Ticket Prices

[Vlads Quiff]

There's no right answer, obv.

However, I've always supported strike action in work when the union did it, simply because I agreed with ninety percent of the reasons behind the union's grievances.

If somehow this led to the majority of fans leaving on 77 minutes, & was reported as widely as it should be, I have no doubt it would be followed up by other fans doing likewise.

The TV money comes from the image of this league. Part of that image is the fans packing the stadiums & the clubs trying to portray a wholesome family friendly image too.

Once that is endangered then they will take action to prevent that damage.

2m is nothing in relation to the TV deals & the club knows that.

Like Liam I'm most pissed off about now being able to take Luke the match. Not only that but I don't know any kids that go to see the senior side regularly. I take him to see the under 21s when I can cos we can actually afford it, but the atmosphere isn't there & he doesn't recognise the players etc so there's no real connection for him.

Something has to change or in 15 years time Anfield is going to be old men, & day trippers almost exclusively. I include locals in 'day trippers' btw cos locals who only go every now & then don't tend to sing or get involved as much as regular match goers either.

If this can at least ignite a larger action & bring with it some real debate at levels that matter about ticket prices then I'm all for it, as much as I can be as someone who isn't going to be there & make that decision.

I agree with the age demographic being a problem, but that's more to do with the disproportionate number of season tickets. This is the reason why the Kop has died too Jon - in the old days there was a passage through the ground over a couple of generations- youngsters and young men started off standing in the terraces singing and being rumbustious (we drank more before the match then too) as time went on you got too old for all that and migrated the stands and became an aldarse there (like me and Portly now) . The seating of stadia and making the Kop largely season ticket holder has seen the young men in the 25-30 range 1990 then stay put in the Kop and now in the 50-55 range, and why wouldn't you it's cheaper- there is no churn - If we wanted to bring back atmosphere you'd have to make the Kop day ticket- even pay on the gate like we used to do so you might get away with that without the thought of bringing back standing.
It's partly about pricing but by no means all

 

[Vlads Quiff]

I sort of hope it does cause trouble and divide the fans , I will then be proved right over the motives and people behind SoS - a decisive bunch of trouble makers they are bubbling away in the background waiting for every opportunity to have a pop

 

[FoxForceFive]

I was thinking about pay on the gate yesterday. I think it would help a great deal of issues to bring it back for the Kop.

The old ticket number system where you qualified for the big matches if you'd been to X number of matches against 'smaller' sides ensured that there was still a full Kop too, which would be a boon if introduced alongside it.

Of course you'd still get a load of tourists queuing for some games but I suspect the majority would rather pay more & be guaranteed a ticket. Those that did queue would inevitably be heading off to the club shop, so there would be a benefit.

 

[jon545660]

I'd be tempted to join the walkout (if I was a regular matchgoer), but only if it was part of a wider football thing. Otherwise it will probably end up harming our club only.

It would be great to see fans in every prem ground walking out. And keep doing it until the league as a whole has a proper look at capping ticket prices.

 

[gkmacca]

I agree with the age demographic being a problem, but that's more to do with the disproportionate number of season tickets. This is the reason why the Kop has died too Jon - in the old days there was a passage through the ground over a couple of generations- youngsters and young men started off standing in the terraces singing and being rumbustious (we drank more before the match then too) as time went on you got too old for all that and migrated the stands and became an aldarse there (like me and Portly now) . The seating of stadia and making the Kop largely season ticket holder has seen the young men in the 25-30 range 1990 then stay put in the Kop and now in the 50-55 range, and why wouldn't you it's cheaper- there is no churn - If we wanted to bring back atmosphere you'd have to make the Kop day ticket- even pay on the gate like we used to do so you might get away with that without the thought of bringing back standing.
It's partly about pricing but by no means all

That's a really good account of how things have changed.

 

[davud graham]

I sort of hope it does cause trouble and divide the fans , I will then be proved right over the motives and people behind SoS - a decisive bunch of trouble makers they are bubbling away in the background waiting for every opportunity to have a pop

How will that make you right about SOS? And why do you want there to betrouble between the fans? Don't talk shite
It's up to the individual if they want to walk out or not and I think I will probably walk out but that doesn't mean I'll be giving shit to people who don't.

 

[Spionkop69]

Was waiting for you to respond and knew it would be worth reading. Great post mate.

Anyway, onto me....

I'm not going to walk out tomorrow on 77 mins. I don't think it's the right way to do things, and I've seen plenty of pricks on Twitter and social media saying they are gonna kick off of people don't walk out... Scabs, etc.

