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Carra player manager.
[quote author=Fallon link=topic=42145.msg1188835#msg1188835 date=1286264228]
Okay some of these suggestions of who we can attract are getting to be a bit hysterical, we're Liverpool fucking FC! Our history and support doesn't just vanish after a bad start to a season.
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Our support has been up and down for years...
Morientes was Booo'ed several times and he isnt the only player to receive that treatment over the last few years.
I sometimes think ive got the TV on mute for home games.. but then i hear the away fans singing shite Sign on crap...
Our situation at the moment is fucking terrible. Regardless of our history.
Okay some of these suggestions of who we can attract are getting to be a bit hysterical, we're Liverpool fucking FC! Our history and support doesn't just vanish after a bad start to a season.
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Our support has been up and down for years...
Morientes was Booo'ed several times and he isnt the only player to receive that treatment over the last few years.
I sometimes think ive got the TV on mute for home games.. but then i hear the away fans singing shite Sign on crap...
Our situation at the moment is fucking terrible. Regardless of our history.
[quote author=IGotALuvlyBunchOfCoconuts link=topic=42145.msg1188812#msg1188812 date=1286256787]
Pellegrini, he looks great in a suit, isn't balding. Can organize a defence, believes in attacking and playing good football as it will win you games.
The complete opposite of our last managers.
And he's free.
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He had my vote in the summer. Not sure if our current crisis is the right time to bring someone like that in, but he's definitely a good manager.
Pellegrini, he looks great in a suit, isn't balding. Can organize a defence, believes in attacking and playing good football as it will win you games.
The complete opposite of our last managers.
And he's free.
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He had my vote in the summer. Not sure if our current crisis is the right time to bring someone like that in, but he's definitely a good manager.
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[quote author=IGotALuvlyBunchOfCoconuts link=topic=42145.msg1188812#msg1188812 date=1286256787]
Pellegrini, he looks great in a suit, isn't balding. Can organize a defence, believes in attacking and playing good football as it will win you games.
The complete opposite of our last managers.
And he's free.
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He had my vote in the summer. Not sure if our current crisis is the right time to bring someone like that in, but he's definitely a good manager.
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Not the right time to bring in a Manager who can organize a defence, believes in attacking and playing good football as it will win you games`? Hmmm I am with you on that one. That would be too big a change for me. I dont think I would cope with so much new stuff at once.
[quote author=IGotALuvlyBunchOfCoconuts link=topic=42145.msg1188812#msg1188812 date=1286256787]
Pellegrini, he looks great in a suit, isn't balding. Can organize a defence, believes in attacking and playing good football as it will win you games.
The complete opposite of our last managers.
And he's free.
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He had my vote in the summer. Not sure if our current crisis is the right time to bring someone like that in, but he's definitely a good manager.
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Not the right time to bring in a Manager who can organize a defence, believes in attacking and playing good football as it will win you games`? Hmmm I am with you on that one. That would be too big a change for me. I dont think I would cope with so much new stuff at once.
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[quote author=Fallon link=topic=42145.msg1188835#msg1188835 date=1286264228]
Okay some of these suggestions of who we can attract are getting to be a bit hysterical, we're Liverpool fucking FC! Our history and support doesn't just vanish after a bad start to a season.
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Our support has been up and down for years...
Morientes was Booo'ed several times and he isnt the only player to receive that treatment over the last few years.
I sometimes think ive got the TV on mute for home games.. but then i hear the away fans singing shite Sign on crap...
Our situation at the moment is fucking terrible. Regardless of our history.
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Worldwide support I meant, not those who go the match because I agree that sometimes nowadays it can be a shambles the noise (or lack of) generated by the home fans.
As for our situation, I agree and you won't hear me say otherwise, I still think we can do a bit better than Paul Ince though if and when we do change managers.
[quote author=Fallon link=topic=42145.msg1188835#msg1188835 date=1286264228]
Okay some of these suggestions of who we can attract are getting to be a bit hysterical, we're Liverpool fucking FC! Our history and support doesn't just vanish after a bad start to a season.
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Our support has been up and down for years...
Morientes was Booo'ed several times and he isnt the only player to receive that treatment over the last few years.
I sometimes think ive got the TV on mute for home games.. but then i hear the away fans singing shite Sign on crap...
Our situation at the moment is fucking terrible. Regardless of our history.
