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To get the best out of Carroll

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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47143.msg1411152#msg1411152 date=1318372262]
[quote author=Gary25 link=topic=47143.msg1411151#msg1411151 date=1318372195]
Well we have one in Downing. The thing is we still have 4 players that can deliver a pinpoint cross - Enrique, Adam, Gerrard and Downing.
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Not the point. We're not a team that plays it wide and gets crosses in; it's anathema to the way we play.
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Well, fair enough point but could you say Newcastle played it wide and got crosses in? Most of his service came from Barton and Enrique.
 
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47143.msg1411152#msg1411152 date=1318372262]
[quote author=Gary25 link=topic=47143.msg1411151#msg1411151 date=1318372195]
Well we have one in Downing. The thing is we still have 4 players that can deliver a pinpoint cross - Enrique, Adam, Gerrard and Downing.
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Not the point. We're not a team that plays it wide and gets crosses in; it's anathema to the way we play.
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Well, fair enough point but could you say Newcastle played it wide and got crosses in? Most of his service came from Barton and Enrique.
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Barton's job was to stand out wide and swing crosses in. He took every set-piece from all over the ground and launched it towards Carroll.

We, like I've said, don't play like that. Nor should we either. Why change the way we play to suit one player? We've got better players in Gerrard, Suarez, Kuyt, Lucas etc etc who play a different way.

Carroll doesn't fit into our team. We bought the wrong player.
 
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[quote author=Gary25 link=topic=47143.msg1411158#msg1411158 date=1318373306]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47143.msg1411152#msg1411152 date=1318372262]
[quote author=Gary25 link=topic=47143.msg1411151#msg1411151 date=1318372195]
Well we have one in Downing. The thing is we still have 4 players that can deliver a pinpoint cross - Enrique, Adam, Gerrard and Downing.
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Not the point. We're not a team that plays it wide and gets crosses in; it's anathema to the way we play.
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Well, fair enough point but could you say Newcastle played it wide and got crosses in? Most of his service came from Barton and Enrique.
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Barton's job was to stand out wide and swing crosses in. He took every set-piece from all over the ground and launched it towards Carroll.

We, like I've said, don't play like that. Nor should we either. Why change the way we play to suit one player? We've got better players in Gerrard, Suarez, Kuyt, Lucas etc etc who play a different way.

Carroll doesn't fit into our team. We bought the wrong player.
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Totally get your point, i really do.
We really don't base much emphasis on our wingers, even when we tearing it up in the Champions League for a few years under Rafa, our wingers didn't play too big a role.

However, i must have watched Carroll at least 15 times(full 90mins) before he signed for us and he impressed me almost every time, albeit most of these matches were in the Championship. He destroyed teams up and down the country with his power, aerially prowess and cannon of a left peg.
I'd like to think at just 22 and with a few goals under his belt that he could get back to what he's good at.

I just think it would be such a fucking shame if we didn't see a player of Carroll's potential and ability do the business for us.
 
I'm not disupting his ability. He's really talented, but unless we (or he) radically change styles, then that talent would probably be better suited elsewhere.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=47143.msg1411173#msg1411173 date=1318380185]
I'm not disupting his ability. He's really talented, but unless we (or he) radically change styles, then that talent would probably be better suited elsewhere.
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You could be right. As always, only time will tell. It'll be very interesting to see how he performs in the coming months.
Hopefully Gerrard coming back will benefit him too.

I've been proper critical of the lad since the start of the season, but that's mainly borne out of frustration because we all know what he's capable of.
 
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I can't help but agree with Ryan. I watched very little of Newcastle whilst he was there so I don't know what 'potential' he is supposed to have but I've seen very little evidence of it in a Liverpool shirt. He always looks a yard off the pace.

If only we'd have bought someone like Cazorla or another truly gifted technical player along with cheaper striking option. We'd be in a much better place and we could've invested in a top class striker at a later date.
 
It's hard to disagree with Ryan re: Carroll being the wrong signing. All signs point to that


I still think he'll become very good for us, he just needs confidence and a better with ethic
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=47143.msg1411232#msg1411232 date=1318410169]
I can't help but agree with Ryan. I watched very little of Newcastle whilst he was there so I don't know what 'potential' he is supposed to have but I've seen very little evidence of it in a Liverpool shirt. He always looks a yard off the pace.

