your personal opinion with regards to sacking
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They were in it since September.
Yes, and it's a stupid point, Kenny had us riding high last season. Di Matteo has it all to again if he gets a full season, and as you rightly pointed out, they were already in the CL and progressed well when he took over. We sacked Hodgson, had virtually no chance of getting in Europe and have got to two cup finals. It's all about perspective. *And no, I'm not saying the league campaign is good enough, but I can't help laying into that miserable, moaning cunt. Didn't see him around after we won the Semi last week. Quelle Surprise.
That hmmmmm1 guy who shows up either when we're getting beat or when there's a thread about sacking Kenny. He's 'nearly' Sven.
Why are you acting like a cunt every time I post something?
I was full of praise for the cup wins and have been all season. Though you choose to ignore this now you have agenda.
I don't get this **super fan** bollocks from you every time, its rather embarrassing..........
What **super fan** bollocks? There's plenty of posters who've ripped into Kenny and the team throughout the season, myself included. It's just there's more in the locker with most than just moaning and labouring the same tired point over and over again.
The only time I've noticed you around is in the match threads moaning or jumping on anything remotely to do with Kenny with the same point.
He has been acting like a grade A cunt following me round site everytime I dare to post anothing neagtive about our league form.
He has been acting like a grade A cunt following me round site everytime I dare to post anothing neagtive about our league form.
Read through ALL my posts on site before you going round posting this WUM nonsense, its frankly getting quite annoying.
It's been pretty noticeable Hmmmmm1, maybe I've only caught that side of your posting and if that's the case, then fair enough, I'll stop being the cunt, it just comes across that way. It's been a shit season and I know I'm frustrated and I've ripped into the club enough times for it in the match threads, but we all know the score, there's not much we can do now until the end of the season when we regroup or make changes. Let's just hope whatever we go for, it's the right decision.
We are all fustrated with league form this season, its made worse by everyone else dropping points.
Though some of the football played this season has been amazing, pass and move. A pure delight to Ged/Rafa years, makes think o fmid 90's under Evans, then we had a Fowler.
With the right signings we could go be right in the mix next season, though if we make the wrong signings we could be mid table again and could decline further.
I remember a few years ago when Gerard was almost super human in his efforts under Ged to carry us to 4th place, we dont have the luxury of him doing this again and players like Suarez are really one off.
My fear is we waste money this transfer window on the wrong signings again.
Though as fans we live in hope that this window it will all be different......
That's the frustration, but it's also a worry. We could make a couple of key signings and push on, I don't think we're as far short as the league table suggests. That said, Kenny has made some baffling selections with his lineups and it's cost us. So do we trust him to buy well AND implement that correctly into the team each week? Going off last Summers transfer window and our subsequent league form, I'd have to say no. We've still had players there capable of winning more often than we have, particularly at Anfield, but he's been stubborn and too often conservative with his choice of wide men. Why buy Carroll and then rarely play him in the same side as Downing? Why sell Meireles and then not play our only other midfielder that has good movement off the ball (Maxi). I slated Rafa for exactly the same things and I thought, or expected, Kenny to return to the basics and not over-complicate things, but it seems he's gone from having us playing with a winning, pass and move mentality, to trying to force square pegs into round holes, and that didn't wash over the last decade with Ged and Rafa so it's not going to start happening now.
It's a simple game, either he returns to the basics, buys a perfect XI and works around that, or he goes, because another season of tinkering and fucking around with nearly men is going to cost him and his reputation.
It's a simple game, either he returns to the basics, buys a perfect XI and works around that, or he goes, because another season of tinkering and fucking around with nearly men is going to cost him and his reputation.
hmmmm1 and marky sitting in a tree
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When your manager looks at the 35 million pound sack of drunken shit that he's paid for and thinks 'I know what we need!', and then goes and spends a further 20 million on a cunt winger that can supposedly cross the ball onto his head.
And then watches as that 55million pound combo don't combine once all season. Not fucking once.
Dark age thinking, signings, tactics, and management.
Have I made my point now? Yep, I probably have. I'm almost boring myself.
And then watches as that 55million pound combo don't combine once all season. Not fucking once.
Dark age thinking, signings, tactics, and management.
Have I made my point now? Yep, I probably have. I'm almost boring myself.
that's not true, downing has assisted carroll twice.
Heh... it's not even getting close to the point anyway.
Dalglish is culpable because neither of them are good enough and he's not really bothered playing them together anyway. The partnership argument is pointless because it hasn't been given a chance, so I don't know why it keeps being used as a stick to beat Kenny with, if that was the idea we'd have seen it tried alot more than we have.
The crux of the issue is we've vastly overpaid for inferior players.
