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Judge Jules said:
Child abuse is a foul evil. I spent part of my career working with various statutory agencies to try and help kids who went through it, and I'm still doing so in retirement as vice-chair of governors of a school for kids with severe emotional and behavioural difficulties, the overwhelming majority of which difficulties have their roots in inadequate home backgrounds which all too often feature abuse of one kind or another. RedNinja's courageous sharing is one of the bravest things I've ever seen on here and there won't be a single one of us who doesn't admire it or the way he's come through what he described in it.

However, I'm not offering any apologies for supporting macca's disagreement with the holier-than-thou tone of the posts complaining about some other posts in the thread. I as it happens wouldn't choose to make humorous remarks about this subject, not least because I know what the detail of it can be like, but if we're going to get sniffy about such things every sensitive subject should also be treated with kid gloves. I'm afraid I don't see the justification for taking this one admittedly horrifying aspect of life and making it a special case all on its own.
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Yes yes, but is it an analogy? The rape bit?
 
manwithnoname said:
Yes yes, but is it an analogy? The rape bit?
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As in "Yes yes, Mrs.Lincoln, but what did you think of the play?". 🙂

IMO you were right the first time. Saying something's "like" a rape would be drawing an analogy. Just referring to it as a rape is using "rape" as a metaphor.
 
Danny Murphy was talking about these issues on talksport earlier today.

He said there's a lot more to come.

I don't know if he meant stories or sexual abuse.
 
Judge Jules said:
Child abuse is a foul evil. I spent part of my career working with various statutory agencies to try and help kids who went through it, and I'm still doing so in retirement as vice-chair of governors of a school for kids with severe emotional and behavioural difficulties, the overwhelming majority of which difficulties have their roots in inadequate home backgrounds which all too often feature abuse of one kind or another. RedNinja's courageous sharing is one of the bravest things I've ever seen on here and there won't be a single one of us who doesn't admire it or the way he's come through what he described in it.

However, I'm not offering any apologies for supporting macca's disagreement with the holier-than-thou tone of the posts complaining about some other posts in the thread. I as it happens wouldn't choose to make humorous remarks about this subject, not least because I know what the detail of it can be like, but if we're going to get sniffy about such things every sensitive subject should also be treated with kid gloves. I'm afraid I don't see the justification for taking this one admittedly horrifying aspect of life and making it a special case all on its own.
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Somethings shouldn't be turned into jokes, or used to make smart remarks. Oncey was way offside. No hollier than thou attitude needed.
 
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localny said:
Somethings should't be turned into jokes, or used to make smart remarks. Oncey was way offside. No hollier than thou attitude needed.
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I disagree, I think nothing is off limits. However, it goes without saying that there's a time and a place for jokes. If someone's granny died because her mains operated vibrator shorted out on her during a particularly intense orgasm, there's jokes to be made. Not at the funeral though. Perhaps you can keep it for another time.
 
localny said:
Somethings should't be turned into jokes, or used to make smart remarks. Oncey was way offside. No hollier than thou attitude needed.
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I want to agree with you but I can't.

We all have to have our own off switch. If we don't like what we read , we can choose to ignore. I know it's hard and I felt uncomfortable reading some of the off the cuff stuff but we are not all the same and it would be boring if we were.

The thing I'm uncomfortable about in life in general now, is that the art of debate is clouded by people taking stances. Opinion is just that, opinion. You're not wrong and neither are the people who we perceive made light of the subject. People just react in different ways. If we accept that not everyone thinks the same way, we would have less silos, less pigeon holing and potentially far improved debating.

It's only my opinion of course.

Ps I used to get offended all the time on here and other social media. Now that I do that far, far less, I'm finding life far more relaxing. I can't and don't to make everyone agree with or feel the same way, it's not a realistic goal.
 
Spionkop69 said:
I want to agree with you but I can't.

We all have to have our own off switch. If we don't like what we read , we can choose to ignore. I know it's hard and I felt uncomfortable reading some of the off the cuff stuff but we are not all the same and it would be boring if we were.

The thing I'm uncomfortable about in life in general now, is that the art of debate is clouded by people taking stances. Opinion is just that, opinion. You're not wrong and neither are the people who we perceive made light of the subject. People just react in different ways. If we accept that not everyone thinks the same way, we would have less silos, less pigeon holing and potentially far improved debating.

It's only my opinion of course.

