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Each time I see a quote from John Henry I wonder if he was a Red in a previous life. 8)
Arf.
I dont know why people are surprised. We have won the title 3 of the last 5 seasons with Kenny in charge 😉
Kenny has proved a lot of people wrong. People thought his game was outdated, but the way he pushed Chelsea around in the weekend was a masterstroke Mourinho would have stolen big headlines for. His team press together as a unit, but his team also offers support for each other when attacking.
I am not sure about all scientific training methods etc. Maybe he hasnt kept up with all that. But the game of footie hasnt changed above his head. His team is still playing as a team and it is about keeping possesion and moving around. I had a brilliant view from high up at the Kop in the Stoke match. People were seeking rooms and wanted the ball back, whereas under "tactical genious" Rafa they were much more static when the team had the ball. Imagine what passing masters as Aquilani or Alonso could do to this kind of football!!!
I just love King Kenny!!! Fucking hell.. he was my age when he retired form Pool last time...
I am not sure about all scientific training methods etc. Maybe he hasnt kept up with all that. But the game of footie hasnt changed above his head. His team is still playing as a team and it is about keeping possesion and moving around. I had a brilliant view from high up at the Kop in the Stoke match. People were seeking rooms and wanted the ball back, whereas under "tactical genious" Rafa they were much more static when the team had the ball. Imagine what passing masters as Aquilani or Alonso could do to this kind of football!!!
I just love King Kenny!!! Fucking hell.. he was my age when he retired form Pool last time...
[quote author=keniget link=topic=43495.msg1281710#msg1281710 date=1297166541]
I don't see why there needs to be any rush to make an announcement or indeed a decision.
Wait till the summer
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Wait for what?
There should be as of today a contract there where the period length is: Until you quit.
I don't see why there needs to be any rush to make an announcement or indeed a decision.
Wait till the summer
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Wait for what?
There should be as of today a contract there where the period length is: Until you quit.
I agree with keni, for a variety of reasons. FSG have already said the appointment's till the summer in the first instance, I think the King being a caretaker (at least for now) actually lifts a degree of pressure off him and off the situation generally and, last but not least, it gives the club time to properly plan their vision of the future, whether that's with the King - which does look increasingly likely - or not.
'not roy's fault, it's the players'
[quote author=RolandG link=topic=43495.msg1281916#msg1281916 date=1297188221]
They make well make the permanent now and not make any announcement until the summer!
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I'd say this is close to the truth - as others have said there is no rush to make the announcement now, given that form and morale are on the up.
FSG are shrewd operators, shrewd enough to know that the announcement of Kenny as full time manager will unleash a tidal wave of positive publicity and goodwill from the fans - why waste that now? After all, it's hardly likely Kenny is going to get peeved about the situation as it stands.
If and when the club suffers a wobble, they might just counter it by announcing his permanent appointment.
Or maybe they'll wait til the eve of the mancs game 😉
They make well make the permanent now and not make any announcement until the summer!
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I'd say this is close to the truth - as others have said there is no rush to make the announcement now, given that form and morale are on the up.
FSG are shrewd operators, shrewd enough to know that the announcement of Kenny as full time manager will unleash a tidal wave of positive publicity and goodwill from the fans - why waste that now? After all, it's hardly likely Kenny is going to get peeved about the situation as it stands.
If and when the club suffers a wobble, they might just counter it by announcing his permanent appointment.
Or maybe they'll wait til the eve of the mancs game 😉
It may well be a good thing for the future of the club. If we fuck around and risk stability again this Summer then it's like starting afresh (again) and is a bit of an obstacle when trying to attract good players, unless we do the unimaginable and get Mourinho.
Being realistic, keep Kenny, keep buying for the future and putting emphasis on building the side for the longterm just as much as the short term and bring in players who WANT to play for shirt and understand the meaning of the fucking words to the song.
Being realistic, keep Kenny, keep buying for the future and putting emphasis on building the side for the longterm just as much as the short term and bring in players who WANT to play for shirt and understand the meaning of the fucking words to the song.
