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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41041.msg1138646#msg1138646 date=1279564671]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=41041.msg1138634#msg1138634 date=1279564291]
Is is another Benitez signing moved on at a profit?
[/quote]Looks that way. Shame non of them moved on as winners eh?
Benayoun fuck all, Insua fuck all, Ngog fuck all. Losers one and all.
Benitez, boss at signing profit making losers, shit at winning premier leagues.
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I would hope that Torres and Kuyt don't end their Liverpool careers with as many trophies as the aforementioned 3 ... Currently, it's a tie.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41041.msg1138618#msg1138618 date=1279563928]
He's shit
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Hurrah, it's just like the old days, I have agreed with Bren for the first time in weeks !!

regards
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=41041.msg1138662#msg1138662 date=1279565050]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41041.msg1138618#msg1138618 date=1279563928]
He's shit
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Hurrah, it's just like the old days, I have agreed with Bren for the first time in weeks !!

regards
[/quote]and me Vlad.
 
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=41041.msg1138568#msg1138568 date=1279562062]
I've never been impressed. He's a panicker - he goes headless whenever he's in a dangerous position and an opportunity presents itself. The goals he's scored all seem to be scuffed, off his arse or a header where he had no idea where it was going - one or two aside.

We need better to support Torres and if we're in for Remy (and if not then it WILL be someone else) then we don't need Wash. 3M is the minimum though - but only with a nice % of any sell-on as someone mentioned already.
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I tend to agree with this. Although I would say in his defence that when he had to rely on instinct - that is, when the ball came at him quickly in the box and there wasn't much time to think about it - he was ok. Whenever he had time on the ball he nearly always took the wrong option or simply didn't execute. Ultimately, he's not good enough and if anything like a half decent offer comes in we should look to cash in.
 
He tore England under 21's defence to bits.
And our problem last year was that we didn't have strength in depth is selling another player a good idea when we haven't brought in a replacement? We only have 1 striker with experience in the EPL and he might be sold too.
I'm clinging on to the hope that Joe Cole knows more than we do about our transfer plans both in and out.
 
deserves another year (assuming he will get games) especially for the price quoted, if he is not going to get many games at his stage of deveopment best to cash in with a nice sell on clause.
 
I don't think he's quite as bad as some people are making out.

He's young and inexperienced, and for the money we paid for him he's about what you'd expect. Personally I think he's shown a little bit of promise, under fairly difficult circumstances, and unless an offer that was too good to be true comes in (which £3M does not fit the bill, btw) then I don't see a problem with keeping him as back-back-back-up.

As long as he's not 2nd choice, I don't see it as a major issue - presumably we'd only have replace him anyways, so in the long run is it worth flogging him?
 
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=41041.msg1138735#msg1138735 date=1279569272]
I don't think he's quite as bad as some people are making out.

He's young and inexperienced, and for the money we paid for him he's about what you'd expect. Personally I think he's shown a little bit of promise, under fairly difficult circumstances, and unless an offer that was too good to be true comes in (which £3M does not fit the bill, btw) then I don't see a problem with keeping him as back-back-back-up.

As long as he's not 2nd choice, I don't see it as a major issue - presumably we'd only have replace him anyways, so in the long run is it worth flogging him?
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*nods in agreement*

Theres no harm in keeping a player with the experience rather than relying on some of the kids throughout the season just in case injuries get on top of us. Hes not the answer, but £3mil is paltry ad we won't get another striker that cheap.....unless we know more freebies
 
Agree with you both. The debacle of not signing back-up for Torres meant N'Gog had to go out there and do a job for which he wasn't yet ready, but he does know the way to goal and he'll make someone a good player one day. If we're only being offered £3 mill.for him I'd sooner keep him here, especially now that we have Jovanovic to play up front if needed.
 
Well, you're the house expert on "insane", so who knows, maybe I am at that.

