Where do they get this stuff?

[The Duck]

Pepe Reina will hold showdown talks with Liverpool to seek assurances about the direction the club.

The developments will be watched by Arsenal who look certain to make a move for the Spanish goalie if he remains unhappy at Anfield.

Although Reina had a close working relationship with former boss Rafa Benitez he does not appear to have the same bond with new boss Roy Hodgson.

The Gunners interest in him is clouding issues and Reina is deeply concerned about the direction Liverpool are going in.


Agent Manuel Garcia Quilon will meet with Liverpool new owners NESV to thrash out the player’s concerns and resolve any immediate issues over his future.

Reina said himself recently that this is the worst experience he has had since joining the club.

His contract runs until the summer on 2016 so he won’t come cheap for Arsenal if they attempt to take advantage of his troubled situation.

It’s believed that Liverpool could hold out for as much as £20 million before they even consider allowing Reina to leave.



Read more: http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Liverpool-keeper-Pepe-Reina-puts-Arsenal-on-red-alert-by-demanding-showdown-talks-with-Reds-owners-NESV-over-the-direction-the-club-is-headed-article612013.html#ixzz13ECxIvrS

 

[juniormember]

I'm sure the story's bollocks.
But wasn't there a rumor that he was very unhappy with the new goal keeping coach the Hodgson brought in? Or is this another bollocks rumor?

 

[FoxForceFive]

Erm, this does ring true TBH, apparently he's not happy at all with Roy & him trying to change his keeping style & techniques.

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=juniormember link=topic=42394.msg1204357#msg1204357 date=1287885346]
I'm sure the story's bollocks.
But wasn't there a rumor that he was very unhappy with the new goal keeping coach the Hodgson brought in? Or is this another bollocks rumor?
[/quote]

He made a comment about us changing the system, he didn't seem too chuffed.

 

[kingjulian]

We have got to keep him. But if he is really unhappy and we were really forced, i wouldn't mind taking a gamble on a young upstart and using the money to strengthen in other areas. We are leaking goals anyway, so what is going to change? But i think if Reina goes, Torres will follow him out the door, and that will probably mark the end of spanish players in the Liverpool team for some time yet.

Anything less than 30 million would be shocking business. He is a fucking fantastic goalkeeper.

 

[Asbo]

He won't be unhappy once Roys gone.

Pepe is the best Goalie in the Prem, and has 3 Golden Gloves in 5 years, but Roy is like a kid at Christmas, who unscrews his new Iphone to see whats inside.

He wants our 3 times Golden Gloves Goalie, to play a more 'English Style' and has changed all his training to reflect this.

The sooner the pricks gone the better, HodgePodge doesn't have a fucking clue!

 

[Judge Jules]

It's vital that Pepe stays, not only for his goalkeeping but also for his strength of character and (so far at any rate) commitment to the club. I hope to goodness someone other than his agent has a word with NESV and says as much.

 

[Jack D Rips]

Pepe is not the only rumour in the papers today. Torres and Johnson as well

 

[Rosco]

How much is Johnson supposed to be leaving for ?

£25 ?

 

[keniget]

Personally I don't think Pepe has any right to complain.

Hodgson has been employing the same methods for over 30 years in various footballing wastelands to limited to moderate success, so who is Pepe Reina to question them.

 

[Rosco]

Our goalkeeping coach is some geriatric who used to play for Wimbledon, Birmingham and QPR in the 50's to 70's.

It's laughable

 

[cobrastatus]

30m pounds minimum, and I don't think that's any kind of Red bias TBH. The list of goalkeepers better than Pepe is probably one name long:

Iker Casillas.

That's it. Pay the fuck up if you want this man.

 

[FoxForceFive]

Fuck that.

Three top players, Reina, Gerrard & Torres.

Our priorities in keeping them should be in that order & that order alone.

Reina is a higher priority than Stevie IMO due to his age, Stevie higher than Torres simply due to his influence on the pitch & Nando's injuries.

Any comment should be met with 'he's going nowhere'.

I'm sick to the stomach with this seemingly never ending saga of shite. We need some decisive action in removing Hodgson & employing a quality manager with a strong respected backroom staff.

 

[HC]

Barca can have Reina and Torres for £100m

 

[Judge Jules]

I don't want Torres to go, but at least there are other strikers out there who would do a better job than he's anywhere near doing at the moment. Pepe however is another matter entirely. Who would we replace him with, even if we had the money?

 

[HC]

Pepe should be nowhere near as important to this club as he is.

If we had 10 capable players infront of him,he'd win the golden glove by proxy of having naff all to do not having to work for it.

