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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=43407.msg1243033#msg1243033 date=1294211343]
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=43407.msg1243031#msg1243031 date=1294211063]
I dont want him anywere near our club. He is a selfobsessed troublemaker and a thick cunt.
If we do sign him or his type of player (overpaid arseholes with bigger love for them selves than for anything else) we are heading in a direction so wrong that I dont even want to think about it. My hope for bothering to follow footie in the future is that we are to build on a strong team fighting for each other. No Nanis, Ronaldos or Adebayors however good they are. I dont care. Football is about the team. The club. And thats who I want to watch.
I reckon footie is loosing grip with reality, and seeing so many empty seats around is a strong signal. People want to watch hard working individuals who they can identify with.. And of course they need to compare it with skills. Thtas why it is easy for i.e. Barcelona to fill up their stadium.
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As opposed to all these average, nice, half hearted players you all keep moaning about? As for Nani's and Ronaldo's, well yeah, their selfish capacity to be complete arseholes has really done the Scum damage in the trophy department.
[/quote]Really? Who would the average guys I allways moan about be?
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=43407.msg1243031#msg1243031 date=1294211063]
I dont want him anywere near our club. He is a selfobsessed troublemaker and a thick cunt.
If we do sign him or his type of player (overpaid arseholes with bigger love for them selves than for anything else) we are heading in a direction so wrong that I dont even want to think about it. My hope for bothering to follow footie in the future is that we are to build on a strong team fighting for each other. No Nanis, Ronaldos or Adebayors however good they are. I dont care. Football is about the team. The club. And thats who I want to watch.
I reckon footie is loosing grip with reality, and seeing so many empty seats around is a strong signal. People want to watch hard working individuals who they can identify with.. And of course they need to compare it with skills. Thtas why it is easy for i.e. Barcelona to fill up their stadium.
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As opposed to all these average, nice, half hearted players you all keep moaning about? As for Nani's and Ronaldo's, well yeah, their selfish capacity to be complete arseholes has really done the Scum damage in the trophy department.
[/quote]Really? Who would the average guys I allways moan about be?
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=43407.msg1243036#msg1243036 date=1294211634]
I just mean in general on the forum Insig, people moan about the likes of Lucas and Maxi etc, we've got a lot of average 'nice' guys.
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Well by no means I feel we are in a good state of shape at the moment.... But if we are to use the current situation to rebuild I think it is a waste to look at the overpriced and selfobsessed players like Adebayor. It would not take one single step further.
I dont have the full overview of the market... But we need as soon as possible a new manager in who can and will start sourcing his own team to build. We are full of mediocre players, and I am sure we can find better. I am also sure that this period will take time, but I am willing to give a new man with a vision time. Today we dont have anything. Not a vision for what we want, not a half decent team putting in half decent performances and not a manager gathering the people, around him. Its quite sad. And I just feel pretty sure that if Adebayor is the guy to bring in and start filling up Anfield again, I am lost somewhere down that road.
I just mean in general on the forum Insig, people moan about the likes of Lucas and Maxi etc, we've got a lot of average 'nice' guys.
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Well by no means I feel we are in a good state of shape at the moment.... But if we are to use the current situation to rebuild I think it is a waste to look at the overpriced and selfobsessed players like Adebayor. It would not take one single step further.
I dont have the full overview of the market... But we need as soon as possible a new manager in who can and will start sourcing his own team to build. We are full of mediocre players, and I am sure we can find better. I am also sure that this period will take time, but I am willing to give a new man with a vision time. Today we dont have anything. Not a vision for what we want, not a half decent team putting in half decent performances and not a manager gathering the people, around him. Its quite sad. And I just feel pretty sure that if Adebayor is the guy to bring in and start filling up Anfield again, I am lost somewhere down that road.
