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Just completely bamboozled me with a combination of daring, verve and wit.
Who is this fucking plank 'Oliver Twist'? He seems to be very thick, but not quite odd enough to be a joke poster.
Anyone know?
Anyone know?
Can you just quit it please?
He is a member of the Tory party, they are all cunts.. so its to be expected..
3 games would be 7 games too late and would show FSG up for what they are, clueless on the footballing side
That's not fair Mark -he did try to give a blundering penalty away at Arsenal - People really are overthinking this. Ship Lucas out of the team and play Ings up front with Benteke .
Good post. The ridiculous cost of tickets prices factor can't be underestimated.
Working class people who work their bollocks off all week to make ends meet first and foremost, but also to watch their team every Saturday or every other Saturday.
It's what fans have lived for, for decades, and through rising tickets prices they've been forced to stop going as regularly or stopped altogether. No figures or anything to back this up but you read and hear about it all the time, and it's no surprise really. People simply can't afford to go.
There's just a real disconnect between Fans and Football Clubs/players nowadays and that results in poor atmospheres and a crowd that gets on the players back. Moans and groans of discontent every time a player miscontrols the ball or gives it away...I've paid £50 to watch that lad who's on £80k a week DO THAT. Rightly or wrongly that's what it's like nowadays.
There's about half a dozen other reasons/explanations for a lot of things about modern day football being shite.
I still get the same buzz of the 90 minutes of football itself, but it's the whole charade around it that is unappealing to say the least.
Football clubs are happy to treat us like consumers at every opportunity. Look at the latest flag registration bullshit our club has served up.
They shouldn't complain then if we express dissatisfaction with the product they are selling.
If a young movie star makes a shitty movie do people still go and watch so that he is not discouraged. Football stars are in the same territory. Stevie G was the last footballer to which I had an emotional connection to.
Spot on. They'd far rather if Anfield had 40,000 clueless tourists spending a fuckload in the Club Shop before the game than 40,000 passionate Reds who are their for the match and the match only and whom are far more likely to be from a working class background, will have been on the Ale and will create more of a noise.
Don't get me wrong football is for everyone, and the Club need to generate revenue to keep the Club in good financial place but it seems it's at the expense of the working class football fan.
The sad thing is it looks like it'll only get worse(flag registration shite as you mention the latest fiasco they're kicking up about) and it appears there's nothing anyone can do about it.
I thought that we had a flag registration scheme in place for a few years now - what is the latest issue?
Liverpool will meet with Spion Kop members after club angers fans with new flag rules
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Jordan Chamberlain
One of the greatest things about our club is seeing the flags waving on the Kop before kick-off, but senselessly, the pencil pushers have tried to add barriers to fans who’ve been doing it for years.
Versus West Ham you may have noticed an absence of them, as the Spion Kop 306 group chose to not wave some in protest.
The group went on the claim: “LFC have requested for us to sign a register and wear accreditation to wave our flags. We are disappointed with this and are hoping to meet with the club in the coming weeks to resolve. All we want to do is support the club like always. We hope the club see sense.”
Naturally, there’s been quite an uproar. There’s never been a problem with the flags before, so why does the club need to create one for some of its most loyal supporters?
But thankfully, the club has agreed to meet members of the Spion Kop in an attempt to resolve the issue, the Echo reports.
“We welcome the chance to engage with the club on this issue and hope we reach a common sense agreement,” the Spion Kop replied.
“The match-going supporter already has enough obstacles to overcome without more being added so hopefully common sense will prevail.”
We can only hope that by agreeing to speak with fans, the club has seen sense – and is keen to put a stop to the legislation which is irritating supporters so greatly.
It’ll be interesting to see the flags on the Kop before our next home match, against Norwich, to say the least.
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Jordan Chamberlain
One of the greatest things about our club is seeing the flags waving on the Kop before kick-off, but senselessly, the pencil pushers have tried to add barriers to fans who’ve been doing it for years.
Versus West Ham you may have noticed an absence of them, as the Spion Kop 306 group chose to not wave some in protest.
The group went on the claim: “LFC have requested for us to sign a register and wear accreditation to wave our flags. We are disappointed with this and are hoping to meet with the club in the coming weeks to resolve. All we want to do is support the club like always. We hope the club see sense.”
Naturally, there’s been quite an uproar. There’s never been a problem with the flags before, so why does the club need to create one for some of its most loyal supporters?
But thankfully, the club has agreed to meet members of the Spion Kop in an attempt to resolve the issue, the Echo reports.
“We welcome the chance to engage with the club on this issue and hope we reach a common sense agreement,” the Spion Kop replied.
“The match-going supporter already has enough obstacles to overcome without more being added so hopefully common sense will prevail.”
We can only hope that by agreeing to speak with fans, the club has seen sense – and is keen to put a stop to the legislation which is irritating supporters so greatly.
