You could argue there'd be no-one better than a Chilean to dig us out of a hole.
Who would you bring in?
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=42145.msg1200202#msg1200202 date=1287428084]
SANTIAGO, Chile, oct. 18 (UPI) - The Chilean coach Manuel Pellegrini is one of the candidates to take on the Liverpool bench.
Chilean newspaper El Mercudio said that despite the former coach of Real Madrid has indicated that, at least until January, does not want to run, his name reappeared in the orbit of the "reds."
The popular club of England is immersed in a sporting crisis and is in the penultimate position of the Premier League with 6 points in eight games.
While the British press says there are two clear candidates to replace Hodgson: Pellegrini and the current coach of Turkey, the Dutch Gus Hiddink.
http://espanol.upi.com/Deportes/2010...671287420420/?
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Redshrek won't be pleased ....
SANTIAGO, Chile, oct. 18 (UPI) - The Chilean coach Manuel Pellegrini is one of the candidates to take on the Liverpool bench.
Chilean newspaper El Mercudio said that despite the former coach of Real Madrid has indicated that, at least until January, does not want to run, his name reappeared in the orbit of the "reds."
The popular club of England is immersed in a sporting crisis and is in the penultimate position of the Premier League with 6 points in eight games.
While the British press says there are two clear candidates to replace Hodgson: Pellegrini and the current coach of Turkey, the Dutch Gus Hiddink.
http://espanol.upi.com/Deportes/2010...671287420420/?
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Redshrek won't be pleased ....
would love a young hungry manager with fresh ideas (in combination of NESV's program that helped rod sox) but would tha board want to gamble the long term future of the club with someone who has little experience (like emery)?
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42145.msg1200207#msg1200207 date=1287428190]
would love a young hungry manager with fresh ideas (in combination of NESV's program that helped rod sox) but would tha board want to gamble the long term future of the club with someone who has little experience (like emery)?
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If you build it up right (and along the lines of what they've done with the Red Sox) you're not gambling the long term future of the club on a young unproven manager. You're putting a strong structure around him and asking him to train the team, and pick the 11 and tactics for the game. He can't do too much harm there.
would love a young hungry manager with fresh ideas (in combination of NESV's program that helped rod sox) but would tha board want to gamble the long term future of the club with someone who has little experience (like emery)?
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If you build it up right (and along the lines of what they've done with the Red Sox) you're not gambling the long term future of the club on a young unproven manager. You're putting a strong structure around him and asking him to train the team, and pick the 11 and tactics for the game. He can't do too much harm there.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42145.msg1200205#msg1200205 date=1287428168]
You could argue there'd be no-one better than a Chilean to dig us out of a hole.
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tee hee
You could argue there'd be no-one better than a Chilean to dig us out of a hole.
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tee hee
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42145.msg1200211#msg1200211 date=1287428300]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42145.msg1200207#msg1200207 date=1287428190]
would love a young hungry manager with fresh ideas (in combination of NESV's program that helped rod sox) but would tha board want to gamble the long term future of the club with someone who has little experience (like emery)?
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If you build it up right (and along the lines of what they've done with the Red Sox) you're not gambling the long term future of the club on a young unproven manager. You're putting a strong structure around him and asking him to train the team, and pick the 11 and tactics for the game. He can't do too much harm there.
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I really want us to go down this road, it will be obvious to the fans the plan is long term and as long as we see evolution you will get patience. the next long term appointment is crutial as I really don't want us to become a 'sacking' team.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42145.msg1200207#msg1200207 date=1287428190]
would love a young hungry manager with fresh ideas (in combination of NESV's program that helped rod sox) but would tha board want to gamble the long term future of the club with someone who has little experience (like emery)?
[/quote]
If you build it up right (and along the lines of what they've done with the Red Sox) you're not gambling the long term future of the club on a young unproven manager. You're putting a strong structure around him and asking him to train the team, and pick the 11 and tactics for the game. He can't do too much harm there.
