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If they did, I didn't hear it. "You greedy bastards, enough is enough" was as offensive as it got
They were singing it outside the ground
Was always gonna be a weird atmosphere yesterday though mate. As sad as this might sound I got a bit chocked just hearing YNWA being belted out around 75 minutes as people were getting ready to walk. There's loads of pics of fans walking and there's loads of older fans amongst them..like in their 50s, 60s, 70s, so this isn't all about young angry local lads ready to take on the world.
Yes. Go on the echo website and see the fans outside the Kop after the walkout. There is a video on there.
Quiffed
I hope this all fizzles out, otherwise I doubt it's going to end well, things like this start with good intentions and then the divvys take over
"That Fenway Sports Group are looking to profit even further from supporters just months after appointing Jurgen Klopp, a manager who has strived to foster a belief within the fanbase, is remarkable.
This further separates the club and its supporters, and unfortunately, Klopp and his players find themselves caught in the middle.
For Klopp, this is nothing new, as supporters at his former club, Borussia Dortmund, staged a similar protest to ticket pricing in 2012.
After joining supporters of other Bundesliga clubs in a walkout boycott in 2010, in reaction to prices breaching €20, the travelling Yellow Wall followed suit in 2012 during Dortmund’s away clash with Hamburg, whose cheapest seats were priced at €40.
While ticket prices in the Bundesliga are relatively cheap compared to the parasitic, consumer-driven Premier League, this proved to be an effective protest"
You do have to wonder what Klopp will make of all this?
This further separates the club and its supporters, and unfortunately, Klopp and his players find themselves caught in the middle.
For Klopp, this is nothing new, as supporters at his former club, Borussia Dortmund, staged a similar protest to ticket pricing in 2012.
After joining supporters of other Bundesliga clubs in a walkout boycott in 2010, in reaction to prices breaching €20, the travelling Yellow Wall followed suit in 2012 during Dortmund’s away clash with Hamburg, whose cheapest seats were priced at €40.
While ticket prices in the Bundesliga are relatively cheap compared to the parasitic, consumer-driven Premier League, this proved to be an effective protest"
You do have to wonder what Klopp will make of all this?
"Fuck, not again"?
Senior Liverpool management? -That's Ian Ayre presumably.
It's obviously a massive PR fuck up and shite communication - How long is Ayre going to get away with being a massive useless twat on so many levels ?
Well he does sit on God's shoulders
I said earlier on in this thread that I didn't really mind a small proportion of match tickets being "£100" for the occasional day-tripper who doesn't mind spending that, and that's exactly what these £77 tickets are: limited to 200. Seems to be the case for the £1000 season ticket too.
There's more (500) tickets for £9 each too, so overall it does seem to be trying to offer a wider spectrum of choice, without locking out local regulars, and if overall nearly 65% of season tickets have been frozen (or marginally reduced) I'm not sure this protest is as much about some poorly chosen words (fans vs customers), bad PR and the feeling that reducing some tickets by about 10p a game was a slimy, piss-take way of saying prices had come down. Should have just frozen all of them rather than try and pull that one off.
There will always be irritation that "Category A" games - the BIG matches - fall into this top-tier pricing strategy for those high-end tickets, but again, that's not exactly a new phenomenon; supply and demand. It hasn't been handled at all well, that's for sure. People aren't stupid.
There's more (500) tickets for £9 each too, so overall it does seem to be trying to offer a wider spectrum of choice, without locking out local regulars, and if overall nearly 65% of season tickets have been frozen (or marginally reduced) I'm not sure this protest is as much about some poorly chosen words (fans vs customers), bad PR and the feeling that reducing some tickets by about 10p a game was a slimy, piss-take way of saying prices had come down. Should have just frozen all of them rather than try and pull that one off.
There will always be irritation that "Category A" games - the BIG matches - fall into this top-tier pricing strategy for those high-end tickets, but again, that's not exactly a new phenomenon; supply and demand. It hasn't been handled at all well, that's for sure. People aren't stupid.
I think you're missing the point, or at least a bit of the point.
The ticket revenue will go up by 2m next season based on these prices.
That's not because of extra seats. That's not because of extra corporate. That's normal seats.
Overall they've chosen to increase revenue by 2m, from the pockets of 'normal' fans in the season where they get a HUGE tv deal worth billions more.
The spread of the tickets & cost of a few tickets has been explained badly, but the club have/had an opportunity to at least keep prices level, or reduce some, whilst doing pr friendly moves like cheap kids tickets for some games or similar.
Instead they've chosen to take yet more cash.
Yeah, but it seemed that all the focus was on £77 and the £1,000 season ticket, or whatever it is.