I'm not gonna disagree about him being a cunt, he clearly is but other 'cunts' have blossomed here too, and at other clubs for that matter. Look at Cantona for instance, or closer to home, Anelka. Sometimes players just need the right environment to settle. I agree we need stability so maybe it's the wrong route to take in that sense, but as a player he's completely ideal as the type of forward we're looking for.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=43407.msg1243038#msg1243038 date=1294212203]
I'm not gonna disagree about him being a cunt, he clearly is but other 'cunts' have blossomed here too, and at other clubs for that matter. Look at Cantona for instance, or closer to home, Anelka. Sometimes players just need the right environment to settle. I agree we need stability so maybe it's the wrong route to take in that sense, but as a player he's completely ideal as the type of forward we're looking for.
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But look at the two you mentioned. There is no doubt i.e. Cantona was a man who alone could have filled up Old Trafford. His arrogance helped creating his image. I think it says a lot about the wankers when they put i.e. Beckham higher than Cantona on the list of best Man U players throughout the time. He was sent packing by Leeds when hitting his prime, and for all good players and the not to mention the good team United had in his prime, he was the one who pulled it through natural leadership on and off the pitch.
Anelka... Hmmm I dont think he came along as a cunt when he was here? He was centered with some turmoil both in Arsenal and Real, and really was the centre of his own universe there. But when he was at us he looked to have matured, and he could have kicked away a good Liverpool career. He could have been a natural ingredience in our team, and he could have found some peace for himself in our surroundings. Who knows. He defo have created some turmoil in the WC, but that France squad was not exactly the gel of the universe.... And he was not sent packing from Arsenal i.e. they were just ousted by Real who usually does that when they want their man.
But Adebayor is surplus at both Arse and City. And that is two decent managers who has had enough of him. Well I dont know.... I just dont think he will do us any good of the pitch, and I suspect there is were the new manager will start building his team.
I'm not gonna disagree about him being a cunt, he clearly is but other 'cunts' have blossomed here too, and at other clubs for that matter. Look at Cantona for instance, or closer to home, Anelka. Sometimes players just need the right environment to settle. I agree we need stability so maybe it's the wrong route to take in that sense, but as a player he's completely ideal as the type of forward we're looking for.
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But look at the two you mentioned. There is no doubt i.e. Cantona was a man who alone could have filled up Old Trafford. His arrogance helped creating his image. I think it says a lot about the wankers when they put i.e. Beckham higher than Cantona on the list of best Man U players throughout the time. He was sent packing by Leeds when hitting his prime, and for all good players and the not to mention the good team United had in his prime, he was the one who pulled it through natural leadership on and off the pitch.
Anelka... Hmmm I dont think he came along as a cunt when he was here? He was centered with some turmoil both in Arsenal and Real, and really was the centre of his own universe there. But when he was at us he looked to have matured, and he could have kicked away a good Liverpool career. He could have been a natural ingredience in our team, and he could have found some peace for himself in our surroundings. Who knows. He defo have created some turmoil in the WC, but that France squad was not exactly the gel of the universe.... And he was not sent packing from Arsenal i.e. they were just ousted by Real who usually does that when they want their man.
But Adebayor is surplus at both Arse and City. And that is two decent managers who has had enough of him. Well I dont know.... I just dont think he will do us any good of the pitch, and I suspect there is were the new manager will start building his team.
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=43407.msg1243039#msg1243039 date=1294212740]
Completley agree Mark. Can't rule him out just because he's a cunt.
Am I the only one who acutally kind of liked him during the WC?
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Nope, I thought he came across as decent too, kind of surprised me actually.
Completley agree Mark. Can't rule him out just because he's a cunt.
Am I the only one who acutally kind of liked him during the WC?
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Nope, I thought he came across as decent too, kind of surprised me actually.
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=43407.msg1243045#msg1243045 date=1294214627]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=43407.msg1243038#msg1243038 date=1294212203]
I'm not gonna disagree about him being a cunt, he clearly is but other 'cunts' have blossomed here too, and at other clubs for that matter. Look at Cantona for instance, or closer to home, Anelka. Sometimes players just need the right environment to settle. I agree we need stability so maybe it's the wrong route to take in that sense, but as a player he's completely ideal as the type of forward we're looking for.