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I really want us to go down this road, it will be obvious to the fans the plan is long term and as long as we see evolution you will get patience. the next long term appointment is crutial as I really don't want us to become a 'sacking' team.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42145.msg1200211#msg1200211 date=1287428300]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42145.msg1200207#msg1200207 date=1287428190]
would love a young hungry manager with fresh ideas (in combination of NESV's program that helped rod sox) but would tha board want to gamble the long term future of the club with someone who has little experience (like emery)?
[/quote]
If you build it up right (and along the lines of what they've done with the Red Sox) you're not gambling the long term future of the club on a young unproven manager. You're putting a strong structure around him and asking him to train the team, and pick the 11 and tactics for the game. He can't do too much harm there.
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I'd have said there was a fair bit of scope for doing damage even with a brief like that. If the newcomer were to act as no.2 to an experienced guy (be it Kenny or whoever) who's proven at high level first, I'd be happier about the idea.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42145.msg1200207#msg1200207 date=1287428190]
would love a young hungry manager with fresh ideas (in combination of NESV's program that helped rod sox) but would tha board want to gamble the long term future of the club with someone who has little experience (like emery)?
[/quote]
If you build it up right (and along the lines of what they've done with the Red Sox) you're not gambling the long term future of the club on a young unproven manager. You're putting a strong structure around him and asking him to train the team, and pick the 11 and tactics for the game. He can't do too much harm there.
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I'd have said there was a fair bit of scope for doing damage even with a brief like that. If the newcomer were to act as no.2 to an experienced guy (be it Kenny or whoever) who's proven at high level first, I'd be happier about the idea.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42145.msg1200214#msg1200214 date=1287428568]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42145.msg1200211#msg1200211 date=1287428300]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42145.msg1200207#msg1200207 date=1287428190]
would love a young hungry manager with fresh ideas (in combination of NESV's program that helped rod sox) but would tha board want to gamble the long term future of the club with someone who has little experience (like emery)?
[/quote]
If you build it up right (and along the lines of what they've done with the Red Sox) you're not gambling the long term future of the club on a young unproven manager. You're putting a strong structure around him and asking him to train the team, and pick the 11 and tactics for the game. He can't do too much harm there.
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I'd have said there was a fair bit of scope for doing damage even with a brief like that. If the newcomer were to act as no.2 to an experienced guy (be it Kenny or whoever) who's proven at high level first, I'd be happier about the idea.
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if you are going to make sweeping changes you may as well go all the way rather than attempting to dip your toe in the pool and pull it out straight away if it's cold.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42145.msg1200211#msg1200211 date=1287428300]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42145.msg1200207#msg1200207 date=1287428190]
would love a young hungry manager with fresh ideas (in combination of NESV's program that helped rod sox) but would tha board want to gamble the long term future of the club with someone who has little experience (like emery)?
[/quote]
If you build it up right (and along the lines of what they've done with the Red Sox) you're not gambling the long term future of the club on a young unproven manager. You're putting a strong structure around him and asking him to train the team, and pick the 11 and tactics for the game. He can't do too much harm there.
[/quote]
I'd have said there was a fair bit of scope for doing damage even with a brief like that. If the newcomer were to act as no.2 to an experienced guy (be it Kenny or whoever) who's proven at high level first, I'd be happier about the idea.
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if you are going to make sweeping changes you may as well go all the way rather than attempting to dip your toe in the pool and pull it out straight away if it's cold.
That's far too indiscriminate an approach for me. It smacks of Souness' disastrous "pull everything up by the roots and start again" tactics. What we've got to make are the right changes, and I'll take some convincing that bringing in a young and less experienced manager is one of them at a time like this.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42145.msg1200221#msg1200221 date=1287428886]
That's far too indiscriminate an approach for me. It smacks of Souness' disastrous "pull everything up by the roots and start again" tactics. What we've got to make are the right changes, and I'll take some convincing that bringing in a young and less experienced manager is one of them at a time like this.
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souness attempted to do it to a team that were champions elect, we would be doing to a team that is flirting with relagation.