It's important to distinguish intellectually between what looks dramatic for you as an activist and what is the fastest and most effective way to pressure someone into a change. They rarely are the same. The club has established, supposedly, an official channel for fans to communicate directly with the owners. That has to be used and, if it doesn't work, it has to be quickly and completely exposed as being ineffective. Undermine the PR from within, don't bypass it. Then the other campaigns can start. Otherwise, the club can always depict you as a clique, a misguided, unrepresentative and ill-informed mob. The more you push, the more you fall into the stereotype your opponent has created for you. And the whole thing drags on wastefully and ineffectively. Always fight against the romantic inside of you if you're doing politics. It's not about you, it's about the issue. It's this that SOS and others signally fail to do. Look on RAWK - some of them clearly wish they'd been miners. They talk about Saturday as if they'd just come back from the Somme. It's all about them, not the cause. Politics isn't fun - it isn't a leisure experience. It requires cold, hard thinking. Not hotheaded and boozy self-indulgence. More Hume, less Rousseau.
You just get the feeling one or two Bellends will get involved and things will turn out nasty..
FWIW, it's clear that this has been building for a while. The ticket prices is the straw that broke the camels back.
The issue with the flags, ridiculously strict enforcement of members cards leading to people being thrown out of the match, arguments over official & non official coaches for away games, & a myriad of other small issues.
The main factor in all of them being the club saying they're talking to the fans about when in effect the talks are stage management in the main.
Unfortunately SOS are dealing with this like an old fashioned union, which even the most militant of union bosses now understand can only be done in conjunction with a modern pr strategy to run alongside it, & that the pr side can do even more if done effectively.
I hope this gets other fans doing the same tbh, cos all fans are sick of being gouged as tv rights money climbs each year. If they can get this to be mimicked across the league I think it could well have an effect. It's a big if though, although I know SOS do have some links with other supporters groups.
The issue with the flags, ridiculously strict enforcement of members cards leading to people being thrown out of the match, arguments over official & non official coaches for away games, & a myriad of other small issues.
The main factor in all of them being the club saying they're talking to the fans about when in effect the talks are stage management in the main.
Unfortunately SOS are dealing with this like an old fashioned union, which even the most militant of union bosses now understand can only be done in conjunction with a modern pr strategy to run alongside it, & that the pr side can do even more if done effectively.
I hope this gets other fans doing the same tbh, cos all fans are sick of being gouged as tv rights money climbs each year. If they can get this to be mimicked across the league I think it could well have an effect. It's a big if though, although I know SOS do have some links with other supporters groups.
That'll be the media, missing the point as per. Like Ian Ayre banging on about the child tickets, which as far as I can tell are only a couple of times a year on cat C games when bought with a full price adult ticket, the real argument seems to keep getting deflected.
Well the walkout was on 77 minutes. You can hardly blame the media for that.
I've some sympathy for SOS (and others) as when they try and engage the club behind the scenes alongside other supporters groups they are dismissed as naive amateurs but when they are a part of a protest against ticket prices then they are classed as militant troublemakers.
The truth may well be somewhere between the two but who else is speaking up on behalf of supporters nowadays?
Here's a link to their response to the latest ticket announcements from the club and it seems pretty fair minded to me
http://www.spiritofshankly.com/news/response-to-lfc-ticket-prices
As I've said before I'm not a member of SOS or any other supporters group though that doesn't mean I don't appreciate their efforts on my behalf.
It's also sad that supporters would have to plan positive PR Campaigns for what they see are fairer treatment of fans against the club that they support and that the club uses their far slicker PR machine and media contacts to belittle the concerns and complaints of fans as often as they currently are.
The truth may well be somewhere between the two but who else is speaking up on behalf of supporters nowadays?
Here's a link to their response to the latest ticket announcements from the club and it seems pretty fair minded to me
http://www.spiritofshankly.com/news/response-to-lfc-ticket-prices
As I've said before I'm not a member of SOS or any other supporters group though that doesn't mean I don't appreciate their efforts on my behalf.
It's also sad that supporters would have to plan positive PR Campaigns for what they see are fairer treatment of fans against the club that they support and that the club uses their far slicker PR machine and media contacts to belittle the concerns and complaints of fans as often as they currently are.
Ayre is gonna get sacked, yeah?
Please?
Pretty please?
Please?
Pretty please?
From what I've read Ayre hasn't done much wrong and had engaged wit the supporters groups quite a bit. By all accounts it was Henry and Werner who pushed ahead with the pricing strategy.
Yup. Ayre is FSG's mouthpiece effectively.
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