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Worldwide support I meant, not those who go the match because I agree that sometimes nowadays it can be a shambles the noise (or lack of) generated by the home fans.
As for our situation, I agree and you won't hear me say otherwise, I still think we can do a bit better than Paul Ince though if and when we do change managers.
Ok, I'm ready for the derision but........................Ian Holloway.
There are many similarities between him and Shanks.............Holloway is the same age now as Shanks was when he became LFC manager, neither man had much success in their previous management roles (up until Blackpool), both had fractious relationships with the boards of their previous clubs and both seem to elicit unequivocal respect from their players. Added to this they are/were both very outspoken and both "men of the people".
I watch a huge amount of lower league football and have been watching these lower league journey-men like Ian Evatt, Gary Taylor-Fletcher, Luke Varney, David Vaughan etc struggle sometimes to get a game in the 1st division and now here they are in the top half of the Premier League! These guys aren't young, they have just never been deemed particularly good.
Holloway is an alchemist and you have to wonder....if he can turn lower league players into Premier League players with relative ease what could he do with Torres, Gerrard, Agger, Pepe!?
Obviously it would be a huge risk but then again taking Shanks on was a risk given his relatively average managerial track record.
There are many similarities between him and Shanks.............Holloway is the same age now as Shanks was when he became LFC manager, neither man had much success in their previous management roles (up until Blackpool), both had fractious relationships with the boards of their previous clubs and both seem to elicit unequivocal respect from their players. Added to this they are/were both very outspoken and both "men of the people".
I watch a huge amount of lower league football and have been watching these lower league journey-men like Ian Evatt, Gary Taylor-Fletcher, Luke Varney, David Vaughan etc struggle sometimes to get a game in the 1st division and now here they are in the top half of the Premier League! These guys aren't young, they have just never been deemed particularly good.
Holloway is an alchemist and you have to wonder....if he can turn lower league players into Premier League players with relative ease what could he do with Torres, Gerrard, Agger, Pepe!?
Obviously it would be a huge risk but then again taking Shanks on was a risk given his relatively average managerial track record.
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[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=42145.msg1188836#msg1188836 date=1286264243]
Carra player manager.
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I'd love to see him in the assistant manager role at first but I'm sure he'll become our manager one day.
This is my preferred tag-team btw:
Carra player manager.
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I'd love to see him in the assistant manager role at first but I'm sure he'll become our manager one day.
This is my preferred tag-team btw:
Kenny and Laudrup would be my preffered striker partnership right now wih Torres out.
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[quote author=Whitey85 link=topic=42145.msg1188854#msg1188854 date=1286267837]
I was very impressed by Benfica last season. They hammered Everton and gave us a good fucking over in Portugal to be fair. Maybe their manager could be worth a look although im not sure how impressive his CV is.
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Jesus would be another splendid candidate.
I was very impressed by Benfica last season. They hammered Everton and gave us a good fucking over in Portugal to be fair. Maybe their manager could be worth a look although im not sure how impressive his CV is.
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Jesus would be another splendid candidate.
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the_khl
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[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=42145.msg1188853#msg1188853 date=1286267765]
Kenny and Laudrup would be my preffered striker partnership right now wih Torres out.
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Hahaha....
Kenny and Laudrup would be my preffered striker partnership right now wih Torres out.
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Hahaha....
[quote author=Whitey85 link=topic=42145.msg1188854#msg1188854 date=1286267837]
I was very impressed by Benfica last season. They hammered Everton and gave us a good fucking over in Portugal to be fair. Maybe their manager could be worth a look although im not sure how impressive his CV is.
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Jesus Jorge?
I was very impressed by Benfica last season. They hammered Everton and gave us a good fucking over in Portugal to be fair. Maybe their manager could be worth a look although im not sure how impressive his CV is.
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Jesus Jorge?
I propose a radical move..
Let the fans manage the club. Each week, a majority vote for the best choice of tactics, set of players and decisions will be vetoed from a pool of fans' entries and proposals.
If the decisions end up being shite, then at least we have nobody to blame but ourselves.
The worst that could happen is that we start to blame one another and fight amongst ourselves but then again, it's nothing 6CM and football forums havent experienced before have they ? 😉
Let the fans manage the club. Each week, a majority vote for the best choice of tactics, set of players and decisions will be vetoed from a pool of fans' entries and proposals.
If the decisions end up being shite, then at least we have nobody to blame but ourselves.
