Owners would have to go ? When will fans learn that they have absolutely zero say in owners staying/leaving ? I'd have thought the Glazers would have taught that lesson long ago.
FSG will stay as long as they want and no shorter/longer.
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FSG will stay as long as they want and no shorter/longer.
Doesn't mean I have to like it, nor will it stop fans going within reasonable limits to drive them out.
FSG know they can't compete anywhere near the top financially, & since it's all about profitability for them....do you really think they'd let the club sink before selling?
Do you really think anything the fans do affects them? See United. Deluded.
I suppose not, because like the glazers they're never in the City of the clubs they own so they can't get a feel of the atmosphere......nor do they own social media accounts to get a gist of reaction from outside. (Well they may have an account in their name but we know it's not really JWH himself)
I don't blame them for either, to become a billionaire you must live a very busy life whilst also wanting to keep a lot of it private. I get it.
And just to add to this the miniscule difference in prices having paid 90m for Mudryk and seeing Gakpo come to Anfield for 40m........paid 70m for Fofana and seeing Konate come to Anfield for 35m, paid 70m for Kepa and seeing Adrian come to us on a free 😛, paid 50m for Sterling and seeing Doak/Gordon come to Anfield for 2m 🙂
The kind of thoughts I'd have about Chelsea don't belong in prayers. They'd be much more along the lines of:
AHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
I thought someone would reply along these lines (with good rationale)…but the answer is a resounding yes, let’s laugh at the absolute clusterfuck that is their FFP busting transfer shitshow and their plastic cunt fans.
We need to make a significant investment, and to get everything right if we want to challenge.
So far we've made one good purchase, and while he's a very good and quite versatile midfielder, I don't think he's so unbelievably transformative to our midfield, he's just an improvement at a good value. FSG can be made up with that, because their goal is that we get 4th place, and if we can do it at a great value, then their nipples get erect.
Until I see that we're serious about rebuilding I just don't see any reason to crow about anything. Time will tell.
So far we've made one good purchase, and while he's a very good and quite versatile midfielder, I don't think he's so unbelievably transformative to our midfield, he's just an improvement at a good value. FSG can be made up with that, because their goal is that we get 4th place, and if we can do it at a great value, then their nipples get erect.
Until I see that we're serious about rebuilding I just don't see any reason to crow about anything. Time will tell.
100%. It's just the start. And I'll say it again, it's positively awful they are not investing in the team to date.
They bought the club for 400M. It's now worth close to $4BN. They'll make a TON on any future sale. Of course they can invest in the club. Of course it's a sound financial decision. Being prudent is riskier for the club right now, than investing.
And we all know, getting these Mac Alister inside knowledge release clause deals are once a season if you're lucky. You won't get many more.
So, over to you FSG, show us you're the smartest guys in the room. Because this current policy of financial prudence malarkey on a club you'll make 10-15x your investment, makes you look dumb.
Who is buying us? The two guys competing to buy Man U are fans, and are not doing it for commercial success. I would have thought the news of major investment would have been made by now, it's still unclear if the would-be investors who meet FSGs requirements and vide versa. I think FSG will invest in the club this season as much as £200M but going into next season, I really can't see them buying more than one player
There's suitors out there for sure. Man United going on the market did impact our ability to sell though. We would have been used and abused - and both processes would have become entwined. It was smart to pull the plug, I think and I would expect FSG to start making noises again once the UNITED thing gets done, and we get back on top.
My own read is that there is an approximate value on the club around $3.5-4BN, and it would be silly to let it depreciate, because it really does impact their selling price down the line.
Man U's price is heading towards £6bn, which is inflated by two fans outbidding one another. FSG values the club at £4bn not $4bn. How many billionaires can now afford to bankroll PL clubs as the Russians have been warded off? Dubai sovereign wealth fund doesn't need sport washing
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The Mac Allister family: friends with Maradona to a World Cup with Messi - Sid Lowe
[article]The Mac Allisters arrived from Ireland in the 1800s, he says, and have Italian roots too. The Pampas is their place, Alexis the first pampeano to go to the World Cup. But if you’re looking for an identity, it’s football. The Mac Allisters love football. When the families visited the Argentina team hotel two days ago theirs was the table with a phone on showing Morocco v Portugal.
There’s a smile, a flash of pride when he recalls Alexis being invited to talk to Villarreal five years ago. Unable to accompany him, he sent Kevin and Francis instead. “When the meeting finished they called: ‘Bloody hell, Javier, what sons you have!’” he says. “They know every player, every team, every detail. I heard Raphinha say he prefers to watch series; my boys watch every match from morning to night, drinking mate. When they were little, I’d say: ‘You follow the No 2 and the No 4; you follow the 8 and the 5; you, the 10 and 11. I’ll do the others.’ They would note it all down: good passes, bad passes, headers won, headers lost …” Mac Allister still does so, providing his sons with analyses of their games.
A product of their father, then? “No,” he insists. “The product of a very important academy, Argentinos Juniors. Family where what matters is being good people. Themselves. They’re not remote-controlled. They find their way, not always look back and see mum and dad.