King Kenny has enabled me to read the footie pages again, post of 6CM again, watch a match without fearing that it would be the end of the world - he has instilled a pride in being an lfc fan (not sure what that says about me). I would love him to succeed bit I fear that if he was given the job his latent defensive tendencies may over time be the undoing of him - however, I appreciate i am be doing him a disservice from his Newcastle days,
I guess the only question mark is what happens when we go on a bad run.
I am amazed.... Truly...
People say "wait until the summer. Evaluate the season with Dalglish. Look at available managers and then make a decision. "
People say "it gives the club time to properly plan their vision of the future, whether that's with the King - which does look increasingly likely - or not."
People say "I don't see why there needs to be any rush to make an announcement or indeed a decision"
People say "Then again if we continue this streak, get a CL spot and win the Euro League the decision to keep Dalglish would be made for them by the fans. "
I will not patonize you guys. But you havent got a clue. You expect miracles when it comes to results, with what is highly regarded as a poor squad. But Kenny right now is not about results. It is about pure presence. he took your beloved club out of the dirt and gave it right back at you. Suddenly you felt proud to be red. Suddenløy you kept your high up in footie discussions. Suddenly you started to read interviews of the Liverpool manager with a lifted mood. And you dare to say, wait and see who is available? There is noone available like King Kenny. he is the last samurai. You should cherish every day he is here as if it was his last, because the only bad thing about him is that one day will be his last. You should pray that he stays for 5 more years, and after that it all starts with an S and have a mustache again.
Who could be available better than Kenny? Who?
Kenny is the last of the line who knows 100% what this club is all about and will deliver by that. What does he have to prove to any of you? he won you the league 3 of the 5 last seasons he was here. What else does he need to prove? Nothing. Zip. He is Liverpool FC, and there is no reason to wait.
People say "wait until the summer. Evaluate the season with Dalglish. Look at available managers and then make a decision. "
People say "it gives the club time to properly plan their vision of the future, whether that's with the King - which does look increasingly likely - or not."
People say "I don't see why there needs to be any rush to make an announcement or indeed a decision"
People say "Then again if we continue this streak, get a CL spot and win the Euro League the decision to keep Dalglish would be made for them by the fans. "
I will not patonize you guys. But you havent got a clue. You expect miracles when it comes to results, with what is highly regarded as a poor squad. But Kenny right now is not about results. It is about pure presence. he took your beloved club out of the dirt and gave it right back at you. Suddenly you felt proud to be red. Suddenløy you kept your high up in footie discussions. Suddenly you started to read interviews of the Liverpool manager with a lifted mood. And you dare to say, wait and see who is available? There is noone available like King Kenny. he is the last samurai. You should cherish every day he is here as if it was his last, because the only bad thing about him is that one day will be his last. You should pray that he stays for 5 more years, and after that it all starts with an S and have a mustache again.
Who could be available better than Kenny? Who?
Kenny is the last of the line who knows 100% what this club is all about and will deliver by that. What does he have to prove to any of you? he won you the league 3 of the 5 last seasons he was here. What else does he need to prove? Nothing. Zip. He is Liverpool FC, and there is no reason to wait.
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=43495.msg1282230#msg1282230 date=1297240745]
I am amazed.... Truly...
People say "wait until the summer. Evaluate the season with Dalglish. Look at available managers and then make a decision. "
People say "it gives the club time to properly plan their vision of the future, whether that's with the King - which does look increasingly likely - or not."
People say "I don't see why there needs to be any rush to make an announcement or indeed a decision"
People say "Then again if we continue this streak, get a CL spot and win the Euro League the decision to keep Dalglish would be made for them by the fans. "
I will not patonize you guys. But you havent got a clue. You expect miracles when it comes to results, with what is highly regarded as a poor squad. But Kenny right now is not about results. It is about pure presence. he took your beloved club out of the dirt and gave it right back at you. Suddenly you felt proud to be red. Suddenløy you kept your high up in footie discussions. Suddenly you started to read interviews of the Liverpool manager with a lifted mood. And you dare to say, wait and see who is available? There is noone available like King Kenny. he is the last samurai. You should cherish every day he is here as if it was his last, because the only bad thing about him is that one day will be his last. You should pray that he stays for 5 more years, and after that it all starts with an S and have a mustache again.
Who could be available better than Kenny? Who?
