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Fabio said:
Yeah but he's a left back, not a right back
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Currently we have Enrique and Flanno at LB. Johnson, Flanno and Kelly at RB. With Cisshoko a weak loan soon to be released we need a stronger options on BOTH sides. If Cole was at LB that then means we have Flanno & Johnson competing for RB (barring any inbounds).
 
Frogfish said:
Currently we have Enrique and Flanno at LB. Johnson, Flanno and Kelly at RB. With Cisshoko a weak loan soon to be released we need a stronger options on BOTH sides. If Cole was at LB that then means we have Flanno & Johnson competing for RB (barring any inbounds).
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I'd still rather make 100% sure Johnson doesn't start for us next season, before we oust flanno or Enrique.
 
Fabio said:
I'd still rather make 100% sure Johnson doesn't start for us next season, before we oust flanno or Enrique.
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I wouldn't oust either of them !

Cole, Flanno, Enrique = LB

Flanno, Johnson + New Player = RB

We need options for the CL.FAC & LC next season, to say nothing of the PL. Injuries may also be more frequent with more games. Interestingly City, Chelsea and United all had between 23 & 26 players playing over 5 games this season. We have surprisingly had 21. Losing our loanees means 19 so we need to bring in 5-6 high quality players.
 
Again, I'd still rather make sure that Glen Johnson does not play for us again, rather than sort a left back first and make flanno back up.

Unless the plan is to get Cole and make flanno first choice for the right . Then I'm totally on board with that .
 
Frogfish said:
I wouldn't oust either of them !

Cole, Flanno, Enrique = LB

Flanno, Johnson + New Player = RB

We need options for the CL.FAC & LC next season, to say nothing of the PL. Injuries may also be more frequent with more games. Interestingly City, Chelsea and United all had between 23 & 26 players playing over 5 games this season. We have surprisingly had 21. Losing our loanees means 19 so we need to bring in 5-6 high quality players.
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Johnson being sold should be our no.1 priority. He's a liability. I swear I read that city only used 21 players but I could be wrong.
 
Those who want Magic gone, be VERY careful what you wish for. In addition to their defensive responsibilities our fullbacks have been a vital part of our attacking play, and there aren't any out there better at that than Magic. Despite the stick he gets for his defending on here - some of it justified but some of it exaggerated - my bet is there aren't many who are vastly better at the defensive side of things either, and I very much doubt that even those few are as good as Magic when they go forward. Improving the side by replacing him will be a sod of a lot harder than some of you imagine.
 
Glen C said:
Johnson being sold should be our no.1 priority. He's a liability. I swear I read that city only used 21 players but I could be wrong.
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You didn't remember wrong; I posted that a few days ago. To be specific, they did have 24 players altogether, although Jovetic, Boyata and Huws never made the matchday squad:

NAME GS SB
Joe Hart 7 0
Costel Pantilimon 1 0
Fernandinho 8 0
Aleksandar Kolarov 6 1
Sergio Agüero 6 0
Yaya Touré 6 1
David Silva 5 1
Jesús Navas 5 3
Pablo Zabaleta 5 1
Samir Nasri 5 2
Edin Dzeko 4 3
Martín Demichelis 4 0
Matija Nastasic 4 0
Vincent Kompany 4 0
Gaël Clichy 3 1
James Milner 3 3
Javi Garcia 3 1
Joleon Lescott 3 1
Micah Richards 3 0
Álvaro Negredo 3 5
Jack Rodwell 0 1
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Stevan Jovetic 0 0
Emyr Huws 0 0
Dedryck Boyata 0 0
 
Judge Jules said:
Those who want Magic gone, be VERY careful what you wish for. In addition to their defensive responsibilities our fullbacks have been a vital part of our attacking play, and there aren't any out there better at that than Magic. Despite the stick he gets for his defending on here - some of it justified but some of it exaggerated - my bet is there aren't many who are vastly better at the defensive side of things either, and I very much doubt that even those few are as good as Magic when they go forward. Improving the side by replacing him will be a sod of a lot harder than some of you imagine.
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Call me old skool, but i like a fullback that primarily can defend first and foremost and keep their concentration for 90 mins on a consistent basis. That's not Johnson. Give me a finnan, arbeloa or better still a Markus Babbel anyday over Johnson.
 
Judge Jules said:
Those who want Magic gone, be VERY careful what you wish for. In addition to their defensive responsibilities our fullbacks have been a vital part of our attacking play, and there aren't any out there better at that than Magic. Despite the stick he gets for his defending on here - some of it justified but some of it exaggerated - my bet is there aren't many who are vastly better at the defensive side of things either, and I very much doubt that even those few are as good as Magic when they go forward. Improving the side by replacing him will be a sod of a lot harder than some of you imagine.
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If we get (which we won't) a Fullback in who defends first & foremost & doesn't attack we'll look a massively different side.

Also, Johnson will be extremely difficult to replace, his reputation on here is fucking ridiculous.
 
