Who will the Yanks hire to replace Rafa?

[Judge Jules]

[quote author=Hansern link=topic=39221.msg1067526#msg1067526 date=1268297708]
If we can get Ten Caate, then Rijkaard would be a good option. If not, stay well clear..
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In that case I don't want either. Ten Cate's career suggests he's someone to whom any group of players will react either very well OR very badly indeed, and that kind of set-up's far too risky for my liking. I wouldn't mind Rijkaard per se, but not at the price of hiring Ten Cate as well.

 

[Stulikesdrums]

Ten Cate clashed with a lot of the Chelsea squad.

 

[keniget]

In fairness to Ten Cate though, the Chelsea squad is full of massive cunts

 

[Stulikesdrums]

That's a fair point, well made.

 

[Judge Jules]

It is, but the difference is that that's a club which has the money to buy its way out of the kind of fallout caused by the clashes between Ten Cate and the players concerned, either by paying the guy off (as eventually they did) or by replacing the players. We can't do that. However nice it would be to clear some of the current personnel out at one fell swoop, we can't afford it and have to proceed one step at a time.

 

[spider-Neil]

rijkaard:
won stuff
trusts youth
attacking mentaility
gets the best out of aging players

 

[Judge Jules]

...but couldn't cope when his hard-man sidekick left.

 

[Molbystwin]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39221.msg1067648#msg1067648 date=1268316317]
rijkaard:
won stuff
trusts youth
attacking mentaility
gets the best out of aging players





[/quote]

Youngsters included Messi
Fogies included Henry

The rest was just dross like Deco and Ronaldinho...

The man was a genius obviously

 

[DHSC]

[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=39221.msg1067622#msg1067622 date=1268312054]
[quote author=DHSC link=topic=39221.msg1067518#msg1067518 date=1268296802]
I wonder what Ottmar Hitzfield is up to nowadays.
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Hitzfeld brought our national team to the WC. Big achievement considering our poor start.
He signed a new contract until 2012.
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Oh I didn't know he's managing Switzerland now. Would he do well for us?

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=39221.msg1067656#msg1067656 date=1268317855]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39221.msg1067648#msg1067648 date=1268316317]
rijkaard:
won stuff
trusts youth
attacking mentaility
gets the best out of aging players





[/quote]

Youngsters included Messi
Fogies included Henry

The rest was just dross like Deco and Ronaldinho...

The man was a genius obviously
[/quote]Erm that's kind of the point. He took over a good squad that was underachieving, got rid of the bad eggs, promoted from within and turned what was a functional if a bit boring team (that was failing miserably in the league) and turned them into chamipons domestically and in Europe playing a different brand of amazing football.
No one is suggesting the squad was shit. The point is neither is ours.

 

[themn]

[quote author=keniget link=topic=39221.msg1067640#msg1067640 date=1268315475]
In fairness to Ten Cate though, the Chelsea squad is full of massive cunts
[/quote]

Too true.

I remember the League Cup Final Chelsea v Spurs from a couple of years ago.

Spurs won, Drogba went over to a linesman to piss and moan about something, Ten Cate was trying to haul him away from the official and Drogba, surprise surprise, wasn't having it.

 

[rebel23]

There really aren't many candidates that are good enough or have the calibre of Benitez, even at our lowest low, letting him solve the problems rather than getting someone WORSE can be a wise choice

most of the usual suspects people are quoting have dodgy records and are tactically not very good. Rijkaard benefited from the setup at Barcelona but proved tactically naive when up against Man Utd. Guardiola is a young manager thriving at Barce but he would struggle anywhere else, that's just a fact not that he's a bad manager but you need to have a lot of experience especially at Liverpool. Ten Cate?? Dear god... I dont think he's done ANYTHING and has spent most time as an assistant


One manager I do like if Benitez does go, is Joaquin Capparos, manager of Athletic Bilbao who are having a fine season on a shoestring budget. He's very experienced and respected, been around for a while and I believe he could be a success in the premiership. he will also have no problems working with the spanish and south american players and will also have a good knowledge of the kind of player he needs to be a success without having to spend a fortune

 

[Judge Jules]

[quote author=DHSC link=topic=39221.msg1067657#msg1067657 date=1268318558]
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=39221.msg1067622#msg1067622 date=1268312054]
[quote author=DHSC link=topic=39221.msg1067518#msg1067518 date=1268296802]
I wonder what Ottmar Hitzfield is up to nowadays.
[/quote]
Hitzfeld brought our national team to the WC. Big achievement considering our poor start.
He signed a new contract until 2012.
[/quote]

Oh I didn't know he's managing Switzerland now. Would he do well for us?
[/quote]

Hitzfeld's a good manager and has done well with Switzerland, but reports I read suggested he took some persuading to accept that job after pretty much burning out at Bayern. I'm sure the Liverpool job would tickle any manager's tastebuds, but it's questionable IMO whether Hitzfeld would have enough drive and desire to take us on in 2012 when he'll be two years older still.