That's far too indiscriminate an approach for me. It smacks of Souness' disastrous "pull everything up by the roots and start again" tactics. What we've got to make are the right changes, and I'll take some convincing that bringing in a young and less experienced manager is one of them at a time like this.
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souness attempted to do it to a team that were champions elect, we would be doing to a team that is flirting with relagation.
[quote author=grjt link=topic=42145.msg1200224#msg1200224 date=1287429215]
Joachim Low?
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how loew can you go?
Joachim Low?
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how loew can you go?
[quote author=grjt link=topic=42145.msg1200224#msg1200224 date=1287429215]
Joachim Low?
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Possibly, but his club record is patchy.
Joachim Low?
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Possibly, but his club record is patchy.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42145.msg1200225#msg1200225 date=1287429281]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42145.msg1200221#msg1200221 date=1287428886]
That's far too indiscriminate an approach for me. It smacks of Souness' disastrous "pull everything up by the roots and start again" tactics. What we've got to make are the right changes, and I'll take some convincing that bringing in a young and less experienced manager is one of them at a time like this.
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souness attempted to do it to a team that were champions elect, we would be doing to a team that is flirting with relagation.
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Point is, Souness tried to change everything rather than really look for what needed changing, and it seemed to me (correct me if I've misread what you're saying) that you reckon we need something that far-reaching now. If so, I don't agree and I think such an approach would make things even worse, as it did then.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42145.msg1200221#msg1200221 date=1287428886]
That's far too indiscriminate an approach for me. It smacks of Souness' disastrous "pull everything up by the roots and start again" tactics. What we've got to make are the right changes, and I'll take some convincing that bringing in a young and less experienced manager is one of them at a time like this.
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souness attempted to do it to a team that were champions elect, we would be doing to a team that is flirting with relagation.
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Point is, Souness tried to change everything rather than really look for what needed changing, and it seemed to me (correct me if I've misread what you're saying) that you reckon we need something that far-reaching now. If so, I don't agree and I think such an approach would make things even worse, as it did then.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42145.msg1200234#msg1200234 date=1287429612]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42145.msg1200225#msg1200225 date=1287429281]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42145.msg1200221#msg1200221 date=1287428886]
That's far too indiscriminate an approach for me. It smacks of Souness' disastrous "pull everything up by the roots and start again" tactics. What we've got to make are the right changes, and I'll take some convincing that bringing in a young and less experienced manager is one of them at a time like this.
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souness attempted to do it to a team that were champions elect, we would be doing to a team that is flirting with relagation.
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Point is, Souness tried to change everything rather than really look for what needed changing, and it seemed to me (correct me if I've misread what you're saying) that you reckon we need something that far-reaching now. If so, I don't agree and I think such an approach would make things even worse, as it did then.
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if we (for example) attempted to convert to an attacking team when we've essentially been a defensive team for the better part of ten years, that is a massive change. that's a change in attitude, a change in personnel, that is a change from the ground up. you can't attemt something like that half arsed.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42145.msg1200225#msg1200225 date=1287429281]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42145.msg1200221#msg1200221 date=1287428886]
That's far too indiscriminate an approach for me. It smacks of Souness' disastrous "pull everything up by the roots and start again" tactics. What we've got to make are the right changes, and I'll take some convincing that bringing in a young and less experienced manager is one of them at a time like this.
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souness attempted to do it to a team that were champions elect, we would be doing to a team that is flirting with relagation.
[/quote]
Point is, Souness tried to change everything rather than really look for what needed changing, and it seemed to me (correct me if I've misread what you're saying) that you reckon we need something that far-reaching now. If so, I don't agree and I think such an approach would make things even worse, as it did then.
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if we (for example) attempted to convert to an attacking team when we've essentially been a defensive team for the better part of ten years, that is a massive change. that's a change in attitude, a change in personnel, that is a change from the ground up. you can't attemt something like that half arsed.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42145.msg1200221#msg1200221 date=1287428886]
That's far too indiscriminate an approach for me. It smacks of Souness' disastrous "pull everything up by the roots and start again" tactics. What we've got to make are the right changes, and I'll take some convincing that bringing in a young and less experienced manager is one of them at a time like this.