“At games, people pat me on the back: ‘che, Colo, how did you do it?’ No, no, no, no. His mum did is fundamental; we have to value more mothers’ work. I’m not the ‘father’ of their formation: it’s the clubs, the coaches, the kids they played with, the whole family, and Alexis’s older brothers were so important for him. They’re not footballers because they were told to be: they’re footballers because they like it, it’s their passion.”
It doesn’t stop there: Mac Allister speaks warmly of Brighton and of a future in which Alexis continues in the Premier League, stats he runs through underlining his evolution, especially since shifting position. He recalls a long diagonal ball played on his second game, aged 17: “I said: ‘Bloody brilliant! And what personality. This is a first-division player.’ So I don’t think the pressure will affect him: that’s his best quality.” Asked what is it about his game that reveals Alexis as a Mac Allister, Colo smiles. “The way he tackles,” he says, sharing a photo to show it. “But it’s the only thing he has that’s me, eh!”
“I will never be that papa tonto, that pushy dad saying his kid is the best. The most important thing is the team, they know. And I say to them: ‘hey, you didn’t play 400 games yet’,” Mac Allister says, laughing. “I told them I scored against Real Madrid. They didn’t believe me. One day channel hopping, the game was on. ‘Watch this’. You have to say that occasionally. They’re miles better in everything else. The more they leave me behind, the happier I am.”
There may be no prouder papa here. “Although you’re worried about injury right up to the last game against Aston Villa, I was confident Alexis would get called up,” he says but even he didn’t expected it to go this well, the look on his face speaking of discovery, joy. “This is my first World Cup,” Mac Allister says. “Now I realise what a World Cup is, what it means. And it’s tremendous. I never had the chance to come before.”
Mac Allister’s competitive appearances for Argentina were limited to the playoff against Australia that qualified them for the 1994 World Cup. The story goes he was left out after kicking Ariel Ortega in a Boca-River clásico. “No, the opposite!” he protests. “It was because I didn’t kick him. I should have buried him. I didn’t play well, although I don’t think a decision was made based on one game. [Jorge] Valdano said every player needs a small quota of criminality inside and that day of all days I didn’t.
“Those games, the playoff against Australia, were historic. There were loads of nerves in the country and the team. They’d come from the 5-0 loss against Colombia, wounded. So of course I would have liked to make the World Cup. But I felt satisfied I gave what I had to get Argentina there.”
Which was where Maradona was thrown out for doping, conversation turning again to Mac Allister’s captain and companion. “Firstly, I don’t think Diego had taken drugs to play [better]: I think it was an accident,” he says. “And you forgive an idol anything. The problem is that when your leader falls, you fall.”[/article]
The Mac Allister family: friends with Maradona to a World Cup with Messi - Sid Lowe
[article]The Mac Allisters arrived from Ireland in the 1800s, he says, and have Italian roots too. The Pampas is their place, Alexis the first pampeano to go to the World Cup. But if you’re looking for an identity, it’s football. The Mac Allisters love football. When the families visited the Argentina team hotel two days ago theirs was the table with a phone on showing Morocco v Portugal.
There’s a smile, a flash of pride when he recalls Alexis being invited to talk to Villarreal five years ago. Unable to accompany him, he sent Kevin and Francis instead. “When the meeting finished they called: ‘Bloody hell, Javier, what sons you have!’” he says. “They know every player, every team, every detail. I heard Raphinha say he prefers to watch series; my boys watch every match from morning to night, drinking mate. When they were little, I’d say: ‘You follow the No 2 and the No 4; you follow the 8 and the 5; you, the 10 and 11. I’ll do the others.’ They would note it all down: good passes, bad passes, headers won, headers lost …” Mac Allister still does so, providing his sons with analyses of their games.
A product of their father, then? “No,” he insists. “The product of a very important academy, Argentinos Juniors. Family where what matters is being good people. Themselves. They’re not remote-controlled. They find their way, not always look back and see mum and dad.
“At games, people pat me on the back: ‘che, Colo, how did you do it?’ No, no, no, no. His mum did is fundamental; we have to value more mothers’ work. I’m not the ‘father’ of their formation: it’s the clubs, the coaches, the kids they played with, the whole family, and Alexis’s older brothers were so important for him. They’re not footballers because they were told to be: they’re footballers because they like it, it’s their passion.”
It doesn’t stop there: Mac Allister speaks warmly of Brighton and of a future in which Alexis continues in the Premier League, stats he runs through underlining his evolution, especially since shifting position. He recalls a long diagonal ball played on his second game, aged 17: “I said: ‘Bloody brilliant! And what personality. This is a first-division player.’ So I don’t think the pressure will affect him: that’s his best quality.” Asked what is it about his game that reveals Alexis as a Mac Allister, Colo smiles. “The way he tackles,” he says, sharing a photo to show it. “But it’s the only thing he has that’s me, eh!”
“I will never be that papa tonto, that pushy dad saying his kid is the best. The most important thing is the team, they know. And I say to them: ‘hey, you didn’t play 400 games yet’,” Mac Allister says, laughing. “I told them I scored against Real Madrid. They didn’t believe me. One day channel hopping, the game was on. ‘Watch this’. You have to say that occasionally. They’re miles better in everything else. The more they leave me behind, the happier I am.”