The worst that could happen is that we start to blame one another and fight amongst ourselves but then again, it's nothing 6CM and football forums havent experienced before have they ? 😉
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[quote author=Whitey85 link=topic=42145.msg1188854#msg1188854 date=1286267837]
I was very impressed by Benfica last season. They hammered Everton and gave us a good fucking over in Portugal to be fair. Maybe their manager could be worth a look although im not sure how impressive his CV is.
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Jesus Jorge?
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It would appear to be him. His wiki - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_Jesus
[quote author=Whitey85 link=topic=42145.msg1188854#msg1188854 date=1286267837]
I was very impressed by Benfica last season. They hammered Everton and gave us a good fucking over in Portugal to be fair. Maybe their manager could be worth a look although im not sure how impressive his CV is.
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Jesus Jorge?
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It would appear to be him. His wiki - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorge_Jesus
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[quote author=IGotALuvlyBunchOfCoconuts link=topic=42145.msg1188812#msg1188812 date=1286256787]
Pellegrini, he looks great in a suit, isn't balding. Can organize a defence, believes in attacking and playing good football as it will win you games.
The complete opposite of our last managers.
And he's free.
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He had my vote in the summer. Not sure if our current crisis is the right time to bring someone like that in, but he's definitely a good manager.
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Not the right time to bring in a Manager who can organize a defence, believes in attacking and playing good football as it will win you games`? Hmmm I am with you on that one. That would be too big a change for me. I dont think I would cope with so much new stuff at once.
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It's certainly not the right time to bring in a manager who recently failed to outshine Hodgson at interview for the LFC job.
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[quote author=IGotALuvlyBunchOfCoconuts link=topic=42145.msg1188812#msg1188812 date=1286256787]
Pellegrini, he looks great in a suit, isn't balding. Can organize a defence, believes in attacking and playing good football as it will win you games.
The complete opposite of our last managers.
And he's free.
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He had my vote in the summer. Not sure if our current crisis is the right time to bring someone like that in, but he's definitely a good manager.
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Not the right time to bring in a Manager who can organize a defence, believes in attacking and playing good football as it will win you games`? Hmmm I am with you on that one. That would be too big a change for me. I dont think I would cope with so much new stuff at once.
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It's certainly not the right time to bring in a manager who recently failed to outshine Hodgson at interview for the LFC job.
I'd much rather have a young manager who hasnt won a thing, over an old manager who hasnt won much of note.
Someone who seems driven, ambitious, aggressive, intelligent and passionate, who might go on to be a legend in his own right for Liverpool, not what hes done in the past.
I'd like Carra to get a role on the new guys coaching staff too, that would be nice.
Someone who seems driven, ambitious, aggressive, intelligent and passionate, who might go on to be a legend in his own right for Liverpool, not what hes done in the past.
I'd like Carra to get a role on the new guys coaching staff too, that would be nice.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42145.msg1188874#msg1188874 date=1286269853]
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=42145.msg1188843#msg1188843 date=1286265768]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=42145.msg1188839#msg1188839 date=1286265188]
[quote author=IGotALuvlyBunchOfCoconuts link=topic=42145.msg1188812#msg1188812 date=1286256787]
Pellegrini, he looks great in a suit, isn't balding. Can organize a defence, believes in attacking and playing good football as it will win you games.
The complete opposite of our last managers.
And he's free.
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He had my vote in the summer. Not sure if our current crisis is the right time to bring someone like that in, but he's definitely a good manager.
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Not the right time to bring in a Manager who can organize a defence, believes in attacking and playing good football as it will win you games`? Hmmm I am with you on that one. That would be too big a change for me. I dont think I would cope with so much new stuff at once.
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It's certainly not the right time to bring in a manager who recently failed to outshine Hodgson at interview for the LFC job.
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Well Hodgson has talked the talk, but failed on the rest.... A bit like Hicks and Gillette!
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=42145.msg1188839#msg1188839 date=1286265188]
[quote author=IGotALuvlyBunchOfCoconuts link=topic=42145.msg1188812#msg1188812 date=1286256787]
Pellegrini, he looks great in a suit, isn't balding. Can organize a defence, believes in attacking and playing good football as it will win you games.
The complete opposite of our last managers.
And he's free.
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He had my vote in the summer. Not sure if our current crisis is the right time to bring someone like that in, but he's definitely a good manager.