Kenny is the last of the line who knows 100% what this club is all about and will deliver by that. What does he have to prove to any of you? he won you the league 3 of the 5 last seasons he was here. What else does he need to prove? Nothing. Zip. He is Liverpool FC, and there is no reason to wait.
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Hang on a sec, aren't you the guy that started the Yanks Out thread a couple months into their tenure?
I am amazed.... Truly...
People say "wait until the summer. Evaluate the season with Dalglish. Look at available managers and then make a decision. "
People say "it gives the club time to properly plan their vision of the future, whether that's with the King - which does look increasingly likely - or not."
People say "I don't see why there needs to be any rush to make an announcement or indeed a decision"
People say "Then again if we continue this streak, get a CL spot and win the Euro League the decision to keep Dalglish would be made for them by the fans. "
I will not patonize you guys. But you havent got a clue. You expect miracles when it comes to results, with what is highly regarded as a poor squad. But Kenny right now is not about results. It is about pure presence. he took your beloved club out of the dirt and gave it right back at you. Suddenly you felt proud to be red. Suddenløy you kept your high up in footie discussions. Suddenly you started to read interviews of the Liverpool manager with a lifted mood. And you dare to say, wait and see who is available? There is noone available like King Kenny. he is the last samurai. You should cherish every day he is here as if it was his last, because the only bad thing about him is that one day will be his last. You should pray that he stays for 5 more years, and after that it all starts with an S and have a mustache again.
Who could be available better than Kenny? Who?
Kenny is the last of the line who knows 100% what this club is all about and will deliver by that. What does he have to prove to any of you? he won you the league 3 of the 5 last seasons he was here. What else does he need to prove? Nothing. Zip. He is Liverpool FC, and there is no reason to wait.
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Hang on a sec, aren't you the guy that started the Yanks Out thread a couple months into their tenure?
I get your point, but I still think we have to be rational.
Don't get me wrong I love having Kenny back, but results do matter as well. I don't think we would have felt this way if we lost all the matches with Kenny.
We gave Rafa a 4-5 year contract after we finished 2nd, despite him having like 2 years left. The season after that was a horror show. But we had him tied down for like 4 more years.
At the end of the season the board has to look at the results and ask, have we progressed?
Are the players happy?
Can progress even further?
Are there any managers out there that can perform better?
Is Kenny the way forward?
Then make a decision.
Don't get me wrong I love having Kenny back, but results do matter as well. I don't think we would have felt this way if we lost all the matches with Kenny.
We gave Rafa a 4-5 year contract after we finished 2nd, despite him having like 2 years left. The season after that was a horror show. But we had him tied down for like 4 more years.
At the end of the season the board has to look at the results and ask, have we progressed?
Are the players happy?
Can progress even further?
Are there any managers out there that can perform better?
Is Kenny the way forward?
Then make a decision.
[quote author=Modo link=topic=43495.msg1282249#msg1282249 date=1297242541]
I get your point, but I still think we have to be rational.
Don't get me wrong I love having Kenny back, but results do matter as well. I don't think we would have felt this way if we lost all the matches with Kenny.
We gave Rafa a 4-5 year contract after we finished 2nd, despite him having like 2 years left. The season after that was a horror show. But we had him tied down for like 4 more years.
At the end of the season the board has to look at the results and ask, have we progressed?
Are the players happy?
Can progress even further?
Are there any managers out there that can perform better?
Is Kenny the way forward?
Then make a decision.
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to be fair, if the yanks kept kenny waiting it's not like he's going anywhere.
I get your point, but I still think we have to be rational.
Don't get me wrong I love having Kenny back, but results do matter as well. I don't think we would have felt this way if we lost all the matches with Kenny.
We gave Rafa a 4-5 year contract after we finished 2nd, despite him having like 2 years left. The season after that was a horror show. But we had him tied down for like 4 more years.
At the end of the season the board has to look at the results and ask, have we progressed?
Are the players happy?
Can progress even further?
Are there any managers out there that can perform better?
Is Kenny the way forward?
Then make a decision.
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to be fair, if the yanks kept kenny waiting it's not like he's going anywhere.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=43495.msg1282238#msg1282238 date=1297241757]
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=43495.msg1282230#msg1282230 date=1297240745]
I am amazed.... Truly...