Even so, I take your point, but we don't (yet) have that much back-up at striker and, as others have pointed out, £3 mill.is peanuts really.
 
I'd like to think that with him being shown the door something like the Yossi / Cole thing will happen. I mean the bookies had Cole at odds against for a week, so someone knew something and put some money on it... Our board had clearly got it wrapped up a while back and that's why they're doing deals to move Riera on and already let Yossi leave. With our only backup striker being shown the door we must already have a better alternative sorted.

Or am I being a dickhead...?
 
what is the point in having a backup that isn't ready to play in the team? he led a charmed life under benitez. no other manager on earth will put him in the team ahead of torres, kuyt or jovanovic. so we should take any money we can get for him and move on
 
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=41041.msg1138789#msg1138789 date=1279572581]
what is the point in having a backup that isn't ready to play in the team? he led a charmed life under benitez. no other manager on earth will put him in the team ahead of torres, kuyt or jovanovic. so we should take any money we can get for him and move on
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Whoever is 4th choice will be that for a reason, either lack of quality, too young or whatever. The only way they'd be ready to walk into the first team ahead of anyone is if we spend big money on them, which isn't going to happen. The fee is £3m, so we're not going to get much in the way of quality for that, so I don't really get your point. Not everyone at the club can be of equal quality. The only thing that's gone against him is the fact that Rafa got his priorities wrong and didn't buy a striker when he had the opportunity to last Summer. If he had, N'Gog would have got less games, a few goals and people would still be saying he's a half decent youngster.

Saying he's not good enough because he can't get in the squad ahead of three experienced internationals (who's combined market price is probably in the region of £90m) is just fucking mental.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41041.msg1138795#msg1138795 date=1279572848]
[quote author=monsieurdantes link=topic=41041.msg1138789#msg1138789 date=1279572581]
what is the point in having a backup that isn't ready to play in the team? he led a charmed life under benitez. no other manager on earth will put him in the team ahead of torres, kuyt or jovanovic. so we should take any money we can get for him and move on
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Whoever is 4th choice will be that for a reason, either lack of quality, too young or whatever. The only way they'd be ready to walk into the first team ahead of anyone is if we spend big money on them, which isn't going to happen. The fee is £3m, so we're not going to get much in the way of quality for that, so I don't really get your point. Not everyone at the club can be of equal quality. The only thing that's gone against him is the fact that Rafa got his priorities wrong and didn't buy a striker when he had the opportunity to last Summer. If he had, N'Gog would have got less games, a few goals and people would still be saying he's a half decent youngster.

Saying he's not good enough because he can't get in the squad ahead of three experienced internationals (who's combined market price is probably in the region of £90m) is just fucking mental.
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Bang on.
 
im looking at this transfer window as if it was a car boot sale. 4th choice can be dalla valle or even some punk like sterling. it really doesn't matter because are three people really going to be unavailable at the same time? you can't think that way its crazy.

or you may as well bring in the 5th, 6th and 7th choice. where does it end.
 
Would you, in our current financial circumstances, want us to spend £3m on signing N'gog if he played for another club? I seriously doubt it. I don't mind him, and he may well turn out a decent striker, but right now that £3m would be better spent on a reserve LB or something. I'm assuming we're signing a decent back-up striker btw. But if we are, and if we're planning on sticking with 4231, chances are that Wash would play very few games this season anyway. He'll be better off in Holland, where goals come easy, and we'll be better off with the money. I agree about the sell-on fee, but otherwise would have no problem with him being sold.
 
and so what if its too bad for ngog. he got picked last year and now he has a decent transfer fee. so he goes. £3m is more than weclome in our financial state. it all adds up.

i don't know what you're arguing about. ngog is 4th choice. we should sell him and invest that money into a 2nd choice left back or something. surely you can see its better to have 2nd choice options than to hang on to a 4th choice one
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=41041.msg1138807#msg1138807 date=1279574297]
Would you, in our current financial circumstances, want us to spend £3m on signing N'gog if he played for another club? I seriously doubt it. I don't mind him, and he may well turn out a decent striker, but right now that £3m would be better spent on a reserve LB or something. I'm assuming we're signing a decent back-up striker btw. But if we are, and if we're planning on sticking with 4231, chances are that Wash would play very few games this season anyway. He'll be better off in Holland, where goals come easy, and we'll be better off with the money. I agree about the sell-on fee, but otherwise would have no problem with him being sold.