It’ll be interesting to see the flags on the Kop before our next home match, against Norwich, to say the least.
It's a mountain out of a molehill with people trying to stir up shite when there's no shite to stir. As I said the flag registration has been in place for years - perhaps they are having to be stricter with its enforcement. I had an umbrella confiscated off me a few years ago and you can't take a bottle of water with a lid on into the ground - so I'm sure some cunt with two twelve foot poles needs some sort of permission
Regards
"Technically flags and flagpoles are not allowed to be taken into stadiums in the UK but at Liverpool Football Club we make an exception. However, what is not allowed is fans bringing big sticks, poles, tubes or other items that could be classed as offensive weapons."
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"Technically flags and flagpoles are not allowed to be taken into stadiums in the UK but at Liverpool Football Club we make an exception. However, what is not allowed is fans bringing big sticks, poles, tubes or other items that could be classed as offensive weapons."
I think so - what possible sinister motive could they have?
Hmm, dunno. Possibly some fans complaining to Stewards/The Club about these flags obstructing their view during the match.
Or maybe the Club didn't take too kindly to a few flags/banners on show last season about ticket prices and shit. 'customers not fans', and another about Thomas Cook being money grabbing cunts basically.
if that's what it could be flags supporting the team and our history are one thing political statements is another - particularly as I have a number of shares in Thomas Cooke [emoji48]
What's the definition of a working class football fan?
It's not an individual thing. Fans of Clubs in the North of England especially have had a reputation for being working class with many Industrial Cities and towns. None more so than Liverpool and Manchester.
A real piss ant, apparently...
That doesn't really answer the question, Gary. What's a working class football fan? Is it a wealth thing or is the definition a lot simpler and it's just someone that likes football that works?
Or is it a class thing where working class is seemed as the people that did the fundamental work and the higher class (like royalty) did the state work, with the middle class somewhere in between?
If you look at the mega trends across the world you'll see that the middle class are growing and they can afford more such as traveling for holidays and buying football tickets. So for Liverpool to survive, the owners should be sensible and attract more of those people.
Now that is a very good question [emoji102]
It's a much bigger question than can be answered in relation to football.
I personally think the Marxist definition of working class is most accurate, but I don't refer to working class in that regard in conversation or debate because very few people share that definition.
I stopped reading the thread when I thought someone insinuated losing to Man U would be good and that Jose Enrique should be installed back as our left back.
I heartily disagree on both counts. You don't remove a young player this early who has shown that much promise after the whole team had a shocker against West Ham. Not one shot on target and someone takes aim at an 18 year old full back? Nah, all wrong.
As for losing to Utd or thinking it could be good. Well I'm not sure that can be dignified with a response.
I heartily disagree on both counts. You don't remove a young player this early who has shown that much promise after the whole team had a shocker against West Ham. Not one shot on target and someone takes aim at an 18 year old full back? Nah, all wrong.
As for losing to Utd or thinking it could be good. Well I'm not sure that can be dignified with a response.
The British class system has been turned on its head since the days of 100,000 "working class people" all throwing their caps in the air when someone scored. I don't think there is a defined working class as such in the UK these days Jon
I understand the question. Whilst this is sort of stating obvious, I'd say it's a fan from a working class background who emmm loves their football and going to watch them every weekend or every other weekend or whatever.
Football in England has up until recent years always had a reputation for being the people's game, that could be bollocks, but that's the reputation it has/had.
Now the need to keep up with the City, Chelsea, United, Arsenal etc is the no1 priority to the Club but there's plenty of figures and what not knocking about which suggests there's absolutely no need for Football Clubs to charge as much as they do for match tickets. Hence you have the various supporters groups, not only Spirit of Shankly, but from Everton, United, Arsenal etc campaigning for a reduction.
A few protests were arranged last season, there'll probably be more next season, and the call for ticket prices being reduced will only grow with the new £5.14 billion TV deal kicking in next season.
That's the most agonising thing, as the sponsorship & tv deals spiral, the ticket prices, whilst obscene & out of many people's grasp, are tiny in comparison.
I think there would be a fair argument long term that could justify a massive price reduction or free seats for kids, in terms of future revenue created by those fans as they age.
There's going to be a problem in ten to twenty years time imo, as there won't be anywhere near as many younger fans going. The number of kids at anfield now is tiny, even if they carry on going for a while, that won't be the hardcore support that finds them spending all their spare cash on tickets when they get older.
I think there would be a fair argument long term that could justify a massive price reduction or free seats for kids, in terms of future revenue created by those fans as they age.
There's going to be a problem in ten to twenty years time imo, as there won't be anywhere near as many younger fans going. The number of kids at anfield now is tiny, even if they carry on going for a while, that won't be the hardcore support that finds them spending all their spare cash on tickets when they get older.
Absolutely. That's when the Premiership bubble may burst. It's what bubbles do.
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