If only we'd have bought someone like Cazorla or another truly gifted technical player along with cheaper striking option. We'd be in a much better place and we could've invested in a top class striker at a later date.
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World class attacking players were and still are required.
 
I think he has shown signs of settling in of late and he needs to. I am still hopeful for him as a player.

I agree he doesnt quite fit yet and we clearly havent settled on how to play, unlike United where Fergy has shown everyone how to do it. Getting rid of Ming was damaging to our tiky taky plan A, which we all enjoyed watching, but as yet we dont seemed to have developed a plan B.

What Carroll can actually do i'm not sure but regardless he needs to get some goals flowing otherwise he is just a passenger in the team.

However we have spent the money we have spent their is undoubtedly more ability in the side than last season and we do need players like Carroll to step up to the mark and start performing. Saturday will be a really really good test and im praying that the lanky twat can cause all kinds of merry havoc.
 
*Shameless plug time!!!
*Written before the big man bagged in the derby but the mofo'ing editor takes his sweet time in uploading, anyway....

http://3down3up.com/issue/october-2011/article/andy-carroll

By Paul Gorst.

‘Andy didn’t play the last game with Liverpool and probably he is not at the top. Also he is big. He needs to play games, games, games. It’s the start of the season. He needs to find good form.’ - England manager, Fabio Capello on striker, Andy Carroll, August 2011.

Now, scour these words with the finest of tooth-combs and you may surmise that Carroll has not been at his best since the beginning of the 2010/11 Premier League season. The conclusion would be correct, but the hypothesis is hardly ingenious insight. It is no secret that Carroll has not been at his swash-buckling best since the start of the new campaign.

But when Capello mused on Carroll’s current form, many in the media saw it as a huge red-flag, and decided to haul up comments that Capello had made six months earlier and pedal them as the Italian’s latest shock inducing comments, which in-turn became back-page news nationally.

For reference, Capello said ahead of the friendly with Ghana – in March: ‘I spoke with him, in private. He's young - his behaviour is important. He needs to be careful at every moment because when you play with the England national team you are the focus of the fans, the newspapers, the photographers, the people that live around him. He needs to improve, to drink less.’

The notion that Capello was again being critical of the Liverpool man’s off-field behaviour ahead of the recent European Championship qualifier with Wales was simply ludicrous. Carroll has yet to set the world alight since his move to Anfield in January, but it is far too early for lurid headlines reminiscent of Paul Gascoigne’s descent from greatness.

Capello’s comments sparked a national debate amongst Radio sports-show phone-ins and website forums which caused his club manager Kenny Dalglish to leap to the defence of England’s most expensive player.

In reality, it all has the look of a storm-in-a-teacup. A mountain from a molehill and much ado about nothing.

Granted Carroll has not started brilliantly for the Reds this season, but the former Newcastle man was unfortunate to have a goal ruled out against Sunderland on the opening day. He would have also had another goal at Arsenal a week later, had it not been for an outstanding save from Gunners’ stopper Wojciech Szczesny.

Carroll also came off the bench to score in the 3-1 win at Exeter in the Carling Cup. He was then given just 14 minutes at Bolton in the 3-1 win at Anfield and 23 at Stoke as the Reds were beaten 1-0. He played a full 90 at Tottenham but it was a day to forget for Dalglish’s men as they were reduced to nine men and slumped to a 4-0 defeat – Dalglish’s worst as Liverpool manager in 337 games. He was then unlucky to see a towering header cannon back off the post in the recent 2-1 win over Wolves at Anfield. He finally scored his first league goal in the Merseyside Derby on October 1st.

It is ridiculously premature to suggest the £35m spent on the Gateshead native has been wasted, while it is also fair to claim the sum represents a big gamble, but Liverpool’s (and England’s) number nine, needs to be given time before anyone – regardless of their stance – can say they have been proven right.

The fee Liverpool paid is something Carroll had no control of. Newcastle knew Liverpool were due to pocket a British record of £50m for Fernando Torres as he moved to Chelsea on January transfer deadline day, and they simply forced the hands of Liverpool. It was quintessential business bargaining, but Liverpool made a statement of intent by the huge layout for Carroll. It was clear, Dalglish and Damien Comolli believed in him.

Carroll’s virtues are there for all to see. Tall and powerful, there is no finer aerial presence in the Premier League. He has left foot packed with C4, but he is also a very intelligent user of the football (something which is rarely observed, given the perpetual need to stereotype tall players who are good in the air).