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But look at the two you mentioned. There is no doubt i.e. Cantona was a man who alone could have filled up Old Trafford. His arrogance helped creating his image. I think it says a lot about the wankers when they put i.e. Beckham higher than Cantona on the list of best Man U players throughout the time. He was sent packing by Leeds when hitting his prime, and for all good players and the not to mention the good team United had in his prime, he was the one who pulled it through natural leadership on and off the pitch.
Anelka... Hmmm I dont think he came along as a cunt when he was here? He was centered with some turmoil both in Arsenal and Real, and really was the centre of his own universe there. But when he was at us he looked to have matured, and he could have kicked away a good Liverpool career. He could have been a natural ingredience in our team, and he could have found some peace for himself in our surroundings. Who knows. He defo have created some turmoil in the WC, but that France squad was not exactly the gel of the universe.... And he was not sent packing from Arsenal i.e. they were just ousted by Real who usually does that when they want their man.
But Adebayor is surplus at both Arse and City. And that is two decent managers who has had enough of him. Well I dont know.... I just dont think he will do us any good of the pitch, and I suspect there is were the new manager will start building his team.
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I think we'll have to agree to disagree, Cantona pulled them through on and off the pitch? He was the catalyst for their teams success, but let's not pretend he was the model pro, he got banned for *ages* for the kung-fu kick.
Regards Anelka, that was my point. He came here with a rep, he was a gobby twat at Arsenal, thought he was better than he was and failed in his 'big move' to Madrid. He came here after he'd been knocked down a peg or two over a couple of years and maybe it was the wake up call he needed. We gave him a chance and regardless of the fact we never took him on, it was more or less a rebirth for him and he's never looked back, he got it together at Bolton and now he's a huge success at Chelsea. He matured in the right environment. Who's to say Adebayor can't do the same?
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=43407.msg1243038#msg1243038 date=1294212203]
I'm not gonna disagree about him being a cunt, he clearly is but other 'cunts' have blossomed here too, and at other clubs for that matter. Look at Cantona for instance, or closer to home, Anelka. Sometimes players just need the right environment to settle. I agree we need stability so maybe it's the wrong route to take in that sense, but as a player he's completely ideal as the type of forward we're looking for.
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But look at the two you mentioned. There is no doubt i.e. Cantona was a man who alone could have filled up Old Trafford. His arrogance helped creating his image. I think it says a lot about the wankers when they put i.e. Beckham higher than Cantona on the list of best Man U players throughout the time. He was sent packing by Leeds when hitting his prime, and for all good players and the not to mention the good team United had in his prime, he was the one who pulled it through natural leadership on and off the pitch.
Anelka... Hmmm I dont think he came along as a cunt when he was here? He was centered with some turmoil both in Arsenal and Real, and really was the centre of his own universe there. But when he was at us he looked to have matured, and he could have kicked away a good Liverpool career. He could have been a natural ingredience in our team, and he could have found some peace for himself in our surroundings. Who knows. He defo have created some turmoil in the WC, but that France squad was not exactly the gel of the universe.... And he was not sent packing from Arsenal i.e. they were just ousted by Real who usually does that when they want their man.
But Adebayor is surplus at both Arse and City. And that is two decent managers who has had enough of him. Well I dont know.... I just dont think he will do us any good of the pitch, and I suspect there is were the new manager will start building his team.
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I think we'll have to agree to disagree, Cantona pulled them through on and off the pitch? He was the catalyst for their teams success, but let's not pretend he was the model pro, he got banned for *ages* for the kung-fu kick.
Regards Anelka, that was my point. He came here with a rep, he was a gobby twat at Arsenal, thought he was better than he was and failed in his 'big move' to Madrid. He came here after he'd been knocked down a peg or two over a couple of years and maybe it was the wake up call he needed. We gave him a chance and regardless of the fact we never took him on, it was more or less a rebirth for him and he's never looked back, he got it together at Bolton and now he's a huge success at Chelsea. He matured in the right environment. Who's to say Adebayor can't do the same?
