Transfer Rumours 21/22
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Right now in their career's you would...obviously overall Firmino the better player/had the better career but right now you'd have Ings over him.
I'm going to nip this in the bud here.
It's almost become fashionable to shit on the likes of Firmino and Wijnaldum here of late. There's no denying that their ability has declined, but have a bit of perspective please.
You want to compare Firmino's stats with Ings? Last year, which btw was Firmino's worst season, he had 9 goals and 7 assists - 16 goal involvements. Ings? Exactly the same - 12 goals, 4 assists.
Over their career? Firmino blows Ings out of the water. 144 goals and 105 assists. 249 goal involvements. Ings has 106 goals and 29 assists - 135 goal involvements.
That's almost double his production. Oh and btw, Firmino isn't even a true striker. He's a false 9 playing behind the main goalscorers in Salah and Mane.
While we're at it, Salah, Firmino and Mane have a staggering 309 goals between them in the last 5 years. Firmino has 87 of them. Not just one of the greatest attacking trios in the last decade, but will also go down as one of Liverpool's most storied forward lines. To be counted in the same breath as Rush-Dalglish or Barnes-Beardsley-Aldo.
And we're comparing Firmino with Ings? Ings is the classic good mid-table striker. Like Kevin Phillips, Darren Bent, Yakubu etc. Good goalscorer, but doesn't have the technique, touch or spatial awareness to be a genuine world class player.
Firmino has certainly declined, but at his prime he was a solid tier above a player like Ings. Even today, I'd take Firmino in our system over Ings anyday. His touch, technique, spatial awareness is still significantly superior.
There's a reason Ings has played the best football in his career with Burnley, Southampton and Aston Villa while Firmino is a PL, CL and a World Club Cup winner.
You're not nipping anything in the bud. Ings is a better striker. See who scores the most this season. This forum will be full of posts again about getting him out of the team ASAP.
Spatial awareness?? Great. I'd prefer goals.
Spatial awareness?? Great. I'd prefer goals.
Isn't Jota?
Ings over the last 2 seasons has hands down been the better striker, in just about every way.
Firmino is mostly a passenger these days and it's a sad sight seeing what's he's become, a shadow of the player we saw 2016-2019 looks lost...sharpness gone, pressing gone, lazy passing, weak as piss.
Firmino is mostly a passenger these days and it's a sad sight seeing what's he's become, a shadow of the player we saw 2016-2019 looks lost...sharpness gone, pressing gone, lazy passing, weak as piss.
Did you completely miss Dmishra's post (& stats) or you just want to ignore it since it doesn't suit your rhetoric?
Thats a very one sided view, yes Firmino has had a better career but that's not entirely relevant at this point in time. We are not comparing Ings with the Firmino of 4 or 5 years ago who could score 20 goals a season. He's slower, less clinical in his finishing and goes missing for long periods of the season. Ings has been good rather than spectacular but he plays in a much worse team that struggles for goals.
If you swapped them around and put Firmino in that Southampton side and Ings with us I suspect Firmino would look very average very quickly while Ings would undoubtedly get more goals in a more attacking side.
I'm talking about the here and now not over their career/in their prime, I acknowledge Firmino has done more in his career..what part of that of you not understand?
I watch every Liverpool game, this guy has offered us next to nothing since we came back from Doha in later December 2019...his overall play is finished to the Firmino we saw on fire the 2 seasons before.
Good job the echo is there to cheer us up in these dark times, sell on fees is the latest obsession. we don't want to SAVE Millions we want to SPEND Millions like our ever growing rival list. 12 months ago there where only 2 teams fighting for the title that can't be said more. Rant over and out
You can't really compare the two, as Bobby plays more as supporting/second striker/false number 9. And besides Klopp disagrees with you too on this, as does market value
You can easily compare the 2 and I'm not sure what the latter part has got to do with anything? I'm still going to say what I have to say...it's not like Klopp has an abundant of talent waiting in the wings to take his place....it's not like he has an adundance amount of money like 100m to spend on a Kane or Lukaku.
Lol at people not thinking Grealish won’t make a huge difference to City or thinking he needs to make a difference to their first 11. The point is they can to win everything because whether you have Grealish, Sterling or Mahrez in the team it’ll be enough for that position in any comp. He’s another amazing player to unlock teams for them.
Err yes, here and now. So you are ignoring the stats then. From Dmishra's post : last season being Firmino's worst season (so it's eminently likely he won't repeat that), 9 goals and 7 assists - 16 goal involvements. Ings : exactly the same - 12 goals, 4 assists -16 goal involvements.
Give yourself a biscuit for watching every game ... like 90% on here (myself included).
Ings played 7 games less which is a pretty significant part of this comparison.
Grealish massively improves City. The amount is irrelevant as it doesn’t matter to them.
PS - go Fuck yourself with the snide shite, you understood well enough.
Stop with your fucking double negatives and your overblown shite then will you.
He doesn’t “massively” improve them, in the same way Ange Postecoglou isn’t a “great” manager.
Does Grealish improve them - probably - on the basis he adds depth - but none of us know how the dumb cunt will perform when he’s not top dog, the first name on the sheet every week, and coping with coming on in the last 15 minutes or starting one game in every 3.
I look forward to Pep trying to explain his over complicated tactics to the dumb cunt. Both faces will be a picture.
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We're making 2 big signings. Just you wait.
This is just the usual let's talk about everything in one thread so theres a minimal level of discussion thread.
We need a proper thread about Divock where I can clearly highlight the opinions of the utter gobshites like Woland, Hansern and Frogfish who believed he was destined for greatness.
This mish mash of shit is no fun
We need a proper thread about Divock where I can clearly highlight the opinions of the utter gobshites like Woland, Hansern and Frogfish who believed he was destined for greatness.
This mish mash of shit is no fun
I haven't checked the facts or numbers, but I'm presuming Bobby has done this over a longer career?
I'm wondering what their respective per game or per minute stats look like?
They both debuted the same year and they are both the same age, but Bobby is slightly younger.
Ings injuries probably effect his stats though.
I’m taking this to mean I should be refreshing tall Paul’s Twitter feed and expect to see who we are buying.
Improve? For sure. He'll get so many soft FKs for KDB to score.
Massively? Who knows. He needs to adapt to Tiki-Taka like Mahrez has had to, who imo is more talented.
Grealish is a ball-hog who is sometime guilty of overplaying.
Pep likes tip-tappy bellend football, where the emphasis will be on a lot of short, crisp passing. He'll also need to deal with the fact he's competing against top players week in, week out.
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