If selling him and Torres meant that we could have a mass overhaul with £150-200m of our entire squad and Woy wasn't the man picking the names out of the hat, I'd be happy.

 

[dee]

[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42394.msg1204457#msg1204457 date=1287919514]
I don't want Torres to go, but at least there are other strikers out there who would do a better job than he's anywhere near doing at the moment. Pepe however is another matter entirely. Who would we replace him with, even if we had the money?
[/quote]

Jones?

 

[Judge Jules]

Haha.

I just don't think it's as simple as Hardcastle makes out. Whatever the quality of the outfield players, a team needs a top keeper to be a title contender. There aren't many better than Pepe (if any - I'm not convinced Casillas is the better keeper) and it's a risk I'd prefer not to take before it's absolutely necessary.

 

[Rosco]

I know people don't like resorting to stats, but this is one area that a sabermetric like analysis could be done and could tell us how good Reina is.

I think it's possible, but ultimately too much work for anyone not involved in the game to do, to analyse how many goals a keeper is worth to a team over the course of a league season. I am absolutely certain that nobody in the Premier League would come close to Pepe Reina.

 

[HC]

[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42394.msg1204464#msg1204464 date=1287920251]
Haha.

I just don't think it's as simple as Hardcastle makes out. Whatever the quality of the outfield players, a team needs a top keeper to be a title contender. There aren't many better than Pepe (if any - I'm not convinced Casillas is the better keeper) and it's a risk I'd prefer not to take before it's absolutely necessary.
[/quote]

I think there are more keepers capable of being in title winning teams in the prem and Europe that wouldn't cost an arm and a leg than you think,JJ.

Wheres this world class keeper got us in the past 4 years, an F.a cup, I'll give you that as he bossed the peno's.

The squad is shocking, we could have Pepe for the next 10 years if there isnt a big influx of talent in the squad we'll still get nowhere near the title

 

[Jürgen4PM]

[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42394.msg1204464#msg1204464 date=1287920251]

I just don't think it's as simple as Hardcastle makes out. Whatever the quality of the outfield players, a team needs a top keeper to be a title contender. There aren't many better than Pepe (if any - I'm not convinced Casillas is the better keeper) and it's a risk I'd prefer not to take before it's absolutely necessary.
[/quote]

Yeah i'd go along with that mate.

The mancs and the gooners have proven how hard it can be to replace a top keeper.

 

[refugee]

[quote author=keniget link=topic=42394.msg1204447#msg1204447 date=1287918354]
Personally I don't think Pepe has any right to complain.

Hodgson has been employing the same methods for over 30 years in various footballing wastelands to limited to moderate success, so who is Pepe Reina to question them.
[/quote]

Good point. In fact Pepe should be grateful as he will become a better player because of this training regime.

 

[HC]

[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=42394.msg1204489#msg1204489 date=1287921380]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42394.msg1204464#msg1204464 date=1287920251]

I just don't think it's as simple as Hardcastle makes out. Whatever the quality of the outfield players, a team needs a top keeper to be a title contender. There aren't many better than Pepe (if any - I'm not convinced Casillas is the better keeper) and it's a risk I'd prefer not to take before it's absolutely necessary.
[/quote]

Yeah i'd go along with that mate.

The mancs and the gooners have proven how hard it can be to replace a top keeper.
[/quote]

And Arsenal a match winning centre forward and Utd a world class Forward/winger.

Having your match winners is just as important as having your shot stopper.

The best form of defence is attack. If your attacking you don't necessarily need a Pepe in goal but its nice if you do have one, obv.

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42394.msg1204468#msg1204468 date=1287920526]
I know people don't like resorting to stats, but this is one area that a sabermetric like analysis could be done and could tell us how good Reina is.

I think it's possible, but ultimately too much work for anyone not involved in the game to do, to analyse how many goals a keeper is worth to a team over the course of a league season. I am absolutely certain that nobody in the Premier League would come close to Pepe Reina.


[/quote]

I'm not sure how that would fair statistically, because relegation sides (and I realise our current position) usually have more shots to deal with, so the likes of Scott Carson (for example) could have a higher saves ratio.

 

[keniget]

Well, you can perhaps get past that by looking at the shots / saves percentage, but as they always say... the hallmark of a great keeper is one that has the concentration and class to pull off a great save when he's had nothing to do all game. I'm not quite sure how that can be measured.

As for buying another keeper, Spain have a few knocking about. Diego Lopez is decent. 20 year old Asenjo looked pretty promising at Valladolid gaining him a move to A.Madrid, which has gone down the shitter after injuring his thumb as 19 year old De Gea has owned the spot since.