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=43407.msg1243053#msg1243053 date=1294216051]
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=43407.msg1243045#msg1243045 date=1294214627]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=43407.msg1243038#msg1243038 date=1294212203]
I'm not gonna disagree about him being a cunt, he clearly is but other 'cunts' have blossomed here too, and at other clubs for that matter. Look at Cantona for instance, or closer to home, Anelka. Sometimes players just need the right environment to settle. I agree we need stability so maybe it's the wrong route to take in that sense, but as a player he's completely ideal as the type of forward we're looking for.
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But look at the two you mentioned. There is no doubt i.e. Cantona was a man who alone could have filled up Old Trafford. His arrogance helped creating his image. I think it says a lot about the wankers when they put i.e. Beckham higher than Cantona on the list of best Man U players throughout the time. He was sent packing by Leeds when hitting his prime, and for all good players and the not to mention the good team United had in his prime, he was the one who pulled it through natural leadership on and off the pitch.
Anelka... Hmmm I dont think he came along as a cunt when he was here? He was centered with some turmoil both in Arsenal and Real, and really was the centre of his own universe there. But when he was at us he looked to have matured, and he could have kicked away a good Liverpool career. He could have been a natural ingredience in our team, and he could have found some peace for himself in our surroundings. Who knows. He defo have created some turmoil in the WC, but that France squad was not exactly the gel of the universe.... And he was not sent packing from Arsenal i.e. they were just ousted by Real who usually does that when they want their man.
But Adebayor is surplus at both Arse and City. And that is two decent managers who has had enough of him. Well I dont know.... I just dont think he will do us any good of the pitch, and I suspect there is were the new manager will start building his team.
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I think we'll have to agree to disagree, Cantona pulled them through on and off the pitch? He was the catalyst for their teams success, but let's not pretend he was the model pro, he got banned for *ages* for the kung-fu kick.
Regards Anelka, that was my point. He came here with a rep, he was a gobby twat at Arsenal, thought he was better than he was and failed in his 'big move' to Madrid. He came here after he'd been knocked down a peg or two over a couple of years and maybe it was the wake up call he needed. We gave him a chance and regardless of the fact we never took him on, it was more or less a rebirth for him and he's never looked back, he got it together at Bolton and now he's a huge success at Chelsea. He matured in the right environment. Who's to say Adebayor can't do the same?
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That's a good post, Mark. Being at such a cuntish environment as City isn't probably helping him either. A move to somewhere a bit more down to earth might do him a world of good.
Also even if he'd be a bit of a cunt here as well I'm so desperate for quality I'd take him in a heartbeat.
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=43407.msg1243045#msg1243045 date=1294214627]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=43407.msg1243038#msg1243038 date=1294212203]
I'm not gonna disagree about him being a cunt, he clearly is but other 'cunts' have blossomed here too, and at other clubs for that matter. Look at Cantona for instance, or closer to home, Anelka. Sometimes players just need the right environment to settle. I agree we need stability so maybe it's the wrong route to take in that sense, but as a player he's completely ideal as the type of forward we're looking for.
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But look at the two you mentioned. There is no doubt i.e. Cantona was a man who alone could have filled up Old Trafford. His arrogance helped creating his image. I think it says a lot about the wankers when they put i.e. Beckham higher than Cantona on the list of best Man U players throughout the time. He was sent packing by Leeds when hitting his prime, and for all good players and the not to mention the good team United had in his prime, he was the one who pulled it through natural leadership on and off the pitch.
Anelka... Hmmm I dont think he came along as a cunt when he was here? He was centered with some turmoil both in Arsenal and Real, and really was the centre of his own universe there. But when he was at us he looked to have matured, and he could have kicked away a good Liverpool career. He could have been a natural ingredience in our team, and he could have found some peace for himself in our surroundings. Who knows. He defo have created some turmoil in the WC, but that France squad was not exactly the gel of the universe.... And he was not sent packing from Arsenal i.e. they were just ousted by Real who usually does that when they want their man.