There may be no prouder papa here. “Although you’re worried about injury right up to the last game against Aston Villa, I was confident Alexis would get called up,” he says but even he didn’t expected it to go this well, the look on his face speaking of discovery, joy. “This is my first World Cup,” Mac Allister says. “Now I realise what a World Cup is, what it means. And it’s tremendous. I never had the chance to come before.”
Mac Allister’s competitive appearances for Argentina were limited to the playoff against Australia that qualified them for the 1994 World Cup. The story goes he was left out after kicking Ariel Ortega in a Boca-River clásico. “No, the opposite!” he protests. “It was because I didn’t kick him. I should have buried him. I didn’t play well, although I don’t think a decision was made based on one game. [Jorge] Valdano said every player needs a small quota of criminality inside and that day of all days I didn’t.
“Those games, the playoff against Australia, were historic. There were loads of nerves in the country and the team. They’d come from the 5-0 loss against Colombia, wounded. So of course I would have liked to make the World Cup. But I felt satisfied I gave what I had to get Argentina there.”
Which was where Maradona was thrown out for doping, conversation turning again to Mac Allister’s captain and companion. “Firstly, I don’t think Diego had taken drugs to play [better]: I think it was an accident,” he says. “And you forgive an idol anything. The problem is that when your leader falls, you fall.”[/article]
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Course he did.
They kind mistranslated the Spanish though, he called em goat fuckers not gremlins
You're gonna have to teach me some of that Spanish you know one day LTW!!!
Did he really say that about Robbo though? All seems a bit forced.....after how any years was it now? 6 years? He still hasn't let a little push of his head go?
Messi told our boy Mac Allister he will enjoy his time in Liverpool (except for Robbo the prick) and that United are goat fuckers, Colombian journalist Jesus “Heraldo” Christ translated it, but apparently didn’t understand what follador de cabras means in Argentinian. Then this news was posted on Twitter and SCM and we’re discussing it. What’s not to understand?
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I’ve been thinking about how we might tweak things a little.
I think the thing to remember about Trent is that it’s in possession he steps into midfield and Konate shifts across cup cover.
Out is possession, Trent moved back into RB and Konate gets closer to Virgil.
One of the keys here is Robbo - because he can’t push up as much without leaving a massive gap through the middle, unless Fabs as a DM drops back (but that causes other problems).
Therefore, because our two wide attacking players invert and come inside into the space Gakpo creates by dropping deep in a false 9 position, the two midfielders have to provide overlap options - because neither Trent or Robbo will be able to do it as much.
That’s where Jones has been good - offering width and ghosting in from out wide.
Mac Allister and Jones will both work well in that position - Thiago doesn’t have the goal scoring capability, but he can offer a different option passing from a deeper position.
I could see Carvalho operating there as well, given time.
On the right - that’s what Harvey is being primed for - attacking option to overlap. Hendo might not have the legs anymore, but he too is comfortable in the centre and out wide.
Mac Allister could operate on the right side as well, but unlikely to be as good overlapping as on the left - but it’s great he can play both roles - probably one of the reasons we bought him.
So, we need someone who can do what Garvey has been trying to do, but better.
Back to Fabs - if our other 2 midfielders are drifting out wide - if he drops back to cover the space between centre backs - then we literally have no-one in the centre - except Trent who’s trying to find space to act as a playmaker and Gakpo - who won’t be deep enough.
This all works if we retain possession - we need to cut out the loose passes and our press needs to be back to its best - this is why Nunez will be finding himself on the bench a lot.
We have needed a midfield threat for the longest time. If we just had a Gundogan who chips in with 10-15 goals and assist every season, we would have won a few more trophies. Keita and Ox were bought in for this purpose but the less said about them the better.
Fab and Hendo are useless at it. Hendo used to be better, but not anymore. Fab used to play some through balls, but not anymore. Thiago is hit and miss, mostly misses these days (if he is even on yhe pitch), and he doesn't even pass that well anymore.
Harvey is decent but not direct or consistent enough. Jones the same, I know he got some goals recently, but he hadn't shown enough to prove himself as a consistent threat.
Step up Trent, you can see how much more of a threat we have become when we consistently thread balls into threatening areas. With Mac Allister, we should get even more impetus from midfield. If we could bring in another midfielder with energy and mobility, and sort out our defense, we should be laughing again.
Fab and Hendo are useless at it. Hendo used to be better, but not anymore. Fab used to play some through balls, but not anymore. Thiago is hit and miss, mostly misses these days (if he is even on yhe pitch), and he doesn't even pass that well anymore.
Harvey is decent but not direct or consistent enough. Jones the same, I know he got some goals recently, but he hadn't shown enough to prove himself as a consistent threat.
Step up Trent, you can see how much more of a threat we have become when we consistently thread balls into threatening areas. With Mac Allister, we should get even more impetus from midfield. If we could bring in another midfielder with energy and mobility, and sort out our defense, we should be laughing again.
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