People say "wait until the summer. Evaluate the season with Dalglish. Look at available managers and then make a decision. "
People say "it gives the club time to properly plan their vision of the future, whether that's with the King - which does look increasingly likely - or not."
People say "I don't see why there needs to be any rush to make an announcement or indeed a decision"
People say "Then again if we continue this streak, get a CL spot and win the Euro League the decision to keep Dalglish would be made for them by the fans. "
I will not patonize you guys. But you havent got a clue. You expect miracles when it comes to results, with what is highly regarded as a poor squad. But Kenny right now is not about results. It is about pure presence. he took your beloved club out of the dirt and gave it right back at you. Suddenly you felt proud to be red. Suddenløy you kept your high up in footie discussions. Suddenly you started to read interviews of the Liverpool manager with a lifted mood. And you dare to say, wait and see who is available? There is noone available like King Kenny. he is the last samurai. You should cherish every day he is here as if it was his last, because the only bad thing about him is that one day will be his last. You should pray that he stays for 5 more years, and after that it all starts with an S and have a mustache again.
Who could be available better than Kenny? Who?
Kenny is the last of the line who knows 100% what this club is all about and will deliver by that. What does he have to prove to any of you? he won you the league 3 of the 5 last seasons he was here. What else does he need to prove? Nothing. Zip. He is Liverpool FC, and there is no reason to wait.
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Hang on a sec, aren't you the guy that started the Yanks Out thread a couple months into their tenure?
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Yes I did. And I still had some very valid points there. And were would life be if we werent alowed to put things on the pin. But the yanks are not Liverpool through and through. Kenny Dlaglish is. There will never ever be anyone like him with the ballast of being a winner made in Liverpool heaven. Never. Just as there will not be another Alex Ferguson coming in when he leaves.
[quote author=Insignificance link=topic=43495.msg1282230#msg1282230 date=1297240745]
I am amazed.... Truly...
People say "wait until the summer. Evaluate the season with Dalglish. Look at available managers and then make a decision. "
People say "it gives the club time to properly plan their vision of the future, whether that's with the King - which does look increasingly likely - or not."
People say "I don't see why there needs to be any rush to make an announcement or indeed a decision"
People say "Then again if we continue this streak, get a CL spot and win the Euro League the decision to keep Dalglish would be made for them by the fans. "
I will not patonize you guys. But you havent got a clue. You expect miracles when it comes to results, with what is highly regarded as a poor squad. But Kenny right now is not about results. It is about pure presence. he took your beloved club out of the dirt and gave it right back at you. Suddenly you felt proud to be red. Suddenløy you kept your high up in footie discussions. Suddenly you started to read interviews of the Liverpool manager with a lifted mood. And you dare to say, wait and see who is available? There is noone available like King Kenny. he is the last samurai. You should cherish every day he is here as if it was his last, because the only bad thing about him is that one day will be his last. You should pray that he stays for 5 more years, and after that it all starts with an S and have a mustache again.
Who could be available better than Kenny? Who?
Kenny is the last of the line who knows 100% what this club is all about and will deliver by that. What does he have to prove to any of you? he won you the league 3 of the 5 last seasons he was here. What else does he need to prove? Nothing. Zip. He is Liverpool FC, and there is no reason to wait.
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Hang on a sec, aren't you the guy that started the Yanks Out thread a couple months into their tenure?
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Yes I did. And I still had some very valid points there. And were would life be if we werent alowed to put things on the pin. But the yanks are not Liverpool through and through. Kenny Dlaglish is. There will never ever be anyone like him with the ballast of being a winner made in Liverpool heaven. Never. Just as there will not be another Alex Ferguson coming in when he leaves.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=43495.msg1282253#msg1282253 date=1297242819]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=43495.msg1282249#msg1282249 date=1297242541]
I get your point, but I still think we have to be rational.
Don't get me wrong I love having Kenny back, but results do matter as well. I don't think we would have felt this way if we lost all the matches with Kenny.
We gave Rafa a 4-5 year contract after we finished 2nd, despite him having like 2 years left. The season after that was a horror show. But we had him tied down for like 4 more years.
At the end of the season the board has to look at the results and ask, have we progressed?
