And Jota is not actually ‘that’ great. He is good but not great.
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And Jota is not actually ‘that’ great. He is good but not great.
Net spend over the last five years:
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{td=64x@}101.1{/td}
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{td}55{/td}
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{td}49.8{/td}
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{td}39.6{/td}
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{td}Brighton & Hove Albion{/td}
{td}39.5{/td}
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{td}37{/td}
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{td}8{/td}
{td}West Ham{/td}
{td}31.1{/td}
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{td}9{/td}
{td}AFC Bournemouth{/td}
{td}26.7{/td}
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{td}26.6{/td}
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{td}11{/td}
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{td}22.5{/td}
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{td}21.5{/td}
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{td}19{/td}
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{td}10.5{/td}
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{td}18{/td}
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{td}8.1{/td}
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{td}19{/td}
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Net spend over the last five years from here: https://www.transferleague.co.uk/pr...tables/premier-league-table-last-five-seasons
Do the owners of the 14 clubs above us own oil rigs? I am not expecting us to compete with City, United, or Chelsea. But it will be nice to compete with Everton, Arsenal, Aston Villa, Brighton.
But … but … stadium … new contracts … corona virus … all these things MUST make us less competitive in the transfer market than Leicester, Villa, and Everton.
fucks sake.
fucks sake.
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I think FSG are overusing the Klopp is Merlin reborn factor to skimp on not splashing out as much as they should.
Don't get me wrong Klopp is a miracle worker for sure but those trophies we won don't happen without VVD/Salah/Allison/Fabinho. We cant always rely on Klopp's amazing ability to level up average players all the time.
Defo need a striker as it seems the blood sacrifices arent working on Origi anymore.
The only other thing I can think of is that we have a glut of young academy strikers who are ready to step up next season...
Don't get me wrong Klopp is a miracle worker for sure but those trophies we won don't happen without VVD/Salah/Allison/Fabinho. We cant always rely on Klopp's amazing ability to level up average players all the time.
Defo need a striker as it seems the blood sacrifices arent working on Origi anymore.
The only other thing I can think of is that we have a glut of young academy strikers who are ready to step up next season...
Yep, it’s not like before that we were reporting record profits for 2 seasons in a row while we won everything in site. It’s good to be prudent and balanced but also saying no one else spends apart from oil rich clubs is rubbish.
That should pay for the Adrian contract extension.
He’s too much of a separatist for me.
I’ve never watched Star Wars or Star Track or whatever this is, so I’ve no idea what you two are blabbering on about.
Anyway, here’s an article about Count Doku and how he turned a chance to join LFC down:
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It is early 2018. Jérémy Doku is about to turn 16, but Liverpool get the big guns out to convince a young, pacy winger from Anderlecht to move to Merseyside. They invite him for an introduction to the club. Doku flies in with his parents, David, a Ghanaian immigrant who moved to Belgium in 1993, and Belinda.
A club representative gives the Antwerp-born kid a tour around Anfield. Their next stop is Melwood. It is there that the stars come out. Jürgen Klopp has a chat with player and parents. Dad David says: “He explained to us that Jérémy could replace Mané in a few years.”
Steven Gerrard, Liverpool Under-19s manager at the time, calls them into his office and shows him some video footage. Mo Salah hands him a shirt. Sadio Mané, Georginio Wijnaldum and Doku’s countryman Simon Mignolet walk by and have a few words with him.
His parents are shown around a school. They visit a house where they could possibly live. They negotiate the salary they have in mind. They are overwhelmed. Everything is in place at Liverpool, from the football project to the financial side. They see their kid as a future Red.
Doku is less impressed. He does not feel a lot for a move to England. Barcelona are the team of his dreams – he still picks them on Fifa21. His eyes only start blinking when his parents announce that it is time to go back home: “I really look forward to train with Anderlecht again tomorrow,” he says.