Ps I used to get offended all the time on here and other social media. Now that I do that far, far less, I'm finding life far more relaxing. I can't and don't to make everyone agree with or feel the same way, it's not a realistic goal.
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I'm not offended, I just think it's poor taste. Says more about the Nob behind the comments. Nothing wrong with encouraging a little sensitivity.
 
localny said:
I'm not offended, I just think it's poor taste. Says more about the Nob behind the comments. Nothing wrong with encouraging a little sensitivity.
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You're entitled to think that mate and I wouldn't want you thinking I'm saying you can't.
 
Spionkop69 said:
You're entitled to think that mate and I wouldn't want you thinking I'm saying you can't.
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All good mate. You think nothing's off limits, I think some things should be out of respect in a way. But if all agreed, it would be a boring world.
 
localny said:
All good mate. You think nothing's off limits, I think some things should be out of respect in a way. But if all agreed, it would be a boring world.
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Oh I do think there's some stuff off limits which are personal to me. I was a sucker for the "your mums a cunt" comments on the football pitch. Never failed to wind me up even though I know she's not and it was only being said to wind me up. I lived and learned.

There's plenty that winds me up on here, and other places. But then I take a breath and decide whether it's worth my input. Nowadays the answer is usually no. Relaxed Spion is boring but he is relaxed
 
localny said:
I'm not offended, I just think it's poor taste. Says more about the Nob behind the comments. Nothing wrong with encouraging a little sensitivity.
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You know whats ironic.
I really used to think you were the biggest whiney, moany, holier than though, dull, moralistic pussyole on this whole site. With a brutal lack of any sense of humour or for that matter personality.
Like I thought you could bore for your country. That if I met you, you would be either the colour beige or the colour grey.
Like I felt that if we talked your voice would sound like it was a 7" played at 33.

But then over the years Ive thought maybe I was massively wrong and your alright. We havnt had any fallings out, ive been nice to you, youve been nice to me etc and I figure fuck it maybe hes not as interesting as bowel cancer and actually has a bit about him.

Maybe even I can share a gag and a bit of teasing japery with him nowadays.

Turns out I should have trusted my instincts.
 
Let the record show that this is the first time I've used the word crikey.
 
Herr Onceared said:
You know whats ironic.
I really used to think you were the biggest whiney, moany, holier than though, dull, moralistic pussyole on this whole site. With a brutal lack of any sense of humour or for that matter personality.
Like I thought you could bore for your country. That if I met you, you would be either the colour beige or the colour grey.
Like I felt that if we talked your voice would sound like it was a 7" played at 33.

But then over the years Ive thought maybe I was massively wrong and your alright. We havnt had any fallings out, ive been nice to you, youve been nice to me etc and I figure fuck it maybe hes not as interesting as bowel cancer and actually has a bit about him.

Maybe even I can share a gag and a bit of teasing japery with him nowadays.

Turns out I should have trusted my instincts.
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Brilliant post Oncey. Very good. I actually like this one, I laughed a bit at this critique of me.

Let me give some background - I just cringe around the subject of Pedophilia. Breaks me heart, and at the same time wants me to vomit for the poor kids involved. I had family members who it happened to by neighbours over the years, and they've never said a word to the fam. They ate it up. It impacted all their future relations, and impacted so many life choices, marriage choices, parenting, and career paths.

I consider it a tragedy of epic proportions and just can't laugh about it. And hence it rubs me up the wrong way when I see jokes about it. It just feels like poor form

I'm not mad about you either. Sometimes you're spot on and decent, and I like you, sometimes you're more offside than Djbril Cisse in a game of 5 a side and - with a meanness to boot. But not always. Sometimes you're sound.,

That's the way life goes. We can't all like each other.

I would also like to apologize for the word Nob, it was uncalled for, and not aimed at you especially.


Cheerio
 
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localny said:
Brilliant post Oncey. Very good. I actually like this one, I laughed a bit at this critique of me.

Let me give some background - I just cringe around the subject of Pedophilia. Breaks me heart, and at the same time wants me to vomit for the poor kids involved. I had family members who it happened to by neighbours over the years, and they've never said a word to the fam. They ate it up. It impacted all their future relations, including with me, and impacted so many life choices, marriage choices, parenting, and career paths.

I consider it a tragedy of epic proportions and just can't laugh about it. And hence it rubs me up the wrong way when I see jokes about it. It just feels like poor form

I'm not mad about you either. Sometimes you're spot on and decent, and I like you, sometimes you're more offside than Djbril Cisse in a game of 5 a side and - with a meanness to boot. But not always. Sometimes you're sound.,

That's the way life goes. We can't all like each other.

I would also like to apologize for the word Nob, it was uncalled for, and not aimed at you especially.


Cheerio
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I am very much against Peado's
Ok?
 
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