 

[Tinto]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39221.msg1067659#msg1067659 date=1268319106]
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=39221.msg1067656#msg1067656 date=1268317855]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39221.msg1067648#msg1067648 date=1268316317]
rijkaard:
won stuff
trusts youth
attacking mentaility
gets the best out of aging players





[/quote]

Youngsters included Messi
Fogies included Henry

The rest was just dross like Deco and Ronaldinho...

The man was a genius obviously
[/quote]Erm that's kind of the point. He took over a good squad that was underachieving, got rid of the bad eggs, promoted from within and turned what was a functional if a bit boring team (that was failing miserably in the league) and turned them into chamipons domestically and in Europe playing a different brand of amazing football.
No one is suggesting the squad was shit. The point is neither is ours.
[/quote]

Oncy, you overstate Rijkaard's part in Barca's recent success. Sure, he played his part but the real driver was their president Laporta. First, he and his board got Rijkaard as their manager in the first place and kept faith with him when things were going badly early in the coach's reign. Second, they have a Sporting director there and he and Laporta signed the players that was a key to their revival, such as Ronaldihno.

Also, Barca was a mess off the pitch too and Laporta stabilized the club and helped reduce their massive debt that they had at the time.

More than anything, we need our own Laporta; a guy in charge with a vision for our club and the ability to employ the right people to realize that vision.

I don't know if you seen the BBC documentary about all this. If you love Barca, you will find it absolutely fascinating. There are links to it on youtube... wait, I'll post the link in the media forum.... just give me a few moments.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Tinto link=topic=39221.msg1067777#msg1067777 date=1268332200]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39221.msg1067659#msg1067659 date=1268319106]
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=39221.msg1067656#msg1067656 date=1268317855]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39221.msg1067648#msg1067648 date=1268316317]
rijkaard:
won stuff
trusts youth
attacking mentaility
gets the best out of aging players





[/quote]

Youngsters included Messi
Fogies included Henry

The rest was just dross like Deco and Ronaldinho...

The man was a genius obviously
[/quote]Erm that's kind of the point. He took over a good squad that was underachieving, got rid of the bad eggs, promoted from within and turned what was a functional if a bit boring team (that was failing miserably in the league) and turned them into chamipons domestically and in Europe playing a different brand of amazing football.
No one is suggesting the squad was shit. The point is neither is ours.
[/quote]

Oncy, you overstate Rijkaard's part in Barca's recent success. Sure, he played his part but the real driver was their president Laporta. First, he and his board got Rijkaard as their manager in the first place and kept faith with him when things were going badly early in the coach's reign. Second, they have a Sporting director there and he and Laporta signed the players that was a key to their revival, such as Ronaldihno.

Also, Barca was a mess off the pitch too and Laporta stabilized the club and helped reduce their massive debt that they had at the time.

More than anything, we need our own Laporta; a guy in charge with a vision for our club and the ability to employ the right people to realize that vision.

I don't know if you seen the BBC documentary about all this. If you love Barca, you will find it absolutely fascinating. There are links to it on youtube... wait, I'll post the link in the media forum.... just give me a few moments.



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so in short a manager should get none of the praise for the successes and all of the flak when the shit hits the fan?

 

[Rosco]

Joachim Löw ?

I think he's out of contract with the German National side this year, we've tried French and Spanish and they haven't worked so why not a German ?

 

[TheBunnyman]

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=39221.msg1067855#msg1067855 date=1268335955]
Joachim Löw ?

I think he's out of contract with the German National side this year, we've tried French and Spanish and they haven't worked so why not a German ?
[/quote]

How low can we go?

 

[Rosco]

It can't get much worse than this weeks football can it ?

 

[Tinto]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39221.msg1067817#msg1067817 date=1268333770]

so in short a manager should get none of the praise for the successes and all of the flak when the shit hits the fan?
[/quote]

Did I say that Neil?

Oncy made it sound like it was Rijkaard behind everything in Barca's recent success. I just pointed out that it wasn't. As I said Rijkaard played his part and it was indeed a very large part, but Barca continued success after Rijkaard's departure is down to the way the club is ran.

 

[the_khl]

I so much want us to hire a manager next whom made himself a name as a footballer too. No more chalk-board geeks only the real thing please.

Laudrup, Deschamps, Rijkaard, Blanc, Klinsmann, Someoneelse......

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Tinto link=topic=39221.msg1067901#msg1067901 date=1268337669]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39221.msg1067817#msg1067817 date=1268333770]

so in short a manager should get none of the praise for the successes and all of the flak when the shit hits the fan?
[/quote]

Did I say that Neil?

Oncy made it sound like it was Rijkaard behind everything in Barca's recent success. I just pointed out that it wasn't. As I said Rijkaard played his part and it was indeed a very large part, but Barca continued success after Rijkaard's departure is down to the way the club is ran.
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you could argue barca built on the base rijkaard established.

 

[Judge Jules]

[quote author=the_khl link=topic=39221.msg1067903#msg1067903 date=1268337807]
I so much want us to hire a manager next whom made himself a name as a footballer too. No more chalk-board geeks only the real thing please.

Laudrup, Deschamps, Rijkaard, Blanc, Klinsmann, Someoneelse......


[/quote]

Kristian, being able to manage has sweet faff all to do with whether the person concerned was a big-name player or not. On the contrary, top players often don't make good managers.

