilst flicking his left leg towards his right" - that was him leaving his left leg trailing as though the keeper had 'taken' it. It's the classic 'trailing leg' stunt seen every week and which has given rise to defenders and keepers faking a tackle/save then withdrawing at the last second so that they clearly make no contact. That's exactly what Krul did.

- if you watch from 0:40 s, then you will see it wasn't a trailing leg. He literally did flick it to the right as if Krul was some type of leper that would have infected him. His leg flicked to the right looks like a reflex to avoid touching krul at all costs.



Did his arms look like this when he hit the ground: Y

Yes.

This is known as the Y pose. It's as sure a dive litmus test as if they roll over more than 270 degrees on the ground.

The only wrinkle is is if someone made contact. This is a subvariation called Y-MTMOI.

But no contact was made so you do the maths.


lol. this is not conclusive evidence of a dive. perhaps in the split second he realised he fucked up and was on his way to the ground he thought his last hope to redeem himself was to strike a pose that might win him a penalty.

but I doubt he would do such a thing to his boyhood club. also you can clearly see from the video what happened. most strikers when they round the keeper will shift the ball at a diagonal angle. Carroll shifted it square by 90 degrees. This is where he was a pussy in my opinion, he didn't back himself to round the keeper unless he shifted the ball directly to the side making it fucking impossible for even lev yashin to get a hand to it. fair enough, but then as he was landing this meant the ball was under him rather than to the side. so his next mistake was to try and kick it forward whilst he was in the air. that is the physical reason which caused him to fall.

what you are proposing is that he intended for this. that he was able to calculate precisely which angle and speed to shift the ball at, and what trajectory to aim his jump at, so as to land on top of the ball with his right foot. You could combine the balance of George Best with the Physics of Einstein, and still come up short. He fell over.
 
I think he fell over, he didn't even appeal for a penalty.

I don't wanna sell him. I think he'd be good with some decent players near him.
 
There is no redemption for Andy Carroll no matter how optimistic some people may be. We were mugged big time!
 
There is no redemption for Andy Carroll no matter how optimistic some people may be. We were mugged big time!

I'd like to see him here under a different manager. I thought he played well today, especially first half.

As for the dive/fall. It was defo a dive but he clearly thought Krul was going to take his legs and played for it - not the first and won't be the last player to do that. Krul pulling his hands away obviously made it look worse than it was.
 
I hope I don't have to see the big useless limbering lazy shithouse in a Liverpool shirt again.
The quickest he moved all day was when he was storming down the tunnel.
 
It was a dive. He didn't trip, either against the ground or his other foot. He didn't lose balance either. The video shows that he clearly checked his own run to fall over; probably so that he could pass responsibility to someone else for the goal scoring opportunity.
 
I need to watch it again but it looked to me like he just tripped over his own feet with the goal at his mercy...frankly that's probably worse than a dive.

That's what I thought Neil. I was really disappointed with him today, it was there for him to go for, he just acted like a sulky twat who really doesn't deserve the backing he's had and certainly didn't have the right to do what he did when he came off.
 
no matter what, taking carroll off was ridiculous.

fucking ridiculous.

No skully. Buying him was fucking ridiculous.

Dive, trip, stumble, whatever. He's shite and is making Liverpool a mid-table team along with Adam, Drowning, and Henderwank.

All this talk about keeping him pisses me off. It would be one thing if he possessed ANY technical ability. But he does not. Not any. None. The fact that some of you don't see this (or refuse to see it) effectively condemns us to several more seasons of the same fucking monkey bollocks.

And that's putting it nicely.
 
No skully. Buying him was fucking ridiculous.

Yeah, he was posting this shit in the match thread, "oh poor the Carroll, terrible man management letting him get booed"...... Errrrr.. what else do you suggest? He's been a poor buy and his attitude is a joke. Oh, and he cost £35m. And he chose not to shoot but to take another touch and then a lame dive. A summary of his short comings right there, he isn't technically, physically or mentally good enough for a top club.