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Not the right time to bring in a Manager who can organize a defence, believes in attacking and playing good football as it will win you games`? Hmmm I am with you on that one. That would be too big a change for me. I dont think I would cope with so much new stuff at once.
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It's certainly not the right time to bring in a manager who recently failed to outshine Hodgson at interview for the LFC job.
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Well Hodgson has talked the talk, but failed on the rest.... A bit like Hicks and Gillette!
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[quote author=IGotALuvlyBunchOfCoconuts link=topic=42145.msg1188812#msg1188812 date=1286256787]
Pellegrini, he looks great in a suit, isn't balding. Can organize a defence, believes in attacking and playing good football as it will win you games.
The complete opposite of our last managers.
And he's free.
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He had my vote in the summer. Not sure if our current crisis is the right time to bring someone like that in, but he's definitely a good manager.
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Not the right time to bring in a Manager who can organize a defence, believes in attacking and playing good football as it will win you games`? Hmmm I am with you on that one. That would be too big a change for me. I dont think I would cope with so much new stuff at once.
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It's certainly not the right time to bring in a manager who recently failed to outshine Hodgson at interview for the LFC job.
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given the total plonkers who conducted those interviews i'm not sure that's a valid point!
give kenny the job til xmas, and then, assuming we're in a healthier position, i wouldn't be totally against giving owen coyle the job. i realise it's a massive gamble, but i think in our current position it's either that or going with an inadequate like hodgson: that was always the problem in getting rid of rafa, we were never going to be in a position to attract someone of the same calibre.
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[quote author=IGotALuvlyBunchOfCoconuts link=topic=42145.msg1188812#msg1188812 date=1286256787]
Pellegrini, he looks great in a suit, isn't balding. Can organize a defence, believes in attacking and playing good football as it will win you games.
The complete opposite of our last managers.
And he's free.
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He had my vote in the summer. Not sure if our current crisis is the right time to bring someone like that in, but he's definitely a good manager.
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Not the right time to bring in a Manager who can organize a defence, believes in attacking and playing good football as it will win you games`? Hmmm I am with you on that one. That would be too big a change for me. I dont think I would cope with so much new stuff at once.
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It's certainly not the right time to bring in a manager who recently failed to outshine Hodgson at interview for the LFC job.
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given the total plonkers who conducted those interviews i'm not sure that's a valid point!
give kenny the job til xmas, and then, assuming we're in a healthier position, i wouldn't be totally against giving owen coyle the job. i realise it's a massive gamble, but i think in our current position it's either that or going with an inadequate like hodgson: that was always the problem in getting rid of rafa, we were never going to be in a position to attract someone of the same calibre.
I rate Coyle and the football he gets his teams to play, but if we make a change now I wouldn't really want another so soon afterwards. It would also concern me that Coyle had only just left one team in the lurch, and now here we'd be, getting him to do the same again in a very short space of time. It may not be an entirely logical reaction but I just have a notion that that would start us off on the wrong foot. My preference would therefore be to keep Kenny in post until new owners arrive.
well 3 managers in a season i suppose you could be right. but what i was getting at is the beauty of the kenny option is that he's completely disinterested and would be happy to do the job on our terms, in my scenario to give us a couple of months just to stop the rot and give a better environment for a new young manager to step into. a caretaker, basically.
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the_khl
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[quote author=Ossi link=topic=42145.msg1188863#msg1188863 date=1286268343]
Laudrup? What has he won as manager? Nothing worth mentioning (wasn´t that why you didn´t want Roy, KHL)?
I´d go for Loew.
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The reason I wasn't too excited about the Roy-appointment was down to a mixture of his age and his managerial experience at highest level which was next to zero. Not that he hasn't won anything because he has - in Denmark and Sweden at least.
Laudrup hasn't been tested at highest level (as a manager) either but beeing the icon that he is combined with his footballing philosophy makes him a very interesting prospect IMO. The fact that he did a great job with Brøndby (made them Danish Champions) and Getafe (UEFA quarter and Spanish Cup-final) and now has started well at Mallorca at least indicates he gets the work done. And as he's almost 20-years-younger than Roy too whilst having a great name in the game I reckon we'd be much better suited with him in the manager-seat.
Laudrup? What has he won as manager? Nothing worth mentioning (wasn´t that why you didn´t want Roy, KHL)?