It's shite. Who are you to tell anyone how to act? I will stay if I want, and leave if I want. I just don't like this division of the fanbase. I bet you I'll get called a wool at some point tomorrow. Despite being born in Liverpool, living here all my life and having a season ticket since I was 11.

Not going to be nice tomorrow. Are you going or is John?

I'm not going today. I've not been feeling that good all week and to be honest, the 450 mile round trip on ones own takes its toll on me at the mo.

Would I walk out on 77 mins? No, I'm not sure I would, I'd be happy to walk to the back of the stand and not buy anything for a period. People are right, we need to take action. We need to do something, but I've also seen people acting the twat on Twitter. I've been going to Liverpool games since 83. But my accent clearly shows me not to be Scouse. So not walking out could lead people to simple conclusions. Im not going to take someone telling me what to do and calling me a scab because I'm not conforming to their ideal lightly. I sincerely hope that people do not take it that far.

I think a better idea would have been to have a targeted boycott of all the food and drink outlets in the ground. Don't buy the products. You've already bought the ticket with our hard earned cash, so why give some of that up?

It's just so sad to see that we have the manager we need, we have the stadium we wanted but the lack of unity between the owners and the fans will surely fuck this up. All caused by greed.

I hate modern football.

 

[tony]

Our income will be at least £350 mil next season even without European football. The wage bill is approx £ 152 mil this season. We will probably have a nett spend of £40 to £50 in the transfer window next summer so where is the rest of the money going? I know we are "a business" but with 9,000 more people in the ground and a massive increase in the corporate side surely there is some room to cut prices to make them more affordable? After all what is the difference between £350 or £360 mil ( alright £10mil ), it won't make any difference the the playing side of things and even a small cut all round would be a massive pr win.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

How will that make you right about SOS? And why do you want there to betrouble between the fans? Don't talk shite
It's up to the individual if they want to walk out or not and I think I will probably walk out but that doesn't mean I'll be giving shit to people who don't.

Obviously I was talking shite, but I am right about SoS apparently , I read here earlier, those walking out are being encouraged to give the people who are staying some shit , I even think the word scab was mentioned - Which , correct me if I'm wrong is possibly apt given the previous Union history of some of the leading lights in SoS - I even recall from the Hicks Gillet days some of the agitators were actually blue-noses - there is no room for any of this political shite , or a bunch of malcontents telling other fans what to do or how they should think in football, I went through enough of that as a union member in the seventies- you either go support the team and enjoy your day out at the game or fucking stay at home and leave those who want to carry on to do it without the embarrassment of seeing fellow supporters make fools of themselves and the club

 

[Vlads Quiff]

Our income will be at least £350 mil next season even without European football. The wage bill is approx £ 152 mil this season. We will probably have a nett spend of £40 to £50 in the transfer window next summer so where is the rest of the money going? I know we are "a business" but with 9,000 more people in the ground and a massive increase in the corporate side surely there is some room to cut prices to make them more affordable? After all what is the difference between £350 or £360 mil ( alright £10mil ), it won't make any difference the the playing side of things and even a small cut all round would be a massive pr win.

We will probably have a nett spend of £40m-£50m next summer?? That's where your argument starts and stops - you , or me, have no idea what we will be spending in the summer- we also have the new stand to pay for- Do you think FSG have actually made any money out of LFC since they took us over? I don't, I think it's a money pit at the moment- they have stabilised us and put us on a sensible financial footing and if we ever sort it out on the pitch we can kick on to be a sting viable club- people have short memories we were on the edge of a big black financial abyss before Fenwsy came along, now it's boo-boo 200 of the best seats in the house are going to be £77.

 

[davud graham]

Obviously I was talking shite, but I am right about SoS apparently , I read here earlier, those walking out are being encouraged to give the people who are staying some shit , I even think the word scab was mentioned - Which , correct me if I'm wrong is possibly apt given the previous Union history of some of the leading lights in SoS - I even recall from the Hicks Gillet days some of the agitators were actually blue-noses - there is no room for any of this political shite , or a bunch of malcontents telling other fans what to do or how they should think in football, I went through enough of that as a union member in the seventies- you either go support the team and enjoy your day out at the game or fucking stay at home and leave those who want to carry on to do it without the embarrassment of seeing fellow supporters make fools of themselves and the club

I haven't seen anything from SOS that encourages people causing trouble or verbally attacking other fans for having a different viewpoint.
This seems to come mainly from social media and lets face it most of the people giving it charlie big spuds on twitter and facebook don't follow their threats though into real life. Twats will always be Twats wherever you find them.

