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[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=42394.msg1204526#msg1204526 date=1287923130]
I'd rather have had Torres from two seasons go up until now then Pepe Reina.

He's an exceptional keeper, I'm not debating that.

I'm just saying that if push came to shove I'd rather have 1-2 exceptional players outfield and a half decent keeper in his place.
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Arsenal are living proof of why you need a top class keeper. I'd be gutted to lose Pepe.
 
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42394.msg1204468#msg1204468 date=1287920526]
I know people don't like resorting to stats, but this is one area that a sabermetric like analysis could be done and could tell us how good Reina is.

I think it's possible, but ultimately too much work for anyone not involved in the game to do, to analyse how many goals a keeper is worth to a team over the course of a league season. I am absolutely certain that nobody in the Premier League would come close to Pepe Reina.


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I'm not sure how that would fair statistically, because relegation sides (and I realise our current position) usually have more shots to deal with, so the likes of Scott Carson (for example) could have a higher saves ratio.
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It's much more detailed than simply looking at the number or ratio of saves made.

It would be a breakdown of every single shot and save made. Divided into zones on the field and in the goal. By analysing every bit of data over the course of a season you can determine how various keepers perform compared to the average overall and on particular situation. i.e. a ball hit from 20 yards out to the low right side of the goal.

You could build up a true picture of where keepers are strong and weak. Rather than just saying keeper x is shit cos I saw him flap at a cross last week.
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Fair enough, it would probably then have to be broken down to simplify it, the amount of data would just be unreal. Like Keni said about concentration and pulling off a save when the keeper has had virtually nothing to do all game, so you'd have to consider stuff like that. Maybe a points system? I don't know. So many points for a rudimentary save, so many more for a more difficult save, so many more again for having to make a save after not being tested for a certain amount of time, etc. Difficult to measure, but interesting nonetheless!
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It's a huge undertaking to do it, but it is the sort of thing that NESV brought to the Red Sox. But they have the advantage of only needing to do it for one country.

Imagine if we had the info and others didn't bother looking at it ? We're at a simply massive advantage when we go looking for a replacement Goalkeeper, or even from a strategy point of view by finding out where opposition goalkeepers are poor.
 
I thought they did all this statto shit with Prozone and the like. All Rafa ever talked about was analysing games and what not.
 
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[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=42394.msg1204526#msg1204526 date=1287923130]
I'd rather have had Torres from two seasons go up until now then Pepe Reina.

He's an exceptional keeper, I'm not debating that.

I'm just saying that if push came to shove I'd rather have 1-2 exceptional players outfield and a half decent keeper in his place.
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Arsenal are living proof of why you need a top class keeper. I'd be gutted to lose Pepe.
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Great teams are always built on the foundation which a great keeper like Pepe provides. Having a great reliable keeper like him provides a platform. If we have a not so reliable keeper, the defenders and midfielders are always on the edge.

Another reason is that Pepe gets us. We are talking about the future captain of Liverpool here.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=42394.msg1204531#msg1204531 date=1287923484]
I thought they did all this statto shit with Prozone and the like. All Rafa ever talked about was analysing games and what not.
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I think they do Keni.


POST-MATCH ANALYSIS
Prozone can provide performance information after the match for both home and away games allowing you to analyse every aspect of team and player performance.

Information is presented using a range of video clips, in-depth data, full-pitch animation and multi-layered graphics giving coaching staff a unique insight into performance and an interactive platform to present those findings to players.

Effective post-match analysis provides the platform for objective insight into performance that enables coaches to supplement their own intuition with scientific information. Post-match analysis can be used to identify strengths and weaknesses in both player and team performance and allows you to create and adapt effective training programmes and manage specific areas in need of improvement.

OBJECTIVE PERFORMANCE REVIEW
Helps to supplement your understanding of the game with precise and objective performance reviews after every game you play

PLAYER EVALUATION
Helps to inform the player recruitment process through accurate and validated physical, technical and tactical performance indicators

INDIVIDUALISED TRAINING PROGRAMMES
Allows you to create and adapt training programmes for individual players, units within the team and the team as a whole

INFORMING PLAYER SELECTION
Provides evidence for team selection, squad rotation and tactical changes

IDENTIFYING INJURIES
Helps you to identify injury causes, patterns and possible prevention strategies

SETTING GOALS
Allows you to set realistic goals and objectives for specific matches, for the entire season, for individual players or for the team as a whole
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42394.msg1204547#msg1204547 date=1287924776]
We don't use Prozone
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Roy's probably too scared of the computer
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=42394.msg1204549#msg1204549 date=1287924929]
I'm sure I remember reading about an equivalent though.
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Yeah there is one beginning with A.

I'd like to see what sort of info they collect and how it's used.
 
[quote author=Rafiagra link=topic=42394.msg1204548#msg1204548 date=1287924927]
Roy's probably too scared of the computer
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hahhahaha!
In any case, Samwise gamgee was so alarmed at Roy's tactical prowess that he came down from the upper stands before half-time. Go figure.
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=42394.msg1204520#msg1204520 date=1287922841]

Nah, not having that.

Had we had Pepe Reina instead of David James then we'd have won the league.

He literally creates goals & the opportunity for assists (so a 'second assist' if you like) time & again.
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Someone like Reina distributing play to a young but absolutely rapid Owen would have been a sight to watch.

May be we should still try and get Walcott for this reason.
 
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