I'd sooner we'd have kept Crouch if we wanted a target man option.
 
Sell him for anything we can.

It's times like this I really cannot fathom the 'always support your players no matter what mentality'. Andy Carroll means absolutely nothing to me, red shirt or no red shirt. He can fuck off to Bolton or West Ham for a pittance. Cunt.
 
i think the sub yesterday of Andy summed up Kennys handling of him, Kenny has handled him terribly IMO.

Every time he has a good game he is dropped, then he is humiliated at his old home when we needed a goal.

Sorry but Kenny is not the man for us next season, said it.

I bet a different manager can get Carroll to be a decent PL 15 goal a season man, if Kenny stays and sells him this is what another manager like Martin O'Neil will do
 
i think the sub yesterday of Andy summed up Kennys handling of him, Kenny has handled him terribly IMO.

Every time he has a good game he is dropped, then he is humiliated at his old home when we needed a goal.

Sorry but Kenny is not the man for us next season, said it.

I bet a different manager can get Carroll to be a decent PL 15 goal a season man, if Kenny stays and sells him this is what another manager like Martin O'Neil will do

Agree 100%
 
i think the sub yesterday of Andy summed up Kennys handling of him, Kenny has handled him terribly IMO.

Every time he has a good game he is dropped, then he is humiliated at his old home when we needed a goal.

Sorry but Kenny is not the man for us next season, said it.

I bet a different manager can get Carroll to be a decent PL 15 goal a season man, if Kenny stays and sells him this is what another manager like Martin O'Neil will do

Humiliated ? He's fucking humiliated himself and the whole club since he came here with his absolute shitness
 
It was clearly not a dive. As he rounds the keeper, he jumps slightly to his right, whilst flicking his left leg towards his right. Then as he comes down on his right leg, the ball is directly below it. Instead of flicking his right leg out of the way, Carroll decides to then kick the ball forwards with his right leg, as he is landing, with both feet off the ground. It was inexplicable what he was thinking, even George Best would struggle to do something like that. He didn't dive, he fell over. It's pretty clear so I don't understand why everyone is abusing him.



View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQXO5AS6CHo
- if you watch this from 0:47s, you will see the problem.

What a crock of shit. It was a clear and laughable and inexplicable dive and I hope he never plays for us again the fucking pussy. And Kenny was a super cunt for defending him on TV afterwards.
'Sometimes we do this thing where Diao eats the grass'
Fucking ALL of em are pricks.
 
He is looking like being one of the worst signings we have ever made, he really is.

Blame Kenny for the signing if you like, that is fair enough, but blaming Kenny for somehow making him shit seems a little harsh.

It seems that the guy gets criticised for always playing his signings on one hand but on the other hand also criticised when he doesn't play his signings, even when they are largely ineffective, dive, moan and publicly tell the manager to fuck off
 
I've watched that 6 times now (didn't watch the game) & I have no idea whether it was a dive or he tripped. I guess only he knows.

It's irrelevant TBH, the only fact that matters is that he didn't score from that position, which is appalling.

I still think he needs at least another season, as does Kenny, but I suspect that I'm in the extremely small minority.
 
I've watched that 6 times now (didn't watch the game) & I have no idea whether it was a dive or he tripped. I guess only he knows.

It's irrelevant TBH, the only fact that matters is that he didn't score from that position, which is appalling.

I still think he needs at least another season, as does Kenny, but I suspect that I'm in the extremely small minority.

Yeah, that's about it. Everything about his reaction says that he fell, but it does look like a dive. Only he will know.
 
I've never seen you do anything but, think a Liverpool player is in the wrong. Recently anyway.

It probably was a dive though.
Certainly when they dive no. Im like that you know. Like the rules. Hate cheats. I know I know, im so 'not' with it.
 
Certainly when they dive no. Im like that you know. Like the rules. Hate cheats. I know I know, im so 'not' with it.

I've still yet to see you give a Liverpool player the benefit of the doubt. It's not this case in particular I'm talking about.

You probably have in the past, I dunno, my memory isn't that good.
 
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