As far as i'm aware the proposed walk out wasn't even started by SOS it's by Spion KOP 1906. They aren't telling people that they have to do this but merely suggesting that they can if they want to make some sort of statement.
And anyone who allows someone else to tell them how to think or is so easily influenced has bigger problems in life than ticket prices.
People are sensible enough to decide what to do for themselves. I can fully understand why anyone who's paid a fortune to travel to the match today would not want to walk out but with the greatest respect the protest isn't really about the fans who go every now and then but the people who go regularly or young lads who want to start going to the game regularly.
These people are being priced out and something needs to be done about it even if it's only a relatively trivial thing like missing 13 minutes of a football match. Anyone would think that these supporters groups are setting up picket lines or some kind of violent protest. It seems that you're just as keen to tell people what to do as the groups you suggest are doing likewise.
If I walk out (and I reckon I will) then I won't feel foolish at all but saddened that it's come to this.

 

[Gary25]

I think a lot depends on the fans BEFORE 77 minutes.

If they're fully behind the team, making a lot of noise & putting on a good show then the walk out on 77 shouldn't be portrayed as being negative against klopp or the team & probably wouldn't be.

I'm not looking forward to the possibility of their fans singing 'walk out' to YNWA when it happens at all though. Hopefully they'll see the bigger picture & applaud it, but I doubt it.

Sunderland fans will probably take the piss yes but at the end of the day they should be grateful this is walk.out is on the cards as it's in the interest of fans of all Clubs in the country. To be fair I've seen tweets from Arsenal and Newcastle fans etc praising it and saying at least SOS/Spion Kop have the balls to take action.

 

[Piedro]

I'm not going today. I've not been feeling that good all week and to be honest, the 450 mile round trip on ones own takes its toll on me at the mo.

Would I walk out on 77 mins? No, I'm not sure I would, I'd be happy to walk to the back of the stand and not buy anything for a period. People are right, we need to take action. We need to do something, but I've also seen people acting the twat on Twitter. I've been going to Liverpool games since 83. But my accent clearly shows me not to be Scouse. So not walking out could lead people to simple conclusions. Im not going to take someone telling me what to do and calling me a scab because I'm not conforming to their ideal lightly. I sincerely hope that people do not take it that far.

I think a better idea would have been to have a targeted boycott of all the food and drink outlets in the ground. Don't buy the products. You've already bought the ticket with our hard earned cash, so why give some of that up?

It's just so sad to see that we have the manager we need, we have the stadium we wanted but the lack of unity between the owners and the fans will surely fuck this up. All caused by greed.

I hate modern football.

Great post mate.

@sunny - I was just about to reply to you before I read this. John's idea above (well, actually my idea but he got there first!) regarding boycotting match day products is the way to go.

No one buy a drink, no one buy a hot dog, don't have a bet in the ground, don't buy a programme, don't go the club shop.... If everyone, or at least the vast majority did this for just one game, it'd fucking kill them, right in the pocket.

I'm just not comfortable with today. There is going to be trouble.

 

[Piedro]

I haven't seen anything from SOS that encourages people causing trouble or verbally attacking other fans for having a different viewpoint.
This seems to come mainly from social media and lets face it most of the people giving it charlie big spuds on twitter and facebook don't follow their threats though into real life. Twats will always be Twats wherever you find them.

As far as i'm aware the proposed walk out wasn't even started by SOS it's by Spion KOP 1906. They aren't telling people that they have to do this but merely suggesting that they can if they want to make some sort of statement.
And anyone who allows someone else to tell them how to think or is so easily influenced has bigger problems in life than ticket prices.
People are sensible enough to decide what to do for themselves. I can fully understand why anyone who's paid a fortune to travel to the match today would not want to walk out but with the greatest respect the protest isn't really about the fans who go every now and then but the people who go regularly or young lads who want to start going to the game regularly.
These people are being priced out and something needs to be done about it even if it's only a relatively trivial thing like missing 13 minutes of a football match. Anyone would think that these supporters groups are setting up picket lines or some kind of violent protest. It seems that you're just as keen to tell people what to do as the groups you suggest are doing likewise.
If I walk out (and I reckon I will) then I won't feel foolish at all but saddened that it's come to this.

