enrique, adam, downing, bellamy bought for the short term and you can argue 2 of the three are a relative success.
suarez, henderson, carroll, coates bought for the long term with one of the 4 a success (one with little game and).
your personal opinion with regards to sacking
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enrique, adam, downing, bellamy bought for the short term and you can argue 2 of the three are a relative success.
suarez, henderson, carroll, coates bought for the long term with one of the 4 a success (one with little game and).
And does the fact the director of football has been sacked not tell you anything?
I know Kenny has said they were his targets, but is that not rather than destroying Comollis reputation?
I dont know obviously, but for me if a club (and by club i mean one of two men) sign 120m worth of talent and that talent totally fails and then ONE of those two men is sacked.....
Maybe im being daft but Comollis sacking would indicate to me its he whos fucked up with the spending.
Kenny is fucking up with the tactics obviously but all the tactics in the world wouldnt polish this turd any more.
And I know you make your own luck and the table doesnt lie etc yadda, but honestly we have been ONE goalscorer away from being about 15 to 20 points better off. If Carroll had performed we wouldnt be where we are. Its not a huge failing, weve just failed to score goals. That will be addressed in summer and we will see.
It's true - with one goal poacher we would have been 15-20 points stronger, and I am not being funny when I say this, but that would take us to our minimum target, but can you believe we would still be another 15-20 points off United and Citeh. We've lost 12 games this year. Has that happened before?
In 2005, Benitez's first season in charge, we finished thirty seven points off the top, exactly the same as we are now.
I don't recall too many people calling for Rafa to go based on a dismal league campaign.
Aye both very similar with lots o new signings like Luis Garcia - can't forget that semi final goal vs Chelsea or goal vs Juvenile in CL
Apart from Bren's infamous "Thanks for....." thread.
my favorite player in the past 20 years. Pure silk
Ah yes. Legendary?
even though our season went tits up in 2005 (in the league) you could see what liverpool were trying to achieve with their style of play, I was more than willing to give rafa time even if we'd lost in the CL final.
There were such significant differences though
1. We won the CL, a trophy with 10 times the combined worth of the FA Cup and the Carling Cup. On the way, we had some of the most memorable nights in the history of the club.
2. He hadn't spunked about 100 million on mediocrity and one good player. Rather, he spent about 26 million on Alonso, Garcia, Josemi, Morientes, Nunez, Pellegrino and Carson. Those who failed were largely dirt cheap. And Alonso and Garcia brought to the club something that we'd lacked for years.
3. He took some of Houllier's donkeys (Traore and Biscan) and actually made them look like footballers
4. There was a conscious effort to move away from the absolutely turgid football Ged used to get us to play. Even within a season, you could see we were moving towards a definitive footballing style and vision (different story that it didn't work out eventually).
5. 5th is better than 8th
Ok, but I think it's pretty difficult to argue that Kenny and Rafa's first seasons were comparable. We can argue about the rest, but the CL win and the difference in the volume of money squandered in the transfer market alone are big enough differences to ensure that.
Well mate, I can't be bothered getting into it but this "one goalscorer shy of blah blah blah..." argument is utter nonsense, and I personally think Comolli was made the scapegoat.
I'm glad dmishra has already put this fuckng mess of a post in its place.
Not disagreeing with you mate, I doubt anyone would swap Istanbul for five seasons of FA Cups and League cups.
But the contention of some people seem to be that Kenny should go based purely on league form despite it being somewhat similar to Rafa's first season in charge.
Its not nonsense and you know it.
We have the third best defence in the league, the second best for shots and one of the worst for conversion. We SHOULD have won so many more games than we have but for rank profligacy and thats a fact.
Since we won the CC its gone to utter shit with a lot of players thinking about summer which is pretty shameful but we have ONLY struggled in the main part to score goals
You might be right, maybe Comolli was a scapegoat, none of us know, but either he or Kenny was responsible and he got sacked.
Ps-Youre coming across as a bit mental and hateful about Kenny.
No one is happy about the disasterous league campaign, but most of us arent into Kenny every chance we get.
Youre steadfastly refusing to see anything mitigating or to see anything positive and instead smashing your tactically inept drum.
Its petty and hateful and Brendanlike and you are faaaar better than that.
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No one is happy about the disasterous league campaign, but most of us arent into Kenny every chance we get.
Youre steadfastly refusing to see anything mitigating or to see anything positive and instead smashing your tactically inept drum.
Its petty and hateful and Brendanlike and you are faaaar better than that.
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FWIW I think that the owners had to make some kind of statement that the results have not been good enough, and Comolli was the only man who could be sacked without impacting on the team and results in a negative manner. If it were june with nothing to play for instead of april with a final on the horizon, then I'm certain Kenny would have been moved upstairs or downstairs or wherever. The Yanks are no mugs and won't tolerate underperformance, but clearly are not stupid enough to sack a manager with a trophy to play for. So I think Ryan is a bit right with regards Comolli being a scapegoat, but only for now. I don't think we have seen the last of their dissatisfaction.
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Yep, I agree with pretty much all of that.
Alot of Houllier's players played and contributed in both.
In Rafa's first season he signed some very good players and some mediocre players (but for fuck all). Alonso went on to be a cornerstone of our success in the sunsequent years and is widely regarded as a great signing and Garcia excited us all and brought something different to the team. Rafa also showed tremendous tactical acumen in Europe his first season and won the CL.
I don't think thats comparable with Dalglish. Dalglish bought poorly, very poorly indeed and hasn't exacty impressed tactically either.
So I think there are the reasons why some people were happy to give Rafa more time than they want to give Kenny.
I'm also inclined to fall somewhere inbetween the "all we need is to be more clinical in front of goal" and the "everything is shit" camps. Clearly if we'd had a but more competence in front of goal we wouldn't be in as bad a position as we are now. However, there's also clearly something about the way we're playing that leaves us huffing and puffing for 90 minutes without scoring very many, it's not just the players. It's like we're playing a system that everyone else figured out how to counter years ago. A new striker isn't going to fix that.
I don't think thats comparable with Dalglish. Dalglish bought poorly, very poorly indeed and hasn't exacty impressed tactically either.
So I think there are the reasons why some people were happy to give Rafa more time than they want to give Kenny.
I'm also inclined to fall somewhere inbetween the "all we need is to be more clinical in front of goal" and the "everything is shit" camps. Clearly if we'd had a but more competence in front of goal we wouldn't be in as bad a position as we are now. However, there's also clearly something about the way we're playing that leaves us huffing and puffing for 90 minutes without scoring very many, it's not just the players. It's like we're playing a system that everyone else figured out how to counter years ago. A new striker isn't going to fix that.
Fair enough like, but it's not a tactically inept drum.
You just said that but didn't really mean it didn't you?
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