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Personally i'd like to see him loaned out, so at least his wages are taken care of in part by someone else. he has the chance to develop and we can see how he progressed. If he's still poor we prob would still get 3mil, if he was good we can keep him or sell him for more
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=41041.msg1138816#msg1138816 date=1279575054]
I think the point is we need the money now.
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oh i understand that, i'm just of the ilk there's more players i'd rather sell before n'gog. If we wanted 3mil that desperately sell spearing, plessis, brouwer, el zhar and one of the other starlets who are 22 and not seeing the first team *ever*. At least in n'gog we've got a striker who can potentially improve. I don't see the harm in 1 more season, whether ti be with us or out on loan
 
I have worried for a long time that the depth of the squad has been too thin, that being the case we must be a bit careful about clearing out some deadwood without replacing it. We must , like good ecological companies replace the deadwood with at least one other better piece of wood when we get rid of one.
In the case of N'gog, I am not worried as I have never seen any redeeming features , apart from one goal last year when he seemed to do a clever bit of footwork, but he could well have stumbled,
Kerchiiiiiiiing £3m , thank you that will go into the pot, that is building up quite nicely, and another couple of decent frees to build the squad up.....I like this


regards
 
bbc said:
Liverpool striker David Ngog says he is determined to stay at Anfield and improve as a player. Ngog scored eight goals last season, but his future is uncertain after Roy Hodgson's arrival as manager and he has been linked with a move to West Brom.

"I know speculation is part of football and we have to deal with it. But I am a Liverpool player. I am more experienced now. I want to play as many games as I can and score goals to help the team win," the 21-year-old said.

The Frenchman has shown glimpses of the ability that convinced Hodgson's Anfield predecessor Rafa Benitez to spend £1m to sign him from Paris St Germain in 2008. He spent much of last season deputising for first-choice striker Fernando Torres, who was sidelined for long periods through injury, as Liverpool struggled to a disappointing seventh-place finish in the Premier League.

"The club had a difficult season last year but I want to prove we can get back into the top four. I am confident about this," added Ngog. "My confidence is good. Now I have to do my job and give my best for the team."

Former Liverpool youth team captain Jay Spearing feels this could be a pivotal season for him at Anfield as well, after spending the latter part of last season on loan at Leicester.

"With a new manager coming in I have thought this could be my chance to break in and become a solid part of the first-team squad and be regularly involved," said Spearing, also 21. "Obviously, at the end of the day it's down to me whether that happens. If that comes, then it comes. But if not, then we'll look at my options. But I want to break into Uncle Roy's plans; I want to be involved and playing more games this season."
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What Bunny said.

Fuck the long-term, we need cheap, experienced players to get us through this period, and N'gog just hasn't shown enough during his time here.

Sell
 
our squad is so thin now that anyone in the first team sqaud that is sold needs replacing, if they aren't going to be replaced I sooner they were kept on, including ngog.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41041.msg1141523#msg1141523 date=1279969135]
our squad is so thin now that anyone in the first team sqaud that is sold needs replacing, if they aren't going to be replaced I sooner they were kept on, including ngog.
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I am certain that there will be another striker on our roster before long, hence the interest in Remy. That drops N'Gog down to #3 and if both Torres and the new striker were injured / unavailable at the same time, I'd even prefer Kuyt up front with Maxi on the right - or even Pacheco - to retaining N'Gog. Sell ASAP.
 
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