A lot of what I'm seeing on Twitter is this phrase, and I don't like it:

"If you don't walk out on 77 then YOU are part of the problem"

I don't like that. Don't tell me what to do.

Also a fair few knobheads stating that "anyof these wool blerts who don't walk out on 77 are getting dragged out with me"

Nice. It's just fucking ridiculous. I really hope there isn't any trouble.

 

[tony]

[We will probably have a nett spend of £40m-£50m next summer?? That's where your argument starts and stops - you , or me, have no idea what we will be spending in the summer- Thats why I said probably, but do you think we will spend more?

we also have the new stand to pay for- The new stand is costing £75 mil which will be amortised over several years no doubt, naming rights will contribute to this.Do you think FSG have actually made any money out of LFC since they took us over? I don't, Yes, they are investing in their "asset" which has appreciated massively in value since their ownership so in paper terms they are doing very nicely thanks
I think it's a money pit at the moment- they have stabilised us and put us on a sensible financial footing and if we ever sort it out on the pitch we can kick on to be a sting viable club- they have brought us back from the brink but if you think this was some sort of altruistic gesture rather than a long term plan to ultimately get some sort of return on their investment I think you are wrong
people have short memories we were on the edge of a big black financial abyss before Fenwsy came along, now it's boo-boo 200 of the best seats in the house are going to be £77. That ignores the fact that our turnover will be boosted by at least £60mil from the new tv deal next season. Imho they could easily afford a gesture to the fans, we are not just a money making machine we are a club that we all feel part of. Look at the atmosphere in the Bundesliga where tickets are so much cheaper

 

[Lippy]

How many seats are going to be £60, 70+ ? How many people can afford to pay £50 ? How many can afford to take their kids and bring in the next generation of fans ? Where were all the day trippers against Reading years ago when we were shite and you couldn't give tickets away for free ? It's easy to say boo hoo when it's affordable for you.

 

[davud graham]

A lot of what I'm seeing on Twitter is this phrase, and I don't like it:

"If you don't walk out on 77 then YOU are part of the problem"

I don't like that. Don't tell me what to do.

Also a fair few knobheads stating that "anyof these wool blerts who don't walk out on 77 are getting dragged out with me"

Nice. It's just fucking ridiculous. I really hope there isn't any trouble.

But that doesn't mean it's going to happen does it? People on twitter can talk shite and vent their frustrations without anyone checking that they followed through with their bravado. You might get some people acting the twat at the match about it but i can't see wholseale arguments starting up.
You're right in not accepting other people telling you what to do. Ignore them then. Problem solved.
I don't see why you're arsed about what someone else says on twitter.

 

[Lippy]

I'll be walking out but the I'll fully respect those that don't.

 

[Lippy]

Great post mate.

@sunny - I was just about to reply to you before I read this. John's idea above (well, actually my idea but he got there first!) regarding boycotting match day products is the way to go.

No one buy a drink, no one buy a hot dog, don't have a bet in the ground, don't buy a programme, don't go the club shop.... If everyone, or at least the vast majority did this for just one game, it'd fucking kill them, right in the pocket.

I'm just not comfortable with today. There is going to be trouble.

I don't think there will be trouble meself mate. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions IMO.

 

[Piedro]

But that doesn't mean it's going to happen does it? People on twitter can talk shite and vent their frustrations without anyone checking that they followed through with their bravado. You might get some people acting the twat at the match about it but i can't see wholseale arguments starting up.
You're right in not accepting other people telling you what to do. Ignore them then. Problem solved.
I don't see why you're arsed about what someone else says on twitter.

Yeah of course not mate but I just think it will be very tense and it only takes a spark to ignite something.

Do us a favour and just let us all know after the game your opinions on how it went. Would be interesting to hear different perspectives on things.

I assume you sit in the Kop yeah?

I'll do the same from my seat in the centenary.

 

[Piedro]

I'll be walking out but the I'll fully respect those that don't.

Spot on Sundog

 

[Piedro]

I don't think there will be trouble meself mate. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions IMO.

Same with you mate, let us know how many walk out by you, and how it goes.

Cheers

 

[Vlads Quiff]

Great post mate.

@sunny - I was just about to reply to you before I read this. John's idea above (well, actually my idea but he got there first!) regarding boycotting match day products is the way to go.

No one buy a drink, no one buy a hot dog, don't have a bet in the ground, don't buy a programme, don't go the club shop.... If everyone, or at least the vast majority did this for just one game, it'd fucking kill them, right in the pocket.