 

[Rosco]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42394.msg1204504#msg1204504 date=1287922254]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42394.msg1204468#msg1204468 date=1287920526]
I know people don't like resorting to stats, but this is one area that a sabermetric like analysis could be done and could tell us how good Reina is.

I think it's possible, but ultimately too much work for anyone not involved in the game to do, to analyse how many goals a keeper is worth to a team over the course of a league season. I am absolutely certain that nobody in the Premier League would come close to Pepe Reina.


[/quote]

I'm not sure how that would fair statistically, because relegation sides (and I realise our current position) usually have more shots to deal with, so the likes of Scott Carson (for example) could have a higher saves ratio.
[/quote]

It's much more detailed than simply looking at the number or ratio of saves made.

It would be a breakdown of every single shot and save made. Divided into zones on the field and in the goal. By analysing every bit of data over the course of a season you can determine how various keepers perform compared to the average overall and in particular situations. i.e. a ball hit from 20 yards out to the low right side of the goal.

You could build up a true picture of where keepers are strong and weak. Rather than just saying keeper x is shit cos I saw him flap at a cross last week.

 

[FoxForceFive]

[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=42394.msg1204496#msg1204496 date=1287921990]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=42394.msg1204489#msg1204489 date=1287921380]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42394.msg1204464#msg1204464 date=1287920251]

I just don't think it's as simple as Hardcastle makes out. Whatever the quality of the outfield players, a team needs a top keeper to be a title contender. There aren't many better than Pepe (if any - I'm not convinced Casillas is the better keeper) and it's a risk I'd prefer not to take before it's absolutely necessary.
[/quote]

Yeah i'd go along with that mate.

The mancs and the gooners have proven how hard it can be to replace a top keeper.
[/quote]

And Arsenal a match winning centre forward and Utd a world class Forward/winger.

Having your match winners is just as important as having your shot stopper.

The best form of defence is attack. If your attacking you don't necessarily need a Pepe in goal but its nice if you do have one, obv.
[/quote]

Nah, not having that.

Had we had Pepe Reina instead of David James then we'd have won the league.

As well as his "shot-stopping" his distribution is execptional, so much so that I almost took it for granted until this season when it's slipped with his form.

He literally creates goals & the opportunity for assists (so a 'second assist' if you like) time & again.

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42394.msg1204519#msg1204519 date=1287922809]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42394.msg1204504#msg1204504 date=1287922254]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42394.msg1204468#msg1204468 date=1287920526]
I know people don't like resorting to stats, but this is one area that a sabermetric like analysis could be done and could tell us how good Reina is.

I think it's possible, but ultimately too much work for anyone not involved in the game to do, to analyse how many goals a keeper is worth to a team over the course of a league season. I am absolutely certain that nobody in the Premier League would come close to Pepe Reina.


[/quote]

I'm not sure how that would fair statistically, because relegation sides (and I realise our current position) usually have more shots to deal with, so the likes of Scott Carson (for example) could have a higher saves ratio.
[/quote]

It's much more detailed than simply looking at the number or ratio of saves made.

It would be a breakdown of every single shot and save made. Divided into zones on the field and in the goal. By analysing every bit of data over the course of a season you can determine how various keepers perform compared to the average overall and on particular situation. i.e. a ball hit from 20 yards out to the low right side of the goal.

You could build up a true picture of where keepers are strong and weak. Rather than just saying keeper x is shit cos I saw him flap at a cross last week.
[/quote]

Fair enough, it would probably then have to be broken down to simplify it, the amount of data would just be unreal. Like Keni said about concentration and pulling off a save when the keeper has had virtually nothing to do all game, so you'd have to consider stuff like that. Maybe a points system? I don't know. So many points for a rudimentary save, so many more for a more difficult save, so many more again for having to make a save after not being tested for a certain amount of time, etc. Difficult to measure, but interesting nonetheless!

 

[HC]

I'd rather have had Torres from two seasons go up until now then Pepe Reina.

He's an exceptional keeper, I'm not debating that.

I'm just saying that if push came to shove I'd rather have 1-2 exceptional players outfield and a half decent keeper in his place.

 

[Rafiagra]

When Pepe is pissed off, you know there is something seriously damaging.

So our best players arent happy with Hodgson and the fans want him out ASAP. He really does need fucking off now before he can do any more damage.

When Hodgson joined, there was all this talk that he'd convinced players to stay. Not sure I really believe that now. What I do believe, is that he's convincing them to leave.