Dalglish is culpable because neither of them are good enough and he's not really bothered playing them together anyway. The partnership argument is pointless because it hasn't been given a chance, so I don't know why it keeps being used as a stick to beat Kenny with, if that was the idea we'd have seen it tried alot more than we have.
The crux of the issue is we've vastly overpaid for inferior players.
Ypu, thats about it.
He's spent 120M odd and we've got one good player. That's fucking horrendous in my book.
true, but for me the gray area is will this players get better? I look at henderson (for example) and to me he looks a player, he goes missing a lot but there are aspects of his play that are excellent especially for a young player. the people that are dogging him now may be made to look foolish in a few years time just they were made to look foolish with regards to lucas. so in the cold light of day that 100m looks like money wasted the question is will that be the case in a couple of years time?
That might all be true Neil. The problem was and is, we have key players on the decline and we've lost a few really top drawer players over the last few seasons, so we needed a leg up now. There's no justification really for the policy of spending what could have bought instant hits, on younger 'maybes'. And Downing.
We might reap the rewards over time with Carroll and Henderson, I don't really see them haven't significant an impact to justify the outlay, for instance, Carroll is never going to be as good a forward for us as Torres was, Henderson isn't going to replace Alonso/Mascherano/Gerrard - THAT standard of player.
I'm not ripping into their future, they might prove good over time, but we've needed a massive investment in improving the quality of the first team in the here and now. The money was there and we've blown it. Again.
We might reap the rewards over time with Carroll and Henderson, I don't really see them haven't significant an impact to justify the outlay, for instance, Carroll is never going to be as good a forward for us as Torres was, Henderson isn't going to replace Alonso/Mascherano/Gerrard - THAT standard of player.
I'm not ripping into their future, they might prove good over time, but we've needed a massive investment in improving the quality of the first team in the here and now. The money was there and we've blown it. Again.
we have blown money but the seeing as we are in a thread about sacking the question is whether tha manager should lose his job over it. pointless asking that question to ryan as he has long since made up his mind. personally speaking I try and take a long term view of everything, we aren't best team when we lose and we aren't the worst team when we win. I take a long term view on young players as well (as long as they show potential). there is absolutely no question we could have spent the money better but I wouldn't be so quick to write of all the players yet or the manager for that matter.
If they make it in the longterm I'm sure people will give Kenny credit. That's not really the issue, the issue was whether Kenny has made the correct decisions for us and part of that was deciding what was important, the longterm future of the club (and it's still debatable whether those two improve us on that note) or building on an impressive finish to last season by adding quality on quality to push on this season for Champions League football?
Instead he's bought and played Henderson when he's clearly looked out of his depth
80% of the time, and we've had a £35m forward either sat on the bench or blowing hot and cold (mostly cold) on the pitch.
Instead he's bought and played Henderson when he's clearly looked out of his depth
80% of the time, and we've had a £35m forward either sat on the bench or blowing hot and cold (mostly cold) on the pitch.
but the question is do you take a long term view on a manager or a short term view?
if you made a business plan for 3 years would you rip up that business plan if you peformed less than expected in year 1?
also I fail to see why people bring up hodgeson and if we're willing to give kenny time why didn't we give hodgeson time, well for me at least his style of play is not something I wanted to be ingrained into the players long term the situation is different with kenny because his style of play is actually something very close to what I personally want to see (pitiful finishing aside).
I also wanted to keep rafa because his style of play in 2009 is almost exactly what I want to see and that is why I would have no problem with him returning. personnel counts for a lot with me but first and foremost is a long term plan, players come and go.
There's differing circumstances Neil. We lost alot of good players in a short space of time and Carragher, Gerrard, Maxi and Kuyt are all on the wain, we needed quality adding to the squad NOW. If you're winning on the pitch and your first team is 'good' then you can add to that. It more difficult adding quality to a squad that's been assembled with a view to it coming good in a few years. Ask Arsenal, they've been suffering on that note for a good 7 or 8 years. Look at the position we are in now, we've bought young, inexperienced, overpriced players and we've failed massively in the league by our standards, now it is going to be doubly difficult to add top players to that. Whereas, with hindsight admittedly, if we'd bought quality last season (and yeah, I know there are no guarantees), we'd have stood a better chance in the league and then perhaps might have been in a position to make the odd tweak and bring in some up and coming players. Instead we have it all to do and if anything we're even further behind in the short-term.
I'd like to point out that isn't just the players we need to buy. There's an urgent need to identify a footballing style and formation on which we want to build a team. That's really the starting point for identifying the kind of talent you want to bring to the club.
I've struggled to see much evidence of that this season. That needs to be identified asap, whether by Kenny, the new DOF or a new manager.
I've struggled to see much evidence of that this season. That needs to be identified asap, whether by Kenny, the new DOF or a new manager.
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