Like I said to Ken, fair point
This one is on Rodgers
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Like I said to Ken, fair point
Allen was injured and Lucas was injured. Which makes it even stranger that Hendo didnt start.
From all the player we're supposedly watching, there is a whole lot of attacking players and a few cbs.
We desperatly needto adress the balance of the first team and squad. If the answer is Iturra then we'll continue the same way we're now.
We should change back to 4-3-3 in our away games and get that extra midfielder in there. At least in games like yesterday, and Villa. So that we're not under pressure all the time or outnumbered.
Will be interesting to see if we've learned anything against Villa, if not, then I'll start to worry.
From all the player we're supposedly watching, there is a whole lot of attacking players and a few cbs.
We desperatly needto adress the balance of the first team and squad. If the answer is Iturra then we'll continue the same way we're now.
We should change back to 4-3-3 in our away games and get that extra midfielder in there. At least in games like yesterday, and Villa. So that we're not under pressure all the time or outnumbered.
Will be interesting to see if we've learned anything against Villa, if not, then I'll start to worry.
I think that's confusing this idea of having to have patience somewhat.
If you are concerned about mistakes and lessons not being learned, surely you have to look at the fact that we started making them in September - fine - but it's March now and we're still making them.
Why should the game against Aston Villa sway your opinion one way or another?
Because we'll be up againt a team that smashed 3 goals past us, and we were unable to cope with their 3-5-2. If Rodgers has learned anything we'll be set up diffrently in two weeks time.
I dont think we're making the same mistakes as in September as only 2 teams in the Premiership have taken more points than us since the start of the year and no one have scored more goals.
I get your point but at the same time its been a while since we made those mistakes imho.
We've solved the attacking bit this season, but now has to concentrate on the defensive issues. Most of them reappeared when Carra was missing and Lucas was injured.
Rodgers fucked it up yesterday with playng an injured Allen and for maybe being to cocky with his attacking tactical approach against a team pressing us that high up the pitch and cutting off our midfield.
Good post.
bingo. let's not play that formation away from home again.
So can we fire that Rodgers buffoon or what? We should have hired Sven ...
So, are you saying Rodger's get all the credit for the great win against Spurs but none of the criticism that his due for the team's abject performance yesterday?
It's okay to say something when you think the manager got it wrong and it doesn't mean you want him gone.
EXACTLY what I'm saying!!!
I'm not even blaming him for Allen. Every pundit in the game was sucking his dick when he was bossing it for Swansea... He's just gone shit. It's not necessarily anyone's fault but his own.
I thought that side looked good enough to beat Southampton when the teams came out. They just didn't play very well and Southampton did. I don't think its much deeper than that.
I don't like Rodgers, I think he's a smarmy bastard and I'd cross the street rather than talk to him but he seems to be an ok footy manager.
I thought that side looked good enough to beat Southampton when the teams came out. They just didn't play very well and Southampton did. I don't think its much deeper than that.
I don't like Rodgers, I think he's a smarmy bastard and I'd cross the street rather than talk to him but he seems to be an ok footy manager.
I think collectively the lot of them should apologise for the utter tripe served up. It was inevitable wasn't it? A timely reminder that we need a few more players and that some of the players we have got just aren't good enough.
At 3-1 he should have dragged a couple of the bellends off the pitch and given a few lads like Sterling a go.
Shite decision to play Allen, he's short on form, ability and confidence and playing in completely the wrong role. Poor decision, but Johnson, Skrtel, Agger and Gerrard should all hang their heads in shame at yesterday's performance, the lot of them were lazy, indecisive and and lacking in any heart that's deserving of the shirt. And that might be harsh on Gerrard because of past endeavors, but there you go. Watching him get the ball taken off him in the middle of the park and then looking around for someone else to blame while strolling back at walking pace while one of their players walked through the tatters of our defense was one of the worst things I've ever seen from him.
At 3-1 he should have dragged a couple of the bellends off the pitch and given a few lads like Sterling a go.
Shite decision to play Allen, he's short on form, ability and confidence and playing in completely the wrong role. Poor decision, but Johnson, Skrtel, Agger and Gerrard should all hang their heads in shame at yesterday's performance, the lot of them were lazy, indecisive and and lacking in any heart that's deserving of the shirt. And that might be harsh on Gerrard because of past endeavors, but there you go. Watching him get the ball taken off him in the middle of the park and then looking around for someone else to blame while strolling back at walking pace while one of their players walked through the tatters of our defense was one of the worst things I've ever seen from him.