Anderlecht are convinced they will lose Doku to Liverpool. They have even given them official permission to talk to the player. It is part of the negotiations over a loan move of Lazar Markovic to Anderlecht in January 2018. Anderlecht’s general manager, Herman Van Holsbeeck, bends under the pressure. A deal with Newcastle over Aleksandar Mitrovic has stalled a few hours before the transfer deadline. They make a last-minute attempt for the Serbian winger Markovic, who is no longer in Klopp’s plans. To get Liverpool over the line Van Holsbeeck agrees, with a Doku clause in the loan deal.
It is a risk but Anderlecht have not given up on Doku just yet. Their head of youth development, Jean Kindermans, makes a call to the former Anderlecht player Romelu Lukaku, the first big Belgian star to come through their Purple Talents Project in 2009. Kindermans asks Lukaku if he would like to shoot a short video to persuade Doku to stay.
Lukaku tells Doku that it is better to shine in the Belgian league first before moving to a big club. It is the path Lukaku has followed: he established himself at Anderlecht as a top scorer before he crossed the channel to join Chelsea at the age of 18. The video message takes away the last doubts. Doku signs a professional deal with Anderlecht.
The winger is 16 years and six months old when he makes his debut for the first team, as a substitute against Sint-Truiden in November 2018. The return of Vincent Kompany to Anderlecht as a player-manager in the summer of 2019 accelerates his development. As the club are financially in muddy waters they put all their money on their youth prospects. Doku impresses with his pace and dribbling skills in a pre-season friendly against Benfica. He consequently starts the first league game of the new season.
Doku shows glimpses of his talent but also a lack of efficiency and consistency – typical for young players. His interesting profile also catches the eyes of the national manager, Roberto Martínez, and his scouts. They soon start considering him a potential stand-in for the captain, Eden Hazard, who is struggling with injuries since his move to Real Madrid.
On 5 September 2020, three months after his 18th birthday, Martínez hands Doku his debut for Belgium against Denmark. A few days later he features in the starting XI against Iceland. After a very difficult first half where he fails to impress, he manages to score a late goal that shows all his qualities: pace, skills and unpredictability. The world has seen it too.
The scouts of Rennes have been aware of his abilities for a while and decide to jump the gun. They know about Anderlecht’s financial struggles – a loss of €63m over two years on a budget of €170m. They convince him with the promise of Champions League football. Doku, as Martínez has told him, needs European games to develop. Anderlecht had not qualified for a European competition in two consecutive years and need the money urgently. The €27m transfer fee makes him Rennes’s record signing. He erases Youri Tielemans (€25m to Monaco in 2017) as Anderlecht’s most expensive outgoing transfer.
In his first season in Ligue 1 Doku has established himself as a starter, but there have been ups and downs. His stats are not amazing, but the club see through them. “It was time to make the next step,” Doku told Belgium’s HLN. “You don’t play against a Neymar or an Mbappé in the Belgian league. My stats are what they are. I didn’t score a lot in Belgium either – I’m a not Zlatan.”
Julien Stéphane, sacked as Rennes manager in March, agrees. “I was immediately charmed by his positive attitude. He is very eager to learn. He listens to a manager. He adapted very well. That’s why I kept playing him. He only struggled for a while because he couldn’t score.”
Martínez knows and is a fan: “Doku has something special.” At Liverpool, the scouts had seen it too.
Anyway, here’s an article about Count Doku and how he turned a chance to join LFC down:
==========
It is early 2018. Jérémy Doku is about to turn 16, but Liverpool get the big guns out to convince a young, pacy winger from Anderlecht to move to Merseyside. They invite him for an introduction to the club. Doku flies in with his parents, David, a Ghanaian immigrant who moved to Belgium in 1993, and Belinda.
A club representative gives the Antwerp-born kid a tour around Anfield. Their next stop is Melwood. It is there that the stars come out. Jürgen Klopp has a chat with player and parents. Dad David says: “He explained to us that Jérémy could replace Mané in a few years.”