[/quote]
Souness chose a high-risk strategy when we had a lot to lose.
Now we have nothing (or very little) to lose, so a high risk gamble, with possibly great rewards, makes a lot more sense.
A quick poker analogy:
Souness had plenty of chips towards the end of a tournament, but blew it all away through reckless gambling.
Now we are low on chips, so we have everything to gain and little to lose with an aggressive strategy.
Also consider that Hodgson was considered the safe, conservative option that would steady the ship. Last thing we need is another safe, geriatric pair of hands.
That's far too indiscriminate an approach for me. It smacks of Souness' disastrous "pull everything up by the roots and start again" tactics. What we've got to make are the right changes, and I'll take some convincing that bringing in a young and less experienced manager is one of them at a time like this.
[/quote]
Souness chose a high-risk strategy when we had a lot to lose.
Now we have nothing (or very little) to lose, so a high risk gamble, with possibly great rewards, makes a lot more sense.
A quick poker analogy:
Souness had plenty of chips towards the end of a tournament, but blew it all away through reckless gambling.
Now we are low on chips, so we have everything to gain and little to lose with an aggressive strategy.
Also consider that Hodgson was considered the safe, conservative option that would steady the ship. Last thing we need is another safe, geriatric pair of hands.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42145.msg1200234#msg1200234 date=1287429612]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42145.msg1200225#msg1200225 date=1287429281]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42145.msg1200221#msg1200221 date=1287428886]
That's far too indiscriminate an approach for me. It smacks of Souness' disastrous "pull everything up by the roots and start again" tactics. What we've got to make are the right changes, and I'll take some convincing that bringing in a young and less experienced manager is one of them at a time like this.
[/quote]
souness attempted to do it to a team that were champions elect, we would be doing to a team that is flirting with relagation.
[/quote]
Point is, Souness tried to change everything rather than really look for what needed changing, and it seemed to me (correct me if I've misread what you're saying) that you reckon we need something that far-reaching now. If so, I don't agree and I think such an approach would make things even worse, as it did then.
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Definitely agree with this.
Souness did some things right, especially with things like training changes and diet..but the football changes he made in many instances were unbelievable.
If we can't attract a top manager, then I too would favour taking a risk with a younger manager, but there are good managers out there with experience and we simply must find them.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42145.msg1200225#msg1200225 date=1287429281]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42145.msg1200221#msg1200221 date=1287428886]
That's far too indiscriminate an approach for me. It smacks of Souness' disastrous "pull everything up by the roots and start again" tactics. What we've got to make are the right changes, and I'll take some convincing that bringing in a young and less experienced manager is one of them at a time like this.
[/quote]
souness attempted to do it to a team that were champions elect, we would be doing to a team that is flirting with relagation.
[/quote]
Point is, Souness tried to change everything rather than really look for what needed changing, and it seemed to me (correct me if I've misread what you're saying) that you reckon we need something that far-reaching now. If so, I don't agree and I think such an approach would make things even worse, as it did then.
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Definitely agree with this.
Souness did some things right, especially with things like training changes and diet..but the football changes he made in many instances were unbelievable.
If we can't attract a top manager, then I too would favour taking a risk with a younger manager, but there are good managers out there with experience and we simply must find them.
this is why roy HAS to be moved on before the transfer window because he will attempt short term fixes for is bullshit tactics.
[quote author=iseeredpeople link=topic=42145.msg1200237#msg1200237 date=1287429793]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42145.msg1200221#msg1200221 date=1287428886]
That's far too indiscriminate an approach for me. It smacks of Souness' disastrous "pull everything up by the roots and start again" tactics. What we've got to make are the right changes, and I'll take some convincing that bringing in a young and less experienced manager is one of them at a time like this.
[/quote]
Souness chose a high-risk strategy when we had a lot to lose.
Now we have nothing (or very little) to lose, so a high risk gamble, with possibly great rewards, makes a lot more sense.