The players are paid to perform.
They can actually do more to prevent things from the pitch by stepping up. All the managers fault? Fuck that. Who's fault was it that no one tackled there player as he ran from the half way line to our penalty box? The managers?
You can never absolve the players for their performances if they don't step up.
Too sensationalist by half for me.
The manager is paid to manage.
The manager was indeed at fault, the decision over Allen was the crux of the issue that more or less cost us the game, but the performances of some of the players was woeful and regardless of Allen, they collectively and individually made basic errors that cost us.
At the end of the day, Glen Johnson was having sleepy games and fucking up well before Rodgers got here, and Gerrard was already beginning to look half the player. That's not "squarely on the manager" as Rurik's sensationalism suggested.
Overall, poor decisions by Rodgers and poor performances by the majority of the team. Not good enough and I hope we learn from it fast.
At the end of the day, Glen Johnson was having sleepy games and fucking up well before Rodgers got here, and Gerrard was already beginning to look half the player. That's not "squarely on the manager" as Rurik's sensationalism suggested.
Overall, poor decisions by Rodgers and poor performances by the majority of the team. Not good enough and I hope we learn from it fast.
I don't think me saying that players should not be blamed for this loss is sensationalist on my part, I really don't. I think there are situations when players are at fault and then there are situations (like yesterday) when it's mostly the manager's fuck up. It's like in a war, sometimes it's victory hinges on the will and courage of the soldiers, but at other times the only thing that really matters is the generals' decisions and tactics. Stalingrad was a comprehensive and catastrophic defeat for the Germans, but nobody blames it on their soldiers being pussies. You get the point.
I can create the poll, but I think most people already said it's mostly the manager's fuck up, so what's the point?
I thought I'd just even out the platitudes.
I thought some were arguing his part in it and laying it on the players. The players are always gonna have a degree of culpability but I'm in agreement with the title of this thread.
I'm starting to have second thoughts on this and here's why. Turns out that on the same day we were getting our arse kicked by Southampton, Nuri Sahin scored 2 goals and set up another for Borussia in a 5:1 rout of Freiburg. What's that has to do with anything? I didn't watch that game, as I was too distraught after our defeat, but now I realized that Klopp used the exact same tactical switch as Rodgers: Sahin and Gundogan, two "soft," creative midfielders playing together for the first time ever as a central midfield pairing. They both played for the whole 90 minutes and were the only CMs on the pitch the whole time.
Freiburg is a physical team that likes pressing opponents, not unlike Southampton. Borussia started against them without a single defensive-minded player in midfield, same formation as us, just replace Gerrard and Allen with Sahin and Gundogan and our front 4 with Reus, Kuba, Gotze and Lewandowski. Their best defender was also missing through injury - 3rd choice CB Santana played instead of Hummels. In short, exactly the same kind of "madness" that we are skewering Rodgers for - but in that case, it worked! Not immediately, as Borussia conceded first, just like us, and equalized only on the 41 minute - but from then on it was all one-way traffic.
So maybe there was a method to Rodgers' madness? Of course he made a mistake with the selection - but at least now I can see what he was trying to do.
Freiburg is a physical team that likes pressing opponents, not unlike Southampton. Borussia started against them without a single defensive-minded player in midfield, same formation as us, just replace Gerrard and Allen with Sahin and Gundogan and our front 4 with Reus, Kuba, Gotze and Lewandowski. Their best defender was also missing through injury - 3rd choice CB Santana played instead of Hummels. In short, exactly the same kind of "madness" that we are skewering Rodgers for - but in that case, it worked! Not immediately, as Borussia conceded first, just like us, and equalized only on the 41 minute - but from then on it was all one-way traffic.
So maybe there was a method to Rodgers' madness? Of course he made a mistake with the selection - but at least now I can see what he was trying to do.
Rodgers fucked up by starting an Injured Joe Allen. I thought he was supposed to be out for the rest of the season?
But the players have to accept responsibility too. It was fucking Southampton. And we made them look like Barcelona. Team selection aside, individual shit performances from more than half the players in the team were our ultimate downfall yesterday.
But the players have to accept responsibility too. It was fucking Southampton. And we made them look like Barcelona. Team selection aside, individual shit performances from more than half the players in the team were our ultimate downfall yesterday.
Yeah, too many players just didn't perform and it's hard to fathom when we had been on a great run, had almost a full week to prepare for this and we're playing a team that we should wipe the floor with.
One of the most disappointing days of the season imo and now we have to wait nearly two weeks for a reaction - there'd need to be one.
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