Are the players happy?
Can progress even further?
Are there any managers out there that can perform better?
Is Kenny the way forward?
Then make a decision.
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to be fair, if the yanks kept kenny waiting it's not like he's going anywhere.
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Mhm
[quote author=Modo link=topic=43495.msg1282249#msg1282249 date=1297242541]
I get your point, but I still think we have to be rational.
Don't get me wrong I love having Kenny back, but results do matter as well. I don't think we would have felt this way if we lost all the matches with Kenny.
We gave Rafa a 4-5 year contract after we finished 2nd, despite him having like 2 years left. The season after that was a horror show. But we had him tied down for like 4 more years.
At the end of the season the board has to look at the results and ask, have we progressed?
Are the players happy?
Can progress even further?
Are there any managers out there that can perform better?
Is Kenny the way forward?
Then make a decision.
[/quote]
to be fair, if the yanks kept kenny waiting it's not like he's going anywhere.
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Mhm
[quote author=Modo link=topic=43495.msg1282269#msg1282269 date=1297244041]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=43495.msg1282253#msg1282253 date=1297242819]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=43495.msg1282249#msg1282249 date=1297242541]
I get your point, but I still think we have to be rational.
Don't get me wrong I love having Kenny back, but results do matter as well. I don't think we would have felt this way if we lost all the matches with Kenny.
We gave Rafa a 4-5 year contract after we finished 2nd, despite him having like 2 years left. The season after that was a horror show. But we had him tied down for like 4 more years.
At the end of the season the board has to look at the results and ask, have we progressed?
Are the players happy?
Can progress even further?
Are there any managers out there that can perform better?
Is Kenny the way forward?
Then make a decision.
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to be fair, if the yanks kept kenny waiting it's not like he's going anywhere.
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Mhm
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And what about the team he builds around him, Clarke, the new goalkeeping coach when he arrives and so on? Part of me wonders whether Kenny will want the job after this stewardship period, whether he'll guide the club into a position of relative strength and then step back, mentoring someone like Owen Coyle (who by all accounts Kenny rates very highly). Actually, that's prolly nonsense. I'd say he's springing out of bed every day now overjoyed to be our manager again. Hard to see him giving it up.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=43495.msg1282253#msg1282253 date=1297242819]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=43495.msg1282249#msg1282249 date=1297242541]
I get your point, but I still think we have to be rational.
Don't get me wrong I love having Kenny back, but results do matter as well. I don't think we would have felt this way if we lost all the matches with Kenny.
We gave Rafa a 4-5 year contract after we finished 2nd, despite him having like 2 years left. The season after that was a horror show. But we had him tied down for like 4 more years.
At the end of the season the board has to look at the results and ask, have we progressed?
Are the players happy?
Can progress even further?
Are there any managers out there that can perform better?
Is Kenny the way forward?
Then make a decision.
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to be fair, if the yanks kept kenny waiting it's not like he's going anywhere.
[/quote]
Mhm
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And what about the team he builds around him, Clarke, the new goalkeeping coach when he arrives and so on? Part of me wonders whether Kenny will want the job after this stewardship period, whether he'll guide the club into a position of relative strength and then step back, mentoring someone like Owen Coyle (who by all accounts Kenny rates very highly). Actually, that's prolly nonsense. I'd say he's springing out of bed every day now overjoyed to be our manager again. Hard to see him giving it up.
Given Kenny's picked back room staff and new players it seems unlikely that he's viewing the role as temporary. It would be very difficult for the board to replace him if the current progress continues. Only the availability of someone like Mourinho would change things surely?
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=43495.msg1282280#msg1282280 date=1297244772]
Given Kenny's picked back room staff and new players it seems unlikely that he's viewing the role as temporary. It would be very difficult for the board to replace him if the current progress continues. Only the availability of someone like Mourinho would change things surely?
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If Mourinho officially declares that he wants the job, it's gonna be hard for the board to turn him down.
Given Kenny's picked back room staff and new players it seems unlikely that he's viewing the role as temporary. It would be very difficult for the board to replace him if the current progress continues. Only the availability of someone like Mourinho would change things surely?
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If Mourinho officially declares that he wants the job, it's gonna be hard for the board to turn him down.
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