Glen: oddly enough I don't disagree with much of your summary in principle. Where I disagree with you in practice is in saying that getting shot of Magic should be our no.1 priority. Looking at where we stand today, with our predominantly attacking style AND a lack of quality alternative fullbacks out there (especially fullbacks of the kind you describe), I don't believe we'd be helping ourselves by junking Magic at all, let alone as a matter of urgency.
 
Judge Jules said:
Those who want Magic gone, be VERY careful what you wish for. In addition to their defensive responsibilities our fullbacks have been a vital part of our attacking play, and there aren't any out there better at that than Magic. Despite the stick he gets for his defending on here - some of it justified but some of it exaggerated - my bet is there aren't many who are vastly better at the defensive side of things either, and I very much doubt that even those few are as good as Magic when they go forward. Improving the side by replacing him will be a sod of a lot harder than some of you imagine.
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To be honest, I haven't seen that for almost the whole season.

Last season, we had Enrique linking up with Suarez well on the left, but Johnson bombed out after a good half season and was piss-poor starting in early 2013. This season, we've had nothing from the left as Enrique's been injured, Cissokho's been a flop and Flanagan isn't really an attacking fullback, though he's slowly developing in that area and getting more involved. On the right, Johnson continued his poor form from 2013 and well into this year. He improved for a few games after returning from injury, but was still far from what he could do, and had shown in the season under Kenny and the first half season under Rodgers.

I feel Johnson has gone so much backwards in 2013 and 2014, that he's actually now a hindrance to our attacks more than an asset. He used to be excellent, but now he dithers on the ball too much too often, or loses the ball by dribbling into opponents so frequently. His pace looks to have deserted him, he doesn't feel confident to take on his man, and while he can shoot from distance, he hardly does it anymore. He's always had his strong attack to counterbalance his weaker defence, but right now, his strength is diminished and he's become a liability on both ends.

I think this will be again another of those Lucas / Agger polarizing topics.
 
FoxForceFive said:
If we get (which we won't) a Fullback in who defends first & foremost & doesn't attack we'll look a massively different side.

Also, Johnson will be extremely difficult to replace, his reputation on here is fucking ridiculous.
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Being able to defend first and foremost doesn't mean they don't attack, hence why i gave you example of past players that could do it. I'm sure there are many fullbacks out there that don't have that problem.

His reputation is deserved because he DOES have concentration issues and always has. For the money he's on he's not worth it.
 
Judge Jules said:
Glen: oddly enough I don't disagree with much of your summary in principle. Where I disagree with you in practice is in saying that getting shot of Magic should be our no.1 priority. Looking at where we stand today, with our predominantly attacking style AND a lack of quality alternative fullbacks out there (especially fullbacks of the kind you describe), I don't believe we'd be helping ourselves by junking Magic at all, let alone as a matter of urgency.
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If we don't sell him now he'll be gone on a free next year. I can't see liverpool extending his contract with the wages he's on.

Plus i don't think we have the balance right between attack and defense. I do think at times we are TOO attacking and need to learn to keep possession more to kill off games...but that's another issue entirely.
 
studsup said:
You didn't remember wrong; I posted that a few days ago. To be specific, they did have 24 players altogether, although Jovetic, Boyata and Huws never made the matchday squad:
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I guess you are referring to PL appearances ? They have had 23 players make 5 or more appearances plus Marcos Lopes (4) and Emyr Huws (1 - the FAC).
 
I agree with Glen, Johnson has been piss poor this season, he won't be here next , not least of all that £150k a week won't help.
Cole, on the other hand has not been playing for much of the season, but when he came back the last couple of games hardly looked like he had been missing and was straight back in.
It would save us a big wedge up-front for other targets, although he would expect decent wages on a 2 year deal.

Regards
 
I don't really see anyone coming in to buy Johnson - so I'd rather we keep him and release him at the end of the season rather than pay someone else to take him.

I agree his days are numbered as first choice - ironically we should be treating him exactly the same way as Cole is being treated by Chelsea - he stays & plays as required while we bed in someone younger.
 
StevieM said:
I don't really see anyone coming in to buy Johnson - so I'd rather we keep him and release him at the end of the season rather than pay someone else to take him.

I agree his days are numbered as first choice - ironically we should be treating him exactly the same way as Cole is being treated by Chelsea - he stays & plays as required while we bed in someone younger.
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Yes I would go with that
 
Frogfish said:
I guess you are referring to PL appearances ? They have had 23 players make 5 or more appearances plus Marcos Lopes (4) and Emyr Huws (1 - the FAC).
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Eh, no I'm referring to the list of players who played for them in the CL (see the list above). Assuming Soccernet's info is correct. 😉
 
Cole sounds good, i really don't care how much of a supposed cunt he is, hes still a very good player as hes proven lately, theres no doubt about it that he would improve the left back position and thats exactly what we need and should be looking to do.

As for Johnson, get rid, of course there will be better out there and hopefully our scouts are on it, its such a shame Seamus Coleman plays for the bitters as he would be worth breaking the bank for.
 
Fabio said:
Again, I'd still rather make sure that Glen Johnson does not play for us again, rather than sort a left back first and make flanno back up.

Unless the plan is to get Cole and make flanno first choice for the right . Then I'm totally on board with that .
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If we are only going to get one fb this summer, we're screwed
 
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