In his short career so far, the former Preston North End man has developed a penchant for scoring big goals in big games. Last season for Newcastle, Carroll netted in the 1-1 draw with Chelsea and in wins against Arsenal and Liverpool themselves. He also notched for the Magpies at the-then relegation rivals West Ham United and he scored two against Champions League chasing Manchester City as Liverpool won 3-0 in April. His derby goal also adds weight this theory.

Since his move, Carroll has featured for Liverpool just 17 times; with six of them coming from the subs bench and he has four goals to his name. They are statistics that won’t help anybody looking to champion his case, but at just 22, Carroll certainly has time on his side.

As Capello astutely pointed out, Carroll needs games. He needs consistent starts and he needs to run-up a considerable amount of playing time. If this happens, Liverpool fans will surely start to see the kind of dominant performances that are expected a £35m striker.

It is now up to Carroll to rubbish all the sniping rumours of an out-of control private life, and deliver for Liverpool and England.

*writer's disclaimer. Couldn't care less about England, had to include it.
 
“What people tend to forget about Andy is that he’s still only young,” says Keegan.

“I played alongside Tosh when he was at his peak but he was in his mid-to-late twenties at that point.

“Therefore Andy’s best days are ahead of him and there’s still a way to go before he fully reaches his potential.

“What I would say though, and this is meant as no disrespect to Tosh who was an excellent, clever player, is that Andy is better in the air than he was. He’s outstanding, probably the best I’ve ever seen.”

And Keegan adds: “You need to really work on developing a partnership. Study the guy you are playing with, anticipate what he is going to do in certain situations and generally get to know him inside out.

“Myself and Tosh were lucky in the sense that we hit it off straight away but it still needed working on.

“You can’t just throw two people together, just because one’s big and the other one’s a bit small and one’s got a seven on his back, the other a nine.

“It doesn’t work like that; it’s how clever they are, I don’t mean in a sense academically clever, on a football field, football-brain wise;
how clever Carroll is at knowing what Suarez wants and how clever Suarez is at knowing what the other wants.

“If they get into that sort of mode, there’s a chance. But that will only come over a period of time.”

Keegan’s admiration of Carroll is echoed by his appreciation of Suarez, who is now wearing the number seven Liverpool jersey he made famous during the 1970s.

“He’s such a great player,” he says. “He’s got the vision that all great players have, cinema-surround style that gives him the ability to be aware of everything around them.

“And just like Messi, if he tries a trick and it doesn’t come off, he’ll just try it again.”
 
Toon chief: Carroll is worth 'f*** all'
Published 22:59 12/11/11 By Brian McNally

Derek Llambias, the man who brokered the deal that made Andy Carroll the most expensive Englishman in football history, has sensationally claimed: “He’s worth f*** all!”

The Toon MD’s disparaging verdict on England striker Carroll (below) came when he was giving a group of Newcastle fans an insight into the £35million deal that took the England striker to Liverpool in January.

Llambias insists that Newcastle got the better of the deal.

The Anfield club’s first bid was £30m and Llambias told the fans: “I have to admit that £30m for Andy Carroll is a lot of money.”

When one supporter asked him “Is he worth £30m?” Llambias responded: “No — he’s worth f*** all.” He then explains that after rejecting the £30m offer, Newcastle refused to sell even for £35m unless Liverpool paid the entire fee up front.

A move that forced Liverpool to ask Chelsea to increase their first instalment of the £50m they had already agreed to pay for Fernando Torres!

Llambias explained: “It is about control.

“We had the control. We knew the Torres deal was there.

“We drew that f****** deal, perhaps the ultimate.

“So £30m? F*** off! Don’t waste my time and I slammed the phone down.

“£35m? Everybody including Pardew [manager Alan Pardew] all agreed.

“But the £35m they wanted to pay over four years. It was rubbish. Mike (Ashley) said — and he is a brave boy Mike I promise you — get all the £35m up front.

“We got it all up front and then they never paid us on time and we charged them 12 grand f****** interest.
 
More small time actions from an Ashley employee.

Shame, as by all accounts they have good supporters and a decent history as a club.
 
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Maybe, but we were dictated to by a bunch of muppets. It makes the whole saga ever so slightly worse.
 
We really should have waited. But that is hindsight alas. We all know he is not worth 25, never mind 35.
 
Hindsight is no excuse.

We're paying a lot of money for people to make the right decisions in the first place.
 
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