But Adebayor is surplus at both Arse and City. And that is two decent managers who has had enough of him. Well I dont know.... I just dont think he will do us any good of the pitch, and I suspect there is were the new manager will start building his team.
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I think we'll have to agree to disagree, Cantona pulled them through on and off the pitch? He was the catalyst for their teams success, but let's not pretend he was the model pro, he got banned for *ages* for the kung-fu kick.
Regards Anelka, that was my point. He came here with a rep, he was a gobby twat at Arsenal, thought he was better than he was and failed in his 'big move' to Madrid. He came here after he'd been knocked down a peg or two over a couple of years and maybe it was the wake up call he needed. We gave him a chance and regardless of the fact we never took him on, it was more or less a rebirth for him and he's never looked back, he got it together at Bolton and now he's a huge success at Chelsea. He matured in the right environment. Who's to say Adebayor can't do the same?
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That's a good post, Mark. Being at such a cuntish environment as City isn't probably helping him either. A move to somewhere a bit more down to earth might do him a world of good.
Also even if he'd be a bit of a cunt here as well I'm so desperate for quality I'd take him in a heartbeat.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=43407.msg1243053#msg1243053 date=1294216051]
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=43407.msg1243045#msg1243045 date=1294214627]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=43407.msg1243038#msg1243038 date=1294212203]
I'm not gonna disagree about him being a cunt, he clearly is but other 'cunts' have blossomed here too, and at other clubs for that matter. Look at Cantona for instance, or closer to home, Anelka. Sometimes players just need the right environment to settle. I agree we need stability so maybe it's the wrong route to take in that sense, but as a player he's completely ideal as the type of forward we're looking for.
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But look at the two you mentioned. There is no doubt i.e. Cantona was a man who alone could have filled up Old Trafford. His arrogance helped creating his image. I think it says a lot about the wankers when they put i.e. Beckham higher than Cantona on the list of best Man U players throughout the time. He was sent packing by Leeds when hitting his prime, and for all good players and the not to mention the good team United had in his prime, he was the one who pulled it through natural leadership on and off the pitch.
Anelka... Hmmm I dont think he came along as a cunt when he was here? He was centered with some turmoil both in Arsenal and Real, and really was the centre of his own universe there. But when he was at us he looked to have matured, and he could have kicked away a good Liverpool career. He could have been a natural ingredience in our team, and he could have found some peace for himself in our surroundings. Who knows. He defo have created some turmoil in the WC, but that France squad was not exactly the gel of the universe.... And he was not sent packing from Arsenal i.e. they were just ousted by Real who usually does that when they want their man.
But Adebayor is surplus at both Arse and City. And that is two decent managers who has had enough of him. Well I dont know.... I just dont think he will do us any good of the pitch, and I suspect there is were the new manager will start building his team.
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I think we'll have to agree to disagree, Cantona pulled them through on and off the pitch? He was the catalyst for their teams success, but let's not pretend he was the model pro, he got banned for *ages* for the kung-fu kick.
Regards Anelka, that was my point. He came here with a rep, he was a gobby twat at Arsenal, thought he was better than he was and failed in his 'big move' to Madrid. He came here after he'd been knocked down a peg or two over a couple of years and maybe it was the wake up call he needed. We gave him a chance and regardless of the fact we never took him on, it was more or less a rebirth for him and he's never looked back, he got it together at Bolton and now he's a huge success at Chelsea. He matured in the right environment. Who's to say Adebayor can't do the same?
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I think we both agree and disagree... Cantonas suspencion was fair, and he took it fairly. Pretty much the way Robbies bans ( I think was handed a few 6 games bans if not mistaken) were taken fair with no more fuzz. And I never saw as a cunt or a rebel or even if not a model pro, he was still a Pool man through and through.,
For Adebayor? Well , fighting in training, kicikng opponents etc. I have never rated him, but I cant guarantee he will not settle in fine... I just dont believe in it.