A quick poker analogy:
Souness had plenty of chips towards the end of a tournament, but blew it all away through reckless gambling.
Now we are low on chips, so we have everything to gain and little to lose with an aggressive strategy.
Also consider that Hodgson was considered the safe, conservative option that would steady the ship. Last thing we need is another safe, geriatric pair of hands.
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The last thing we need is the wrong pair of hands. That could be the wrong experienced guy (like Roy, indeed) or it could be the younger guy who does more damage than he was employed to fix (like Souness). Option 2 seems the riskier one to me.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42145.msg1200221#msg1200221 date=1287428886]
That's far too indiscriminate an approach for me. It smacks of Souness' disastrous "pull everything up by the roots and start again" tactics. What we've got to make are the right changes, and I'll take some convincing that bringing in a young and less experienced manager is one of them at a time like this.
[/quote]
Souness chose a high-risk strategy when we had a lot to lose.
Now we have nothing (or very little) to lose, so a high risk gamble, with possibly great rewards, makes a lot more sense.
A quick poker analogy:
Souness had plenty of chips towards the end of a tournament, but blew it all away through reckless gambling.
Now we are low on chips, so we have everything to gain and little to lose with an aggressive strategy.
Also consider that Hodgson was considered the safe, conservative option that would steady the ship. Last thing we need is another safe, geriatric pair of hands.
[/quote]
The last thing we need is the wrong pair of hands. That could be the wrong experienced guy (like Roy, indeed) or it could be the younger guy who does more damage than he was employed to fix (like Souness). Option 2 seems the riskier one to me.
][quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42145.msg1200241#msg1200241 date=1287430020]
this is why roy HAS to be moved on before the transfer window because he will attempt short term fixes for is bullshit tactics.
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Can't disagree here neil. If anything he should go a good few months before to give the new manager time to assess the squad and identify the weaknesses for himself.
this is why roy HAS to be moved on before the transfer window because he will attempt short term fixes for is bullshit tactics.
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Can't disagree here neil. If anything he should go a good few months before to give the new manager time to assess the squad and identify the weaknesses for himself.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42145.msg1200236#msg1200236 date=1287429788]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42145.msg1200234#msg1200234 date=1287429612]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42145.msg1200225#msg1200225 date=1287429281]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42145.msg1200221#msg1200221 date=1287428886]
That's far too indiscriminate an approach for me. It smacks of Souness' disastrous "pull everything up by the roots and start again" tactics. What we've got to make are the right changes, and I'll take some convincing that bringing in a young and less experienced manager is one of them at a time like this.
[/quote]
souness attempted to do it to a team that were champions elect, we would be doing to a team that is flirting with relagation.
[/quote]
Point is, Souness tried to change everything rather than really look for what needed changing, and it seemed to me (correct me if I've misread what you're saying) that you reckon we need something that far-reaching now. If so, I don't agree and I think such an approach would make things even worse, as it did then.
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if we (for example) attempted to convert to an attacking team when we've essentially been a defensive team for the better part of ten years, that is a massive change. that's a change in attitude, a change in personnel, that is a change from the ground up. you can't attemt something like that half arsed.
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Wouldn't disagree, but you can't do it overnight either.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42145.msg1200234#msg1200234 date=1287429612]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42145.msg1200225#msg1200225 date=1287429281]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42145.msg1200221#msg1200221 date=1287428886]
That's far too indiscriminate an approach for me. It smacks of Souness' disastrous "pull everything up by the roots and start again" tactics. What we've got to make are the right changes, and I'll take some convincing that bringing in a young and less experienced manager is one of them at a time like this.
[/quote]
souness attempted to do it to a team that were champions elect, we would be doing to a team that is flirting with relagation.
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Point is, Souness tried to change everything rather than really look for what needed changing, and it seemed to me (correct me if I've misread what you're saying) that you reckon we need something that far-reaching now. If so, I don't agree and I think such an approach would make things even worse, as it did then.
