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Man, am I relieved it's the King and not Roy in charge now that the Torres zit has burst.
[quote author=Binny link=topic=43495.msg1273807#msg1273807 date=1296536134]
He probably sees a bit of John Toshack, Dalglish’s old strike partner, in the tall and imposing Carroll[/b]
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I'm being very pedantic, but Dalglish joined in summer of 77 and Toshack left in November 77. Hardly his strike partner for long then.
He probably sees a bit of John Toshack, Dalglish’s old strike partner, in the tall and imposing Carroll[/b]
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I'm being very pedantic, but Dalglish joined in summer of 77 and Toshack left in November 77. Hardly his strike partner for long then.
No pedantry there IMO. It was a somewhat silly point for whichever journo was responsible to try and make.
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=43495.msg1248930#msg1248930 date=1294683225]
Why do these cunts keep banging on about Kenny Dalglish putting his 'legendary status on the line'?
Like we would ever turn on him, regardless of results?
Do they know fucking *nothing* about Liverpool?
This man is arguably the greatest player we've ever had. He's won every conceivable trophy as player and manager more than once.
He's so obviously, impossibly in love wit the club that it's almost fucking ridiculous.
And what Kenny did, and how he acted, and how he led us after the tragedy of Hillsbrough, has elevated him to a an untouchable position at the club that very few other people, at any club on Earth, could ever match.
So it's the most pointless, ignorant question ever.
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Word for word. Abso-fucking-lutely.
Why do these cunts keep banging on about Kenny Dalglish putting his 'legendary status on the line'?
Like we would ever turn on him, regardless of results?
Do they know fucking *nothing* about Liverpool?
This man is arguably the greatest player we've ever had. He's won every conceivable trophy as player and manager more than once.
He's so obviously, impossibly in love wit the club that it's almost fucking ridiculous.
And what Kenny did, and how he acted, and how he led us after the tragedy of Hillsbrough, has elevated him to a an untouchable position at the club that very few other people, at any club on Earth, could ever match.
So it's the most pointless, ignorant question ever.
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Word for word. Abso-fucking-lutely.
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=43495.msg1248930#msg1248930 date=1294683225]
Why do these cunts keep banging on about Kenny Dalglish putting his 'legendary status on the line'?
Like we would ever turn on him, regardless of results?
Do they know fucking *nothing* about Liverpool?
This man is arguably the greatest player we've ever had. He's won every conceivable trophy as player and manager more than once.
He's so obviously, impossibly in love wit the club that it's almost fucking ridiculous.
And what Kenny did, and how he acted, and how he led us after the tragedy of Hillsbrough, has elevated him to a an untouchable position at the club that very few other people, at any club on Earth, could ever match.
So it's the most pointless, ignorant question ever.
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Word for word. Abso-fucking-lutely.
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His legend is getting even bigger with every passing day.
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=43495.msg1248930#msg1248930 date=1294683225]
Why do these cunts keep banging on about Kenny Dalglish putting his 'legendary status on the line'?
Like we would ever turn on him, regardless of results?
Do they know fucking *nothing* about Liverpool?
This man is arguably the greatest player we've ever had. He's won every conceivable trophy as player and manager more than once.
He's so obviously, impossibly in love wit the club that it's almost fucking ridiculous.
And what Kenny did, and how he acted, and how he led us after the tragedy of Hillsbrough, has elevated him to a an untouchable position at the club that very few other people, at any club on Earth, could ever match.
So it's the most pointless, ignorant question ever.
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Word for word. Abso-fucking-lutely.
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His legend is getting even bigger with every passing day.
Cometh the hour....
Unless our Jewish brethren claim him as the new Moses first. 😉
I like it. 8) One thing which has gone relatively uncommented on has been the degree of support which Kenny's had from his family, who are clearly delighted he's back in charge. That's got to be good news for Kenny himself and hence for the club in general.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=43495.msg1274322#msg1274322 date=1296564387]
Unless our Jewish brethren claim him as the new Moses first. 😉
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Ha ! Looking forward to the parting of the Red Sea (Mersey) for the doubters and then it'll all come to pass.
Unless our Jewish brethren claim him as the new Moses first. 😉
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Ha ! Looking forward to the parting of the Red Sea (Mersey) for the doubters and then it'll all come to pass.
