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We just have to buy Gary Cahill

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I'm sorry for littering this forum with new threads but I just finished watching the Fulham - Bolton game (Longer highlights) and I was reminded of how good he really is.

He reads the game well, leads the defensive line, good tackler, excellent marker, good in the air, strong, fairly quick.

He's already proven in the premiership and he is IMO better than Woodgate, Shawcross, Dawson, Smalling and the rest of the England reserves.

It's annoying that such a good defender is playing his trade for a shitty team like Bolton when he can easily play for one of the top teams in England.

Bolton is like an hour's drive from Liverpool, he doesn't even have to move.

I'd give them £15 Million easily. He's 25 and got at least 7 years left in him.

Can we just buy him before 'Arry get's his hands on him(I know that they've got like 10 CB's already).
 
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Bolton is like an hours drive from Liverpool

How is the distance like an hour? Do you mean 60 minutes?
 
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Bolton is like an hours drive from Liverpool

How is the distance like an hour? Do you mean 60 minutes?
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Worth it only if we offloaded Soto, which im not sure Kenny would yet.
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I think he's out of contract in the summer
 
I thought he had an auto extension thing in his contract, dunno if he'll play enough for it though.
 
If we buy Cahill, I think we can sell both Skerts and Soto.

We only need four.

RCB: Carra, Cahill

LCB: Agger, Wilson

In case of emergency: Kelly, Ayala

In case of acute emergency: Coady, Wisdom
 
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Sell the Spartan??!?!!!1!one?!?
Never!
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He's not a Spartan he's Greek. And I blame him and his people for the death of Gerrard Butler.
No wonder Dalglish keeps him on the bench.
 
[quote author=Modo link=topic=44298.msg1288519#msg1288519 date=1298250231]
Can we just buy him before 'Arry get's his hands on him(I know that they've got like 10 CB's already).


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Thats where he'll end up..
 
Even if we were to sell The Greek & Skrtel we're still fairly strong in that department given that it's Kelly's natural position and Wilson will be a first team regular within 18 months. Carra, Agger, Wilson & Kelly (with Wilson & Kelly being the long term option) means we do not need another CB.

If we were to add to our CB's, Ashley Williams of Swansea is as good as Cahill, only one year older and would cost about half of what Cahill would cost.
 
Cahill is an excellent defender but he's more in the mould of Agger. If we're fed up with Agger's injuries then he'd be an excellent replacement, but it doesn't solve the problem we've had since Sami left. We still need an aerially dominant defender, which I don't think Cahill is.
 
How's this Mamadou Sakho fellow from PSG? Anyone seen him play? Seems to be thought of as the future of the French defence.
 
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Sell the Spartan??!?!!!1!one?!?
Never!
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He's not a Spartan he's Greek. And I blame him and his people for the death of Gerrard Butler.
No wonder Dalglish keeps him on the bench.
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That's the same as saying "He's not from Stockholm, he's Swedish".
 
I like Cahill and wish we had him in our squad ahead of Skrtel, but as others have said, we need to see how Kelly/Wilson develop.. I'd rather we brought proper replacements for Lucas/Maxi..
 
I wouldn't mind Cahill at all but as Del said he's perhaps more an Agger-type of defender rather than a Sami, Hangeland, Hummels, Subotic, Kjær-type who'll be a more dominant figure in the air as well.

That's the type of defender we need the most.
 
Indeed. I would cross Kjaer off that list though. He certainly isn't dominant aerially the way that Sami was. And hasn't looked great when I've seen him anyway.
 
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[quote author=Modo link=topic=44298.msg1288548#msg1288548 date=1298258853]
[quote author=iseered link=topic=44298.msg1288544#msg1288544 date=1298256082]
Sell the Spartan??!?!!!1!one?!?
Never!
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He's not a Spartan he's Greek. And I blame him and his people for the death of Gerrard Butler.
No wonder Dalglish keeps him on the bench.
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That's the same as saying "He's not from Stockholm, he's Swedish".
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Really, I thought Spartans and Greeks were two different people, I mean in ancient times.
I know that the old city of Sparta is now within modern Greece's borders.
Just realised that it was Athenians.
 
They were all Greeks. They lived in separate city-states and sometimes fought each other, but they united against the Persian threat.
 
It's like when we join up with Everton if Mancs descend on the city.

Anyways, if we're buying anyone from Bolton, let it be Holden.
 
[quote author=KHL link=topic=44298.msg1288700#msg1288700 date=1298287739]
I wouldn't mind Cahill at all but as Del said he's perhaps more an Agger-type of defender rather than a Sami, Hangeland, Hummels, Subotic, Kjær-type who'll be a more dominant figure in the air as well.

That's the type of defender we need the most.
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hahaha....you cheeky fucker.

there is no way you are getting away with that...
 
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Indeed. I would cross Kjaer off that list though. He certainly isn't dominant aerially the way that Sami was. And hasn't looked great when I've seen him anyway.
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He's had a recent slump in form but he's got the potential to be one of the most aerially dominant defenders in the game. And he's not a bad footballer either.

Less than a year back he was voted the best U21 defender in Serie A and was only pipped as the best U21-player in Italy at the time by Pato at one time too. Made it to Goal.com's team of the year one Season as well.

Don't write him off just yet.
 
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[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=44298.msg1288705#msg1288705 date=1298288221]
Indeed. I would cross Kjaer off that list though. He certainly isn't dominant aerially the way that Sami was. And hasn't looked great when I've seen him anyway.
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He's had a recent slump in form but he's got the potential to be one of the most aerially dominant defenders in the game. And he's not a bad footballer either.