I'm just not comfortable with today. There is going to be trouble.

and that would be a far better and more logical way of going about it

 

[Lippy]

Yeah of course not mate but I just think it will be very tense and it only takes a spark to ignite something.

Do us a favour and just let us all know after the game your opinions on how it went. Would be interesting to hear different perspectives on things.

I assume you sit in the Kop yeah?

I'll do the same from my seat in the centenary.

You upper or lower ? I can't even fit in the seats in the lower. imagine paying through the nose for that privilege ? I am special needs though

 

[Lippy]

Not buying a hot dog just isn't a visible protest. Maybe no flags but I hated that. It's more than just ticket prices IMO. All these ticketing spot checks. Fellas getting thrown out with kids 80 minutes into a game for using a mates tickets which are then confiscated. All the flag registration shite. If you've got a members card buy a ticket, can't go and then pass it to a mate and let the club know you lose your credit for that game. Theyre treating fans like shite. And if we are consumers then your product is fucking faulty

 

[Vlads Quiff]

[We will probably have a nett spend of £40m-£50m next summer?? That's where your argument starts and stops - you , or me, have no idea what we will be spending in the summer- Thats why I said probably, but do you think we will spend more?

we also have the new stand to pay for- The new stand is costing £75 mil which will be amortised over several years no doubt, naming rights will contribute to this.Do you think FSG have actually made any money out of LFC since they took us over? I don't, Yes, they are investing in their "asset" which has appreciated massively in value since their ownership so in paper terms they are doing very nicely thanks
I think it's a money pit at the moment- they have stabilised us and put us on a sensible financial footing and if we ever sort it out on the pitch we can kick on to be a sting viable club- they have brought us back from the brink but if you think this was some sort of altruistic gesture rather than a long term plan to ultimately get some sort of return on their investment I think you are wrong
people have short memories we were on the edge of a big black financial abyss before Fenwsy came along, now it's boo-boo 200 of the best seats in the house are going to be £77. That ignores the fact that our turnover will be boosted by at least £60mil from the new tv deal next season. Imho they could easily afford a gesture to the fans, we are not just a money making machine we are a club that we all feel part of. Look at the atmosphere in the Bundesliga where tickets are so much cheaper

Of course they don't have any altruistic motives they are businessmen and this is a business but in the end we both have the same goal, albeit for different reasons, and that is to see Liverpool a successful club.
I just feel at the moment we are on the cusp of falling one way or the other and if we go for the club as a historical and social entity rather than maximising the opportunities we will indeed be consigned to permanent mediocrity even going the other way with more expensive tickets it's going to be fucking tough competing

 

[davud graham]

Yeah of course not mate but I just think it will be very tense and it only takes a spark to ignite something.

Do us a favour and just let us all know after the game your opinions on how it went. Would be interesting to hear different perspectives on things.

I assume you sit in the Kop yeah?

I'll do the same from my seat in the centenary.

I will do and yes I'm on the kop row 51 block 205

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

None of the supporter groups are advocating forceful action. Those are just internet warrior blerts mouthing off. I think the vast majority of supporters aren't thick Neanderthal dullards and will quickly tell anyone causing grief to others to wind their neck in even if they support the walkout themselves.

On a side note it's a bit rich of the club to waste millions on rubbish, basically incompetence, and then expect the supporters to foot the bill for the muck on the pitch and their shiny new stand which will end up empty anyway if they don't start playing good football and winning things.

 

[Piedro]

You upper or lower ? I can't even fit in the seats in the lower. imagine paying through the nose for that privilege ? I am special needs though

Lower mate. You've got fucking no chance. I'm 6 foot and I struggle to sit there!

The old wooden seats were boss before they re-did that stand. It's cramped as fuck now.

 

[davud graham]

Of course they don't have any altruistic motives they are businessmen and this is a business but in the end we both have the same goal, albeit for different reasons, and that is to see Liverpool a successful club.
I just feel at the moment we are on the cusp of falling one way or the other and if we go for the club as a historical and social entity rather than maximising the opportunities we will indeed be consigned to permanent mediocrity even going the other way with more expensive tickets it's going to be fucking tough competing

I know what you mean with regards to competing financially but 2 million or even 10-15 million a year isn't going to bridge the gap between us and the teams we're competing against. That needs to come from managing the resources we do have better than we already do.
Buying the right players and not wasting so much money on garbage like we have done for years.
The club only exploits the fans through ticket prices as there are more waiting in the wings if someone stops going.