I honestly can't see us signing anyone of note.
Transfer Rumours 21/22
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Mbappe is FSG's secret weapon.
He's the justification for saving our pennies every summer
The usual counter-argument to the "stop moaning and wait and see" is to say okay well let's just shut the forum down over the summer.
I don't think anyone is being unduly negative here. It has been frustrating to watch the squad stagnate over the last couple years. It was incredibly frustrating to watch us do nothing last January waiting till the last day to bring in reinforcements. It's frustrating to watch, at the same time, our rivals strengthen.
I'm not quite sure what the issue is. Yeah, there have been some glass half empty outlooks but it's not like it's coming from nowhere.
What do you think paid for the Kelleher contract extension?
If you gave up reading on 5%, yet understood 15% of what he said, does that make you prescient?
some of those Nivea ads?
I wonder how many of those clubs above us also had over £400m in player sales in that period? So our actual player purchases were around £280m, not really enough for a club of our stature but see below.
We have also invested in the AXA Training Centre (£50m) and the new Main Stand expansion (financed for £110m and opened in 2016 so likely still paying for it) and now planning for an expansion to the Annie Rd stand (£60m). So how many of the above have also invested that much in new facilities? Or anything. None?
Evertonians will be jizzing over this - top three and 11 places above the reds
I think so. Hard to tell without seeing 2021 results, but it’s just a matter of how bad they will look.
Unless we borrow funds, I don’t see how we can make major buys this summer without selling big first. I expect this is why Super League was announced when it was.
We supposedly only paid a small first instalment on Jota last year which means more to pay this year. Only way I think we can do a decent sized deal this year is if we can defer payments, which I think is unlikely (I was surprised Wolves agreed to it last year). I can see one, maybe two £40m deals, paid for by a few sales. Hope I’m wrong.
Listen, I get there are many things involved in running a club outside of just net spend but every other club on the list would have the same consideration.
Why don’t you go through that list and asses it, they all have in same spent just like us in infra. For e.g. Leciester are very compareable (new stadium and new trainging ground which itself cost 100m)
I was trying to find net spend stats over 10yrs but couldn’t anything obvious. But from I remember it has always remained pretty constant until we sold the golden goose Coutinho.
Not sure why some people are throwing their panties in a twist over this question, it’s a perfectly fair question about investment into playing staff and how FSG historoically run their other investments. FSG have brought a great amount of stability but if you stand still while other clubs are walking then we are heading into another season where the same questions would only get louder.
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Lol. Yup, fantasy football. Kids these days.
*rolls eyes*
*rolls eyes*
That does seem to be the most likely scenario.
We sell Gruijic, Shack and Wilson to fund another midfielder.
We sell Origi, Awoniyi and Minimino to fund a new striker.
All on a sell first buy later basis.
And why weren't Utd for example affected in the same way?
Utd make about £100m a year more than us, match day revenues will be down for everybody but they would still be making substantially more from commercial arrangements.
I'm not surprised when Utd or City outspend us, they bothhave more money for different reasons. I get concerned when Leeds and Villa have more money for transfers than us. We saw this model play out over a decade at Arsenal, no matter how good your manager or scouting team you can only pull a rabbit out of the hat so many times. Eventually you have to invest or fall away.
I'm not surprised when Utd or City outspend us, they bothhave more money for different reasons. I get concerned when Leeds and Villa have more money for transfers than us. We saw this model play out over a decade at Arsenal, no matter how good your manager or scouting team you can only pull a rabbit out of the hat so many times. Eventually you have to invest or fall away.
That’s because we won’t.
Yes but virtually all major deals, for all clubs, are staggered over, at the very least, the length of the contract. So it's really only the down payment that's required and of course the ability to service that debt over the next few seasons.
Deals would be staggered over three years max. It’s not just about finding this year’s instalment on this year’s deal, you have to find instalments on deals for the last two years as well. Normally we’d be in a good position with no meaningful deals two years ago (When our spare cash went into the training ground), but as I mentioned probably higher instalments for Jota. I expect we won’t just be looking at this year. If we borrow to spend big this year we need to find the same money again next year and the year after to meet the instalments. That can’t be guaranteed.
When you then add in losses over the last 15 months we’re likely not in a good place to buy from our own resources.
United can spend as they turn over more than we do, City, Chelsea can spend from prize money last year plus ‘loans’ from their owners. Everton will spend beyond their means again from Moshiri (= Usmanov?) ‘loans’.
We can only spend big if we sell big or borrow. We won’t be getting a sugar daddy loan so unless a bank is desperate to take on a load of risk then we’re struggling. We can’t even raise cash from factoring our transfer debts as we haven’t got any big amounts due to us. Only final option would be to get some of our commercial deals to pay up-front, which might work for new deals but is unlikely for existing ones (which is where the most value lies).
I’m sure we’ll do as much as we can, but I don’t think it will be much.
Barcelona will now accept less for Brazil midfielder Philippe Coutinho than they paid Liverpool in add-ons when the 29-year-old joined the La Liga side as his value continues to drop
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/foot...ool-transfer-news-coutinho-barcelona-24458793
At a price around about the £20m mark and with both Mane and Salah away for the African Cup of Nations £20-25m would be a shrewd investment for a player already premier league proven,knows what Klopp expects of him, fits the systemand has the qualities and skill needed to fit back in...
At that price we would be mad not to re-sign him
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/foot...ool-transfer-news-coutinho-barcelona-24458793
At a price around about the £20m mark and with both Mane and Salah away for the African Cup of Nations £20-25m would be a shrewd investment for a player already premier league proven,knows what Klopp expects of him, fits the systemand has the qualities and skill needed to fit back in...
At that price we would be mad not to re-sign him
Yeah until his back goes again. No thank you very much. He had his chance time to move on
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