Less than a year back he was voted the best U21 defender in Serie A and was only pipped as the best U21-player in Italy at the time by Pato at one time too. Made it to Goal.com's team of the year one Season as well.

Don't write him off just yet.
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Really? Is he that good in the air? I've seen very little of him (at the world cup basically) and I thought he really wasn't big or powerful enough to be an aerially dominant defender.
 
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[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=44298.msg1288705#msg1288705 date=1298288221]
Indeed. I would cross Kjaer off that list though. He certainly isn't dominant aerially the way that Sami was. And hasn't looked great when I've seen him anyway.
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He's had a recent slump in form but he's got the potential to be one of the most aerially dominant defenders in the game. And he's not a bad footballer either.

Less than a year back he was voted the best U21 defender in Serie A and was only pipped as the best U21-player in Italy at the time by Pato at one time too. Made it to Goal.com's team of the year one Season as well.

Don't write him off just yet.
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I'm not saying he doesn't have what it takes to be a great defender, but I certainly don't agree with your assertion that he can be "one of the most aerially dominant defenders in the game". You don't suddenly become great in the air. Sure, he can improve, hone, refine, whatever, but his starting point in that respect is not great. According to Wiki he's shorter than Agger, so I don't think he'll ever dominate in the way that you seem to think he can. Besides, relying on a good leap to compensate for a lack in height only lasts for so long, anyway.

Not what we need, IMO.
 
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[quote author=KHL link=topic=44298.msg1288700#msg1288700 date=1298287739]
I wouldn't mind Cahill at all but as Del said he's perhaps more an Agger-type of defender rather than a Sami, Hangeland, Hummels, Subotic, Kjær-type who'll be a more dominant figure in the air as well.

That's the type of defender we need the most.
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hahaha....you cheeky fucker.

there is no way you are getting away with that...
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He IS exactly the type of defender we need indeed. I know he's not in his best form right now but that's only temporary mate. If he can learn from this slump there's every chance he can go on to be a top, top defender in the game. And his strengths are mainly his physique and his dominance in the air.

When you're moving a 20-year-old defender from one league to another for a fee in the region of £10M, you'd almost expect that he'd need some time to adapt. When Wolfsburg in the meantime has struggled as they've done it's not been any easier for their new players to get familiar with their new surroundings either.

I know Subotic and Hummels to mention a few are the flavour of the month on here but Kjær is still very mcuh the type of defender we need.
 
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[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=44298.msg1288705#msg1288705 date=1298288221]
Indeed. I would cross Kjaer off that list though. He certainly isn't dominant aerially the way that Sami was. And hasn't looked great when I've seen him anyway.
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He's had a recent slump in form but he's got the potential to be one of the most aerially dominant defenders in the game. And he's not a bad footballer either.

Less than a year back he was voted the best U21 defender in Serie A and was only pipped as the best U21-player in Italy at the time by Pato at one time too. Made it to Goal.com's team of the year one Season as well.

Don't write him off just yet.
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I'm not saying he doesn't have what it takes to be a great defender, but I certainly don't agree with your assertion that he can be "one of the most aerially dominant defenders in the game". You don't suddenly become great in the air. Sure, he can improve, hone, refine, whatever, but his starting point in that respect is not great. According to Wiki he's shorter than Agger, so I don't think he'll ever dominate in the way that you seem to think he can. Besides, relying on a good leap to compensate for a lack in height only lasts for so long, anyway.

Not what we need, IMO.
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Fair enough mate.

He's not Sami tall but he's no dwarf either and he's far more atheltic build than the former was. He was extremely dominant in the air in Italy and scored even quite a few goals downthere as teenager. Has scored two powerful headers in the Bundesliga already (can only find the one he wasn't credited for: http://www.footytube.com/video/vfl-wolfsburg-v-vfb-stuttgart-62005) and will probably go on and score loads more.

His timing, his strength and his bravery will win him many headers in any league. At this stage however he's struggled to find his best form in the Bundesliga.
 
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[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=44298.msg1288705#msg1288705 date=1298288221]
Indeed. I would cross Kjaer off that list though. He certainly isn't dominant aerially the way that Sami was. And hasn't looked great when I've seen him anyway.
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He's had a recent slump in form but he's got the potential to be one of the most aerially dominant defenders in the game. And he's not a bad footballer either.

Less than a year back he was voted the best U21 defender in Serie A and was only pipped as the best U21-player in Italy at the time by Pato at one time too. Made it to Goal.com's team of the year one Season as well.

Don't write him off just yet.
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Really? Is he that good in the air? I've seen very little of him (at the world cup basically) and I thought he really wasn't big or powerful enough to be an aerially dominant defender.
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He's by no means the finished article but he's got the potential to be extremely dominant in the air. Calm, strong, intelligent, atheltic, powerful.

Time will tell whether I'll be proved wrong of course, but his aerial presence is certainly one of his main attributes and I wouldn't mind him at Liverpool one bit, despite his shaky start in the Bundesliga.

21-years of age is still young for a defender, when Sami was his age he was still playing for Mypa back home for one. (Obviously not saying Kjær will become as great a defender as legendary Sami, just saying he's got all the right tools).
 
Apperantly Hummels has a release clause in his contract that can be activated if anyone bids 8 mill euros.
If thats true, it's a no brainer.
 
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