Kenny's 1st 2 (1st team) signings on his 2nd homecoming:
[size=12pt]Dalglish lashes out at critics of Carroll transfer [/size]
ESPN staff
February 3, 2011
Kenny Dalglish has hit out at Andy Carroll's detractors following his £35 million move from Newcastle to Liverpool.
Carroll has been brought in as a replacement for Fernando Torres, but eyebrows have been raised on the business sense of spending a British record transfer fee on a player who has spent just six months as a regular in the English Premier League.
The 22-year-old striker faced a lot of questions about his ability to justify his price tag in Thursday's press conference, and Dalglish was itching to have his say by the time the media turned to the Liverpool manager.
"We're a bit more upbeat about Andy Carroll joining than you are. [size=10pt]Every question you ask has negativity in it[/size]," said Dalglish.
"I don't see any reason to be negative in any way, shape or form about Andy Carroll signing for Liverpool Football Club. It's a great signing for us, as is the signing of Luis [Suarez], it's fantastic for us.
"We can assure Andy we're far more positive than yourselves are. We are looking forward to getting him fit, up and ready, and I'm sure he's anxious to play as well. It might be a few weeks, but we didn't sign him for a few weeks. We signed him for five and a half years."
Dalglish began life without Torres with a 2-0 victory over Stoke on Wednesday, his third straight win sweetened by a third consecutive clean sheet, not to mention a debut goal from Suarez. Now he wants to add Carroll into his improving Liverpool side.
"Andy has huge potential, he's already in the England squad, and he is the best player we could have got for the position. Everybody in here has to justify their wages and their costs, so if you lot can do that for yourselves, I'm sure you can do it for us."
ESPN staff
February 3, 2011
Kenny Dalglish has hit out at Andy Carroll's detractors following his £35 million move from Newcastle to Liverpool.
Carroll has been brought in as a replacement for Fernando Torres, but eyebrows have been raised on the business sense of spending a British record transfer fee on a player who has spent just six months as a regular in the English Premier League.
The 22-year-old striker faced a lot of questions about his ability to justify his price tag in Thursday's press conference, and Dalglish was itching to have his say by the time the media turned to the Liverpool manager.
"We're a bit more upbeat about Andy Carroll joining than you are. [size=10pt]Every question you ask has negativity in it[/size]," said Dalglish.
"I don't see any reason to be negative in any way, shape or form about Andy Carroll signing for Liverpool Football Club. It's a great signing for us, as is the signing of Luis [Suarez], it's fantastic for us.
"We can assure Andy we're far more positive than yourselves are. We are looking forward to getting him fit, up and ready, and I'm sure he's anxious to play as well. It might be a few weeks, but we didn't sign him for a few weeks. We signed him for five and a half years."
Dalglish began life without Torres with a 2-0 victory over Stoke on Wednesday, his third straight win sweetened by a third consecutive clean sheet, not to mention a debut goal from Suarez. Now he wants to add Carroll into his improving Liverpool side.
"Andy has huge potential, he's already in the England squad, and he is the best player we could have got for the position. Everybody in here has to justify their wages and their costs, so if you lot can do that for yourselves, I'm sure you can do it for us."
The media will rapidly learn, if they haven't already, not to try and muck about with the King. 8)
[quote author=dmishra link=topic=43495.msg1277245#msg1277245 date=1296740198]
And all said politely.
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And there is the difference between all Dalglish and new Dalglish. Previously he viewed the press with massive suspicion and behaved like a gnarly old man.
Now he rams it back up them with a smile and politeness and gives them nowhere to go. Cometh the hour, cometh the man. I had tears in my eyes when I heard he'd left in 91 and when he came out of the tunnel v Everton the tears were there again. Big jessie that I am!
And all said politely.
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And there is the difference between all Dalglish and new Dalglish. Previously he viewed the press with massive suspicion and behaved like a gnarly old man.
Now he rams it back up them with a smile and politeness and gives them nowhere to go. Cometh the hour, cometh the man. I had tears in my eyes when I heard he'd left in 91 and when he came out of the tunnel v Everton the tears were there again. Big jessie that I am!
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[quote author=dmishra link=topic=43495.msg1277245#msg1277245 date=1296740198]
And all said politely.
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And there is the difference between all Dalglish and new Dalglish. Previously he viewed the press with massive suspicion and behaved like a gnarly old man.