Steven Gerrard, Liverpool Under-19s manager at the time, calls them into his office and shows him some video footage. Mo Salah hands him a shirt. Sadio Mané, Georginio Wijnaldum and Doku’s countryman Simon Mignolet walk by and have a few words with him.
His parents are shown around a school. They visit a house where they could possibly live. They negotiate the salary they have in mind. They are overwhelmed. Everything is in place at Liverpool, from the football project to the financial side. They see their kid as a future Red.
Doku is less impressed. He does not feel a lot for a move to England. Barcelona are the team of his dreams – he still picks them on Fifa21. His eyes only start blinking when his parents announce that it is time to go back home: “I really look forward to train with Anderlecht again tomorrow,” he says.
Anderlecht are convinced they will lose Doku to Liverpool. They have even given them official permission to talk to the player. It is part of the negotiations over a loan move of Lazar Markovic to Anderlecht in January 2018. Anderlecht’s general manager, Herman Van Holsbeeck, bends under the pressure. A deal with Newcastle over Aleksandar Mitrovic has stalled a few hours before the transfer deadline. They make a last-minute attempt for the Serbian winger Markovic, who is no longer in Klopp’s plans. To get Liverpool over the line Van Holsbeeck agrees, with a Doku clause in the loan deal.
It is a risk but Anderlecht have not given up on Doku just yet. Their head of youth development, Jean Kindermans, makes a call to the former Anderlecht player Romelu Lukaku, the first big Belgian star to come through their Purple Talents Project in 2009. Kindermans asks Lukaku if he would like to shoot a short video to persuade Doku to stay.
Lukaku tells Doku that it is better to shine in the Belgian league first before moving to a big club. It is the path Lukaku has followed: he established himself at Anderlecht as a top scorer before he crossed the channel to join Chelsea at the age of 18. The video message takes away the last doubts. Doku signs a professional deal with Anderlecht.
The winger is 16 years and six months old when he makes his debut for the first team, as a substitute against Sint-Truiden in November 2018. The return of Vincent Kompany to Anderlecht as a player-manager in the summer of 2019 accelerates his development. As the club are financially in muddy waters they put all their money on their youth prospects. Doku impresses with his pace and dribbling skills in a pre-season friendly against Benfica. He consequently starts the first league game of the new season.
Doku shows glimpses of his talent but also a lack of efficiency and consistency – typical for young players. His interesting profile also catches the eyes of the national manager, Roberto Martínez, and his scouts. They soon start considering him a potential stand-in for the captain, Eden Hazard, who is struggling with injuries since his move to Real Madrid.
On 5 September 2020, three months after his 18th birthday, Martínez hands Doku his debut for Belgium against Denmark. A few days later he features in the starting XI against Iceland. After a very difficult first half where he fails to impress, he manages to score a late goal that shows all his qualities: pace, skills and unpredictability. The world has seen it too.
The scouts of Rennes have been aware of his abilities for a while and decide to jump the gun. They know about Anderlecht’s financial struggles – a loss of €63m over two years on a budget of €170m. They convince him with the promise of Champions League football. Doku, as Martínez has told him, needs European games to develop. Anderlecht had not qualified for a European competition in two consecutive years and need the money urgently. The €27m transfer fee makes him Rennes’s record signing. He erases Youri Tielemans (€25m to Monaco in 2017) as Anderlecht’s most expensive outgoing transfer.
In his first season in Ligue 1 Doku has established himself as a starter, but there have been ups and downs. His stats are not amazing, but the club see through them. “It was time to make the next step,” Doku told Belgium’s HLN. “You don’t play against a Neymar or an Mbappé in the Belgian league. My stats are what they are. I didn’t score a lot in Belgium either – I’m a not Zlatan.”
Julien Stéphane, sacked as Rennes manager in March, agrees. “I was immediately charmed by his positive attitude. He is very eager to learn. He listens to a manager. He adapted very well. That’s why I kept playing him. He only struggled for a while because he couldn’t score.”