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if we (for example) attempted to convert to an attacking team when we've essentially been a defensive team for the better part of ten years, that is a massive change. that's a change in attitude, a change in personnel, that is a change from the ground up. you can't attemt something like that half arsed.
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Wouldn't disagree, but you can't do it overnight either.
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42145.msg1200239#msg1200239 date=1287429954]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42145.msg1200234#msg1200234 date=1287429612]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42145.msg1200225#msg1200225 date=1287429281]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42145.msg1200221#msg1200221 date=1287428886]
That's far too indiscriminate an approach for me. It smacks of Souness' disastrous "pull everything up by the roots and start again" tactics. What we've got to make are the right changes, and I'll take some convincing that bringing in a young and less experienced manager is one of them at a time like this.
[/quote]
souness attempted to do it to a team that were champions elect, we would be doing to a team that is flirting with relagation.
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Point is, Souness tried to change everything rather than really look for what needed changing, and it seemed to me (correct me if I've misread what you're saying) that you reckon we need something that far-reaching now. If so, I don't agree and I think such an approach would make things even worse, as it did then.
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Definitely agree with this.
Souness did some things right, especially with things like training changes and diet..but the football changes he made in many instances were unbelievable.
If we can't attract a top manager, then I too would favour taking a risk with a younger manager, but there are good managers out there with experience and we simply must find them.
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I think it will take more than mere experience, it will take a long term vision and plan but chelsea and man city are just going to outspend us snap up the best talent out there, so we have to go down another avenue. I've been really impressed with how NESV transformed the red sox and excited how they may translate that across to football and would a manager set in his way be up for that?
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42145.msg1200234#msg1200234 date=1287429612]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42145.msg1200225#msg1200225 date=1287429281]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42145.msg1200221#msg1200221 date=1287428886]
That's far too indiscriminate an approach for me. It smacks of Souness' disastrous "pull everything up by the roots and start again" tactics. What we've got to make are the right changes, and I'll take some convincing that bringing in a young and less experienced manager is one of them at a time like this.
[/quote]
souness attempted to do it to a team that were champions elect, we would be doing to a team that is flirting with relagation.
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Point is, Souness tried to change everything rather than really look for what needed changing, and it seemed to me (correct me if I've misread what you're saying) that you reckon we need something that far-reaching now. If so, I don't agree and I think such an approach would make things even worse, as it did then.
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Definitely agree with this.
Souness did some things right, especially with things like training changes and diet..but the football changes he made in many instances were unbelievable.
If we can't attract a top manager, then I too would favour taking a risk with a younger manager, but there are good managers out there with experience and we simply must find them.
[/quote]
I think it will take more than mere experience, it will take a long term vision and plan but chelsea and man city are just going to outspend us snap up the best talent out there, so we have to go down another avenue. I've been really impressed with how NESV transformed the red sox and excited how they may translate that across to football and would a manager set in his way be up for that?
What excites you about what they did with the Red Sox neil?
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42145.msg1200221#msg1200221 date=1287428886]
That's far too indiscriminate an approach for me. It smacks of Souness' disastrous "pull everything up by the roots and start again" tactics. What we've got to make are the right changes, and I'll take some convincing that bringing in a young and less experienced manager is one of them at a time like this.
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Souness chose a high-risk strategy when we had a lot to lose.
Now we have nothing (or very little) to lose, so a high risk gamble, with possibly great rewards, makes a lot more sense.
A quick poker analogy:
Souness had plenty of chips towards the end of a tournament, but blew it all away through reckless gambling.
Now we are low on chips, so we have everything to gain and little to lose with an aggressive strategy.
Also consider that Hodgson was considered the safe, conservative option that would steady the ship. Last thing we need is another safe, geriatric pair of hands.
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The last thing we need is the wrong pair of hands. That could be the wrong experienced guy (like Roy, indeed) or it could be the younger guy who does more damage than he was employed to fix (like Souness). Option 2 seems the riskier one to me.
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Our current dire straits represents a great opportunity for some bold choices. And I suspect NESV thinks along the same lines. What was that quote from Henry about being "bold, smart and aggressive"?