I´d go for Loew.
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The reason I wasn't too excited about the Roy-appointment was down to a mixture of his age and his managerial experience at highest level which was next to zero. Not that he hasn't won anything because he has - in Denmark and Sweden at least.
Laudrup hasn't been tested at highest level (as a manager) either but beeing the icon that he is combined with his footballing philosophy makes him a very interesting prospect IMO. The fact that he did a great job with Brøndby (made them Danish Champions) and Getafe (UEFA quarter and Spanish Cup-final) and now has started well at Mallorca at least indicates he gets the work done. And as he's almost 20-years-younger than Roy too whilst having a great name in the game I reckon we'd be much better suited with him in the manager-seat.
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42145.msg1188925#msg1188925 date=1286273935]
well 3 managers in a season i suppose you could be right. but what i was getting at is the beauty of the kenny option is that he's completely disinterested and would be happy to do the job on our terms, in my scenario to give us a couple of months just to stop the rot and give a better environment for a new young manager to step into. a caretaker, basically.
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absolutely.
well 3 managers in a season i suppose you could be right. but what i was getting at is the beauty of the kenny option is that he's completely disinterested and would be happy to do the job on our terms, in my scenario to give us a couple of months just to stop the rot and give a better environment for a new young manager to step into. a caretaker, basically.
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absolutely.
Agree with quite a bit of that, and indeed Kenny himself wouldn't want the job on anything other than a caretaker basis. I guess the moot point is how one defines the role. My own view is that the improvement we need will take longer than a couple of months to establish, and that a change soon after that would be a risk too far.
If we manage to get new owners in that period, it'll be interesting to see what difference that makes. I'm sure they'll want to make their own permanent appointment as soon as possible, but again it'll be a question of how they define that. Incidentally there's no guarantee that their choice would be the same as that of the current board, so that's another reason to keep Kenny till then.
If we manage to get new owners in that period, it'll be interesting to see what difference that makes. I'm sure they'll want to make their own permanent appointment as soon as possible, but again it'll be a question of how they define that. Incidentally there's no guarantee that their choice would be the same as that of the current board, so that's another reason to keep Kenny till then.
Some people talk as if we assign Kenny we will need to sign him an assistant able to wheel him around his wheelchair, and ontoher with a hotline to an ambulance ready to pick him up anytime. He aint that old is he? Why is everyone desperate for him to be short term? he might actually win us some games and he might actually convince the underperforming overpaid bastards that we actually are the one club to beat!
Nobody's saying anything of the kind. Fact is, the man himself wouldn't want the job permanently, not with Marina recovering from cancer and their Foundation to run. BTW I'm confident he WOULD win us games and gee the players up while he was in charge - that's why I wanted him to succeed Rafa in the first place.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42145.msg1188933#msg1188933 date=1286275450]
Agree with quite a bit of that, and indeed Kenny himself wouldn't want the job on anything other than a caretaker basis. I guess the moot point is how one defines the role. My own view is that the improvement we need will take longer than a couple of months to establish, and that a change soon after that would be a risk too far.
If we manage to get new owners in that period, it'll be interesting to see what difference that makes. I'm sure they'll want to make their own permanent appointment as soon as possible, but again it'll be a question of how they define that. Incidentally there's no guarantee that their choice would be the same as that of the current board, so that's another reason to keep Kenny till then.
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the ownership thing completely negates this wholde discussion tbh. if we get a change, then we'll no longer be the sickman of the premier league and will be able to go for proven quality rather than dodgy gambles like owen coyle; if hicks refinances then we might as well turn out the lights things will be so bleak.
Agree with quite a bit of that, and indeed Kenny himself wouldn't want the job on anything other than a caretaker basis. I guess the moot point is how one defines the role. My own view is that the improvement we need will take longer than a couple of months to establish, and that a change soon after that would be a risk too far.
If we manage to get new owners in that period, it'll be interesting to see what difference that makes. I'm sure they'll want to make their own permanent appointment as soon as possible, but again it'll be a question of how they define that. Incidentally there's no guarantee that their choice would be the same as that of the current board, so that's another reason to keep Kenny till then.
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the ownership thing completely negates this wholde discussion tbh. if we get a change, then we'll no longer be the sickman of the premier league and will be able to go for proven quality rather than dodgy gambles like owen coyle; if hicks refinances then we might as well turn out the lights things will be so bleak.
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