Now he rams it back up them with a smile and politeness and gives them nowhere to go. Cometh the hour, cometh the man. I had tears in my eyes when I heard he'd left in 91 and when he came out of the tunnel v Everton the tears were there again. Big jessie that I am!
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Would have loved to have been there
[quote author=dmishra link=topic=43495.msg1277245#msg1277245 date=1296740198]
And all said politely.
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And there is the difference between all Dalglish and new Dalglish. Previously he viewed the press with massive suspicion and behaved like a gnarly old man.
Now he rams it back up them with a smile and politeness and gives them nowhere to go. Cometh the hour, cometh the man. I had tears in my eyes when I heard he'd left in 91 and when he came out of the tunnel v Everton the tears were there again. Big jessie that I am!
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Would have loved to have been there
any shots of the new pic?
"It feels a bit like waking up from a nightmare," he said.
"Shanks," said St John, "had a thousand sayings, and many of them were hilarious. But there wasn't a match before which he didn't say one thing with deadly seriousness. It didn't matter who you were, and what you had done in the last game, you were told, 'Justify your inclusion.' He spat it out.
"Watching Liverpool beat Chelsea on Sunday – and beating them well in so many ways, not least in that each player was more committed to what he was doing and clear about his purpose – I kept thinking, 'Kenny is halfway there already, he has done the most important thing – he has made the players responsible for their own performances, yes, he has said, 'Justify your inclusion.' Of course, it was something so much easier to say with Fernando Torres gone. Yes, you knew he was a player of great talent and that at any time he might do something remarkable – but one fact was apparent for so long. His inclusion was automatic. He didn't have to justify it and that is something that destroys the rest of the players.
"I believe Liverpool can put that behind them now. Obviously, Kenny needs more players, but in the meantime he has shown that he can get so much more out of the ones he has."
St John has been for some years now an ambivalent witness of the club he served so well for so long.
Gérard Houllier railed against his criticisms and Rafa Benitez was also angered when the old player, having paid his respects to the initial Champions League success, despaired of the team's failure to make an authentic title challenge in six years of seeping decline. "What was so discouraging," says St John, "was that the same old mistakes were happening under Houllier and then Benitez and Roy Hodgson in his own brief time. You just couldn't see anyone getting consistently better."
But on Sunday, St John noted something remarkable, more thrilling in its way even than the huge performance of the returning Jamie Carragher and the latest example of the match-winning marksmanship of Raul Meireles.
He saw Lucas look like a midfield player, a real one who involved himself in joined-up moves, who passed the ball and then found more advanced and menacing positions with something that looked like genuine conviction.
"Kenny doesn't pretend to be a coach," St John goes on. "He's gone out and got himself a top one in Steve Clarke. Kenny doesn't take training but he watches training, he sees what's happening and when I saw Lucas on Sunday I said to myself, 'Yes, he's had a word with the lad. He's told him where he isn't coming up to scratch. He's told him that there really isn't any such thing as a withdrawn midfielder because every formation anyone ever dreamt up is changed by the movement of the ball and the opposing team.'
"No, there's no withdrawn midfielder in the books of football men like Kenny. There are midfielders with responsibilities, and they include the ability to adapt to the moving game.
"For a long time I'd said that as far as I was concerned Lucas could get on the next boat to wherever he came from – but not on Sunday, the boy looked as though he could play and that he really wanted to play. Of course, he has to prove himself between now and the end of the season, but you could see things happening, enough of them to make you wonder about old judgements."
St John, who once complained that the football of Houllier had turned Anfield into an arena filled not with some of the most boisterously witty fans in the land but so many zombies, sees little point in disinterring the polemics of the Benitez departure. "It was clear enough he had run his course in that last season," says St John, "and it's a bit bizarre that he's talking about returning to his old job. You have to say that already Kenny Dalglish has reminded us of what went missing in recent years."
What precisely? Maybe more than anything the understanding that players did not have to be taught how to play but how to grow stronger in their self-belief and demands placed on themselves. They didn't have to be chivvied into minute positional changes in front of a full house. They didn't have to feel part of some endless seminar, a sensation experienced by at least some of the Liverpool players in the dog days of Benitez and Hodgson and, it is reasonable to presume, those of Internazionale in the former's last days at San Siro.