 

[the_khl]

[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=39221.msg1067920#msg1067920 date=1268338486]
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=39221.msg1067903#msg1067903 date=1268337807]
I so much want us to hire a manager next whom made himself a name as a footballer too. No more chalk-board geeks only the real thing please.

Laudrup, Deschamps, Rijkaard, Blanc, Klinsmann, Someoneelse......


[/quote]

Kristian, being able to manage has sweet faff all to do with whether the person concerned was a big-name player or not. On the contrary, top players often don't make good managers.
[/quote]
I know Jules but in recent years the best playing team in the world has had a former player in their hot-seat. First Rijkaard then Pep Guardiola. It can work a treat too.

I know there's no guarantees but I'd be prepared to take our chances especialy with the rather limited ammount of candidates elsewhere. I'd be absolutely gutted to see the likes of Redknapp, Hodgson (I like him as a person though), McLeish or some completely unknown Spaniard or French take over.

One very positive take on hiring a former topplayer as your manager is that he'd be able to attract the best talents around. If we are in a position where we can't compete on salaray and wages we'd put ourselves in a good position to have someone with a great rep leading us.

 

[keniget]

I think your logic is somewhat flawed there.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=the_khl link=topic=39221.msg1067934#msg1067934 date=1268339522]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=39221.msg1067920#msg1067920 date=1268338486]
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=39221.msg1067903#msg1067903 date=1268337807]
I so much want us to hire a manager next whom made himself a name as a footballer too. No more chalk-board geeks only the real thing please.

Laudrup, Deschamps, Rijkaard, Blanc, Klinsmann, Someoneelse......


[/quote]

Kristian, being able to manage has sweet faff all to do with whether the person concerned was a big-name player or not. On the contrary, top players often don't make good managers.
[/quote]
I know Jules but in recent years the best playing team in the world has had a former player in their hot-seat. First Rijkaard then Pep Guardiola. It can work a treat too.

I know there's no guarantees but I'd be prepared to take our chances especialy with the rather limited ammount of candidates elsewhere. I'd be absolutely gutted to see the likes of Redknapp, Hodgson (I like him as a person though), McLeish or some completely unknown Spaniard or French take over.

One very positive take on hiring a former topplayer as your manager is that he'd be able to attract the best talents around. If we are in a position where we can't compete on salaray and wages we'd put ourselves in a good position to have someone with a great rep leading us.
[/quote]It has to be someone slim who looks cool as fuck in a suit too.
I vote for Didi Hamman.

 

[the_khl]

[quote author=keniget link=topic=39221.msg1067950#msg1067950 date=1268340547]
I think your logic is somewhat flawed there.
[/quote]
I know it is.

But I really reckon it's time for something different. I want someone who's experienced top-level football on his own body combined with a tactical genius in the shades.

Someone who'll give us a lot of positive spin in the medias.
Someone players look up to and want to do die for.
Someone who's not too affraid of loosing.
Someone who's attacking-minded.
Someone who's respected.

Is this to much to ask?

Probably.

 

[Ryan]

The new Manager is important, but the structure and ownership around him is just as important.

People are citing Rijkaard, but he wouldn't have had the success he did without the influence and strategy put forward at the time by Laporta.

We could get ourselves any fucking decent Manager in the World and stick him in there, but if we don't change things at the top (the very top) then it's gonna be lipstick on a pig.

I want ownership sorted, a proper strategy, and everything done and put forward in support of the Football team. Otherwise we're just moving sideways.

 

[Rosco]

Sideways is better than backwards under Rafa

 

[keniget]

By the way, Laporta has got his own website now:

http://www.laporta2010.cat/

Hard not to laugh at the nutter.

 

[TheBunnyman]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39221.msg1067951#msg1067951 date=1268340767]
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=39221.msg1067934#msg1067934 date=1268339522]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=39221.msg1067920#msg1067920 date=1268338486]
[quote author=the_khl link=topic=39221.msg1067903#msg1067903 date=1268337807]
I so much want us to hire a manager next whom made himself a name as a footballer too. No more chalk-board geeks only the real thing please.

Laudrup, Deschamps, Rijkaard, Blanc, Klinsmann, Someoneelse......


[/quote]

Kristian, being able to manage has sweet faff all to do with whether the person concerned was a big-name player or not. On the contrary, top players often don't make good managers.
[/quote]
I know Jules but in recent years the best playing team in the world has had a former player in their hot-seat. First Rijkaard then Pep Guardiola. It can work a treat too.

I know there's no guarantees but I'd be prepared to take our chances especialy with the rather limited ammount of candidates elsewhere. I'd be absolutely gutted to see the likes of Redknapp, Hodgson (I like him as a person though), McLeish or some completely unknown Spaniard or French take over.

One very positive take on hiring a former topplayer as your manager is that he'd be able to attract the best talents around. If we are in a position where we can't compete on salaray and wages we'd put ourselves in a good position to have someone with a great rep leading us.
[/quote]It has to be someone slim who looks cool as fuck in a suit too.
I vote for Didi Hamman.
[/quote]

Cool in a suit? Didi?!