Martínez knows and is a fan: “Doku has something special.” At Liverpool, the scouts had seen it too.
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The pandemic, no crowds, lockdowns began only last year.
Next you're going to find the net spend for all clubs for the last 2 years, right ?
Yes, because in your fantasy football world, all clubs have equal footing, wealth, funding and their recoveries from the pandemic run linearly together.
It's like saying to your mate who had to shut down his pub cos of the loss of business from the pandemic and various other factors, yeah you could've done better cos other pubs are still surviving and spending loads of advertising, renovation and stuff.
I'm not defending our owners, but there needs to be some perspective and it's only the beginning of July ffs. We'll all shut up when we get Mbappe in August. Although we'll likely end up with Mbabu instead.
This is the worst kind of Football Manager bullshit and a load of fucking nonsense.
Ryan Bertrand is 31, he wants a fat wage and to at least have the chance of playing regularly (like, every week). Leicester have good young options, but he will be confident in his chances of securing a first team spot for the next 2yrs. What could we offer? Hi Ryan even if you play out of your skin you’re deffo not the first choice. Expect 10 games a season and a few sub appearances. If you get super lucky the first choice might get injured. Robbo? Virtually an ever present for 2 seasons lad. Yeah, good luck.
It’s not fantasy football world, go back to the net spend pre pandemic and then compare the numbers then get back to me. Only Chelsea and City have unlimited funds, what about the rest of the 18 over the past 10yrs?
I’m more bothered ensuring we maxmise our time with Klopp over the next few years.
As you said not every club is in on an equal footing, what we achieved 2yrs before should have provided a decent financial footing for stable spending especially with histroical law interest rates.
Prudent spending doesn’t mean waiting till end of last day of winter transfer for a defender we needed all season. It’s ridiculous and if it wasn’t for Nat, We would have dropped out of CL positions.
I know a little about pandemic and running business through it, we are part of the 3.8m excluded so don’t blather on without facts as a side show. Client contracts being dropped last minute etc and not going to pretend it’s not worse for others.
I don’t know why Mbappe is continuenly mentioned, we aren’t signing him at any point and pure pie in the sky.
Suggest lookup how FSG have run Red Sox pre pandemic for a good comparision.
Hopefully we do spend on cover we need as I don’t want to be having the same conversation this time next year as we did when we didn’t sign a Loveren cover.
Arsenal and Everton are battling it out for 50m centre backs. Arsenal have also put in a bid for Locatelli...
TBF we can't compete with arsenal's recent successes
Not to mention Everton, they've won 3 of the last 4 transfer windows.
Everton did also win the October league table too.
I understood probably 15% what you’re trying to say and gave up reading 5% midway. Soz.
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Don’t worry, 100% of your post was wrong and I just picked apart each point so no probs. Let’s move on.
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But we are in the hunt for Mbappe again this summer so don’t knock or even dare to question the ambition...
We are in the hunt for him every year... there are going to be a lot of disappointed supporters when he signs for Real Madrid next year (The Bale money will just transfer to him).
To be honest, I would prefer that this summer as it would bring some closure on the whole thing.
We should loan him in Jan while Mo and Mane are away on AFCON duty...
Come on man, there is no need to go there like that.
You understand the wider point people are making. We have underinvested in the squad over the past couple years. To argue otherwise is basically like arguing black is white.
We’ve been here for more than a decade way before some noobs here have learned how to wear their undies and every season we do the same routine.
Honestly it’s quite tiresome, especially with all the general misery and moaning since the pandemic, all I’m saying is let’s have a bit of patience and see what Edwards and his team have up their sleeves. If it was the hapless Ayre in charge then I can understand but Edwards has proven time and again he’s a shrewd operator so he deserves some benefit of the doubt. Most of the players are away at the Euros and/or Copa anyways which also delays any kind of negotiations.
If we kick off in August and we still haven’t found Gini’s replacement then ok blame the lizards all you want.
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