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from your personal point of view (forget what other people think) when 'you' say enough is enough?
when results are too bad?
when you think the manager no longer has anything to offer?
when players aren't giving their all anymore?
when you can no longer see the manager in charge winning the league regardless of how much time he has?
 
We should never sack a manager because then we'll just become another club, lose our identity, end up in an endless cycle of sacking managers when our absurdly unrealistic expectations don't get ......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
 
keniget said:
We should never sack a manager because then we'll just become another club, lose our identity, end up in an endless cycle of sacking managers when our absurdly unrealistic expectations don't get ......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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when do you think it's time, keni?
 
keniget said:
We should never sack a manager because then we'll just become another club, lose our identity, end up in an endless cycle of sacking managers when our absurdly unrealistic expectations don't get ......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Weve got that sown up in Newcastle, of you want any counselling let me know
 
Lots of things come into consideration. I'd usually not want to sack any manager if they were winning trophies though.
 
from a personal point of view I want to see progress but the fundamental thing I want to see is a vision of where we are going to end up. that's how I can absolve myself of wanting rid of hodgeson despite one season when I always think a manager should be given time.
I could see where rafa was taking the club when he first joined (the apex being the 09 season), hodge would have turned us into a kick and rush team. I can 'kinda' see what kenny wants to do but our finishing is badly letting us down.

so basically,
1. progress
2. I have to buy into the tactics the manager ultimately wants to achieve

the manager fails to do either of the above and for me personally, it's time.
for the record, I've never wanted a manager sacked, expect hodgeson.
 
With Ged it was down to the utter lack of ideas and the complete aimlessness of the way we played. At the end of his era, I've never seen such shocking witlessness. A good man who did many fine things, but that final year or so was like a slow death. Rafa's team also atrophied badly in terms of the shape of the team. Even now we seem far more positive than either of those sides. If we had someone who was a genuinely clinical finisher we'd be in a better position to judge what Clarke and Dalglish are trying to do.
 
We all don't want a repeat of this season, but we need some positive momentum. What comprises positive momentum?

Well - if you learn from last seasons upward turn in mood, it was
  • Playing an attacking brand of football
  • United team spirit (I see no reason to think that is not the case)
  • Bringing through the youth in numbers (what happened to Robinson and Flanagan?)
  • Making positive, flair signings (not compromises)
  • Scoring goals, winning games (remember the Fulham win last April?)
  • Winning Trophies

I think Kenny has obviously the right brand of football in his bag, but for some reason we're not playing it. We're not blooding enough youngsters (yes I do see Jono, Kelly, and Spearing), we're not making good signings, and because of the obviously appalling striker situation (which for the life of me I can't understand why we didn't fix in January) we're not going to win games. Finally, there is an argument that winning the F.A. Cup, if it happens (and I hope Chelsea make the CL final to distract them), two trophies gives a bad season some momentum.

In fact, I would argue it feels quite like Rafa's first season in the bi polarity of it all. So why does a team that rises to the occasion in the cup do so badly in the league. And again, this is like Rafa's first season.

The Suarez thing definitely was a massive detractor for us as well.

So should Kenny get the chop? I don't think so, especially if he wins the final. FSV will also handle him with kid gloves as we have seen anyway.

The question of Kenny's future for me revolves around one thing: Is he learning from his mistakes, and will he buy better players. I would tend to think he will learn from this, although we will only see this with the actual purchases. But enough of the trying to turn mid table players in their late 20's into premiership stars. Hasn't worked. Fingers crossed for a win on May 5.
 
A good rule of thumb is if your manager's surname begins "Mc" or "Mac" cf Alex McLeish, Steve MacLaren, Ally McCoist or Stuart McPearce it's time for them to go.
 
IMHO we definitely have the makings of a good team, there's a good spine there. BUT, again, no flair players bar one, and no goal-poachers. Our track record with signing strikers and attacking midfielders in the past 10 years has been pretty bad mind. Torres and Suarez are the only standouts. Everyone else of note, is a fans choice or we wish could be younger (Bellers).
 
The only "flair" players we've had in the past 20 years are Barnes, Macca, Garcia and Suarez IMO.
So are we gonna have two belonging to the same generation in the same team next season for once?
I surely hope so.
 
localny said:
IMHO we definitely have the makings of a good team, there's a good spine there. BUT, again, no flair players bar one, and no goal-poachers. Our track record with signing strikers and attacking midfielders in the past 10 years has been pretty bad mind. Torres and Suarez are the only standouts. Everyone else of note, is a fans choice or we wish could be younger (Bellers).
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surely it's about purchasing 'effective' players rather than 'flair' players?
 
I wouldn't go round sacking anyone in from my current position, I wouldn't be sure enough of myself and I couldn't stand in a boardroom and fire my boyhood hero. But if I was the lizards I'd sack Kenny now. I mean if I'd bought the Red Sox - a massive team I kinda know about a few thousand miles playing a sport I don't know about, just as the lizards have done with us, and then I'd watched as the management team blew all my money on a load of players who were objectively overvalued and subjectively fucking shit - and we'd ended up lower in the league than the season before and not met objective 1 - which would be to enter the major competition where all the talent wants to be and all the money is - then I wouldn't have to know much about the sport, I'd just sack whoever was in charge and hire someone better.

I mean I might only have been toying with the idea when we'd been a bit unlucky early in the season, but following home league defeats by baseball equivalents of Wigan and West Brom at this stage in the season, when teething problems with signings are meant to be well fixed, I'd have got the ball rolling. I wouldn't give a fuck what the fans of the Red Sox thought if they had some old skool hero in charge that they all loved. All that sentimental shit would mean nothing.
 
As with many others on here I think the Manager should be sacked as soon as we feel upset by an adverse result, especially after coming to the conclusion that he's guilty of deliberate incompetence which anyone could have forewarned him of.

Football Managers need to be accountable to vastly more knowledgeable fans, especially if they've got the internet and can type.

We should ignore any mitigating circumstances or the Managers suitability and experience by saying 'there's no excuse' and reminding everybody of how they told us this would happen.

So I advocate the main criteria for sacking a Manager as 'how we feel' collectively, perhaps after an internet poll. Make the process more democratic and wouldn't leave matters to 'professionals' who have an uncanny ability to not see the wood for the trees.
 
jexykrodic said:
As with many others on here I think the Manager should be sacked as soon as we feel upset by an adverse result, especially after coming to the conclusion that he's guilty of deliberate incompetence which anyone could have forewarned him of.

Football Managers need to be accountable to vastly more knowledgeable fans, especially if they've got the internet and can type.

We should ignore any mitigating circumstances or the Managers suitability and experience by saying 'there's no excuse' and reminding everybody of how they told us this would happen.

So I advocate the main criteria for sacking a Manager as 'how we feel' collectively, perhaps after an internet poll. Make the process more democratic and wouldn't leave matters to 'professionals' who have an uncanny ability to not see the wood for the trees.
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that's directed at ryan, isn't it?
 
keniget said:
We should never sack a manager because then we'll just become another club, lose our identity, end up in an endless cycle of sacking managers when our absurdly unrealistic expectations don't get ......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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I think that's exaggerating the point. I don't think many were against Rafa, Ged or Evans going. It tends to become obvious when the time is right, that doesn't detract from the notion that managers also deserve time in many instances.
 
Chelsea sack another manager and they are now in the champions league final😡

P.s thanks to Leo to spotting my error
 
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