Interestingly, the Internazionale goalkeeper Julio Cesar declared after Sunday's 5-3 victory over Roma, which took them still closer to leaders Milan: "Everything feels better, brighter now." There are similar stories emerging from Liverpool's recently sombre Melwood training ground. They include reports of players entering the facility with smiles on their faces, and leaving some hours later in more or less the same condition.
Heaven knows where it will all end but then at least one Saint of impeccable antecedents believes at least a little legitimate faith has been restored.
"Shanks," said St John, "had a thousand sayings, and many of them were hilarious. But there wasn't a match before which he didn't say one thing with deadly seriousness. It didn't matter who you were, and what you had done in the last game, you were told, 'Justify your inclusion.' He spat it out.
"Watching Liverpool beat Chelsea on Sunday – and beating them well in so many ways, not least in that each player was more committed to what he was doing and clear about his purpose – I kept thinking, 'Kenny is halfway there already, he has done the most important thing – he has made the players responsible for their own performances, yes, he has said, 'Justify your inclusion.' Of course, it was something so much easier to say with Fernando Torres gone. Yes, you knew he was a player of great talent and that at any time he might do something remarkable – but one fact was apparent for so long. His inclusion was automatic. He didn't have to justify it and that is something that destroys the rest of the players.
"I believe Liverpool can put that behind them now. Obviously, Kenny needs more players, but in the meantime he has shown that he can get so much more out of the ones he has."
St John has been for some years now an ambivalent witness of the club he served so well for so long.
Gérard Houllier railed against his criticisms and Rafa Benitez was also angered when the old player, having paid his respects to the initial Champions League success, despaired of the team's failure to make an authentic title challenge in six years of seeping decline. "What was so discouraging," says St John, "was that the same old mistakes were happening under Houllier and then Benitez and Roy Hodgson in his own brief time. You just couldn't see anyone getting consistently better."
But on Sunday, St John noted something remarkable, more thrilling in its way even than the huge performance of the returning Jamie Carragher and the latest example of the match-winning marksmanship of Raul Meireles.
He saw Lucas look like a midfield player, a real one who involved himself in joined-up moves, who passed the ball and then found more advanced and menacing positions with something that looked like genuine conviction.
"Kenny doesn't pretend to be a coach," St John goes on. "He's gone out and got himself a top one in Steve Clarke. Kenny doesn't take training but he watches training, he sees what's happening and when I saw Lucas on Sunday I said to myself, 'Yes, he's had a word with the lad. He's told him where he isn't coming up to scratch. He's told him that there really isn't any such thing as a withdrawn midfielder because every formation anyone ever dreamt up is changed by the movement of the ball and the opposing team.'
"No, there's no withdrawn midfielder in the books of football men like Kenny. There are midfielders with responsibilities, and they include the ability to adapt to the moving game.
"For a long time I'd said that as far as I was concerned Lucas could get on the next boat to wherever he came from – but not on Sunday, the boy looked as though he could play and that he really wanted to play. Of course, he has to prove himself between now and the end of the season, but you could see things happening, enough of them to make you wonder about old judgements."
St John, who once complained that the football of Houllier had turned Anfield into an arena filled not with some of the most boisterously witty fans in the land but so many zombies, sees little point in disinterring the polemics of the Benitez departure. "It was clear enough he had run his course in that last season," says St John, "and it's a bit bizarre that he's talking about returning to his old job. You have to say that already Kenny Dalglish has reminded us of what went missing in recent years."
What precisely? Maybe more than anything the understanding that players did not have to be taught how to play but how to grow stronger in their self-belief and demands placed on themselves. They didn't have to be chivvied into minute positional changes in front of a full house. They didn't have to feel part of some endless seminar, a sensation experienced by at least some of the Liverpool players in the dog days of Benitez and Hodgson and, it is reasonable to presume, those of Internazionale in the former's last days at San Siro.
Interestingly, the Internazionale goalkeeper Julio Cesar declared after Sunday's 5-3 victory over Roma, which took them still closer to leaders Milan: "Everything feels better, brighter now." There are similar stories emerging from Liverpool's recently sombre Melwood training ground. They include reports of players entering the facility with smiles on their faces, and leaving some hours later in more or less the same condition.
Heaven knows where it will all end but then at least one Saint of impeccable antecedents believes at least a little legitimate faith has been restored.
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