[quote author=iseeredpeople link=topic=42145.msg1200237#msg1200237 date=1287429793]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42145.msg1200221#msg1200221 date=1287428886]
That's far too indiscriminate an approach for me. It smacks of Souness' disastrous "pull everything up by the roots and start again" tactics. What we've got to make are the right changes, and I'll take some convincing that bringing in a young and less experienced manager is one of them at a time like this.
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Souness chose a high-risk strategy when we had a lot to lose.
Now we have nothing (or very little) to lose, so a high risk gamble, with possibly great rewards, makes a lot more sense.
A quick poker analogy:
Souness had plenty of chips towards the end of a tournament, but blew it all away through reckless gambling.
Now we are low on chips, so we have everything to gain and little to lose with an aggressive strategy.
Also consider that Hodgson was considered the safe, conservative option that would steady the ship. Last thing we need is another safe, geriatric pair of hands.
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The last thing we need is the wrong pair of hands. That could be the wrong experienced guy (like Roy, indeed) or it could be the younger guy who does more damage than he was employed to fix (like Souness). Option 2 seems the riskier one to me.
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Our current dire straits represents a great opportunity for some bold choices. And I suspect NESV thinks along the same lines. What was that quote from Henry about being "bold, smart and aggressive"?
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What excites you about what they did with the Red Sox neil?
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need to dig out the article, essentially they hired the someone with the best knowledge of stats and tactics in the baseball league and then changed their entire approach based on his advice. sounds way out there but 2 world series in four years speak for itself.
okay being the 2nd largest spenders in baseball also helps ha ha 😉
I will search for the article though and post it.
What excites you about what they did with the Red Sox neil?
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need to dig out the article, essentially they hired the someone with the best knowledge of stats and tactics in the baseball league and then changed their entire approach based on his advice. sounds way out there but 2 world series in four years speak for itself.
okay being the 2nd largest spenders in baseball also helps ha ha 😉
I will search for the article though and post it.
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okay being the 2nd largest spenders in baseball also helps ha ha 😉
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And not making the playoffs this year 😉
okay being the 2nd largest spenders in baseball also helps ha ha 😉
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And not making the playoffs this year 😉
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42145.msg1200253#msg1200253 date=1287430645]
okay being the 2nd largest spenders in baseball also helps ha ha 😉
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And not making the playoffs this year 😉
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no? injuries?
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42145.msg1200253#msg1200253 date=1287430645]
okay being the 2nd largest spenders in baseball also helps ha ha 😉
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And not making the playoffs this year 😉
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no? injuries?
Injuries have played a huge part yes, but this theory that he's took them from nothing to the top is slightly exaggerated in my opinion. People make it sound like they were the Pittsburgh Pirates before he came.
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=42145.msg1200259#msg1200259 date=1287430950]
Injuries have played a huge part yes, but this theory that he's took them from nothing to the top is slightly exaggerated in my opinion. People make it sound like they were the Pittsburgh Pirates before he came.
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with NESV it will be more than blank cheque. the next two years will be a transition so if we are going to make a radical change it may as well be now.
Injuries have played a huge part yes, but this theory that he's took them from nothing to the top is slightly exaggerated in my opinion. People make it sound like they were the Pittsburgh Pirates before he came.
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with NESV it will be more than blank cheque. the next two years will be a transition so if we are going to make a radical change it may as well be now.
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=42145.msg1200259#msg1200259 date=1287430950]
Injuries have played a huge part yes, but this theory that he's took them from nothing to the top is slightly exaggerated in my opinion. People make it sound like they were the Pittsburgh Pirates before he came.
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That's fair comment as far as it goes, Saint, but they hadn't won anything for over 80 years.
Injuries have played a huge part yes, but this theory that he's took them from nothing to the top is slightly exaggerated in my opinion. People make it sound like they were the Pittsburgh Pirates before he came.
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That's fair comment as far as it goes, Saint, but they hadn't won anything for over 80 years.
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