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=43407.msg1243045#msg1243045 date=1294214627]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=43407.msg1243038#msg1243038 date=1294212203]
I'm not gonna disagree about him being a cunt, he clearly is but other 'cunts' have blossomed here too, and at other clubs for that matter. Look at Cantona for instance, or closer to home, Anelka. Sometimes players just need the right environment to settle. I agree we need stability so maybe it's the wrong route to take in that sense, but as a player he's completely ideal as the type of forward we're looking for.
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But look at the two you mentioned. There is no doubt i.e. Cantona was a man who alone could have filled up Old Trafford. His arrogance helped creating his image. I think it says a lot about the wankers when they put i.e. Beckham higher than Cantona on the list of best Man U players throughout the time. He was sent packing by Leeds when hitting his prime, and for all good players and the not to mention the good team United had in his prime, he was the one who pulled it through natural leadership on and off the pitch.
Anelka... Hmmm I dont think he came along as a cunt when he was here? He was centered with some turmoil both in Arsenal and Real, and really was the centre of his own universe there. But when he was at us he looked to have matured, and he could have kicked away a good Liverpool career. He could have been a natural ingredience in our team, and he could have found some peace for himself in our surroundings. Who knows. He defo have created some turmoil in the WC, but that France squad was not exactly the gel of the universe.... And he was not sent packing from Arsenal i.e. they were just ousted by Real who usually does that when they want their man.
But Adebayor is surplus at both Arse and City. And that is two decent managers who has had enough of him. Well I dont know.... I just dont think he will do us any good of the pitch, and I suspect there is were the new manager will start building his team.
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I think we'll have to agree to disagree, Cantona pulled them through on and off the pitch? He was the catalyst for their teams success, but let's not pretend he was the model pro, he got banned for *ages* for the kung-fu kick.
Regards Anelka, that was my point. He came here with a rep, he was a gobby twat at Arsenal, thought he was better than he was and failed in his 'big move' to Madrid. He came here after he'd been knocked down a peg or two over a couple of years and maybe it was the wake up call he needed. We gave him a chance and regardless of the fact we never took him on, it was more or less a rebirth for him and he's never looked back, he got it together at Bolton and now he's a huge success at Chelsea. He matured in the right environment. Who's to say Adebayor can't do the same?
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I think we both agree and disagree... Cantonas suspencion was fair, and he took it fairly. Pretty much the way Robbies bans ( I think was handed a few 6 games bans if not mistaken) were taken fair with no more fuzz. And I never saw as a cunt or a rebel or even if not a model pro, he was still a Pool man through and through.,
For Adebayor? Well , fighting in training, kicikng opponents etc. I have never rated him, but I cant guarantee he will not settle in fine... I just dont believe in it.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=43407.msg1243050#msg1243050 date=1294215711]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=43407.msg1243039#msg1243039 date=1294212740]
Completley agree Mark. Can't rule him out just because he's a cunt.
Am I the only one who acutally kind of liked him during the WC?
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Nope, I thought he came across as decent too, kind of surprised me actually.
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If I'd understood all he was saying instead of about 48% of it, I might even have agreed with you. 😉
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=43407.msg1243039#msg1243039 date=1294212740]
Completley agree Mark. Can't rule him out just because he's a cunt.
Am I the only one who acutally kind of liked him during the WC?
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Nope, I thought he came across as decent too, kind of surprised me actually.
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If I'd understood all he was saying instead of about 48% of it, I might even have agreed with you. 😉
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=43407.msg1243039#msg1243039 date=1294212740]
Completley agree Mark. Can't rule him out just because he's a cunt.
Am I the only one who acutally kind of liked him during the WC?
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no, apparently a lot of women liked him because of his frenchy accent. i don't mind him tbh (not for that reason though).
Completley agree Mark. Can't rule him out just because he's a cunt.
Am I the only one who acutally kind of liked him during the WC?
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no, apparently a lot of women liked him because of his frenchy accent. i don't mind him tbh (not for that reason though).
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