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The race

I assume you're talking about the fans here and yes that's true - especially on 6CM there will be a plethora of hand-wringing and woe is me and the s u n is falling. The players+manager? Nah. not a chance.
Fans absolutely, but I do have my worries over the team and the manager. Mainly the team.
 
I don't want to be that guy cos I still think we'll win it, but 2 things should concern us:

1. Someone posted a while ago that Arsenal's longest winning run is only 3. Well ours is only 1 better than that. Which leads on to
2. To some extent we're living off our first third of the season. After the win over City we had 34 from 13 games. That's on course for 99pts. Since then we've won 6 and drawn 5. That's 79 over a season. That's basically our middle third of the season. It's not title winning form. We need to step it up.
And Arsenal have Won 7 Drawn 4 (gaining 2 points on us) of their last 11 games. That's not title winning form either ! So I wonder who is going to win it then ?!
 
No I would rather we give ourselves the best possible chance to win the league.

Less other games in a stupidly congested fixture list gives us a better chance.

It’s not rocket science but then maybe I’m giving you too much credit.

The point would then be, Dreamie, that we don’t play our key players in domestic cup comps that often until we get to the latter stages when you’re

Remind me, how many extra games in the FA Cup did Alisson, Virgil, Ibou, Trent, Gravy, Curtis, Mac, Dom & Mo play this season?

We used the games to give game time to players not playing in the league in order to build their form and match fitness so that we HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF WINNING THE LESGUE.

Regardless, you’re also arguing that you’d accept us to collapsing mentally and losing the league rather than physically - which makes no sense because the outcome is the same and is very arguably much worse because it suggests that no amount of rest would make any difference.
 
The problem with Havertz is he doesn't play alongside Mane and Salah.

If he had two wide attackers scoring for fun, all his grunt work would be better appreciated. He also has some glaring misses that obscure the decent stats and overall contribution he makes.

Bobby also missed his fair few; I think the difference is that he also provided an occasional moment of absolute genius and flambouyance… Havertz doesn’t seem to have it in him.
 
Bobby also missed his fair few; I think the difference is that he also provided an occasional moment of absolute genius and flambouyance… Havertz doesn’t seem to have it in him.

Yes, he's more a model of Germanic machinery.

Bobby is an all-time great and played an essential role in some amazing teams. But we'd probably remember him differently if we'd required him to be the leader scorer. Fortunately we had a manager and transfer team who struck lightning and then were smart enough to realize what they had.
 
The point would then be, Dreamie, that we don’t play our key players in domestic cup comps that often until we get to the latter stages when you’re

Remind me, how many extra games in the FA Cup did Alisson, Virgil, Ibou, Trent, Gravy, Curtis, Mac, Dom & Mo play this season?

We used the games to give game time to players not playing in the league in order to build their form and match fitness so that we HAVE A BETTER CHANCE OF WINNING THE LESGUE.

Regardless, you’re also arguing that you’d accept us to collapsing mentally and losing the league rather than physically - which makes no sense because the outcome is the same and is very arguably much worse because it suggests that no amount of rest would make any difference.
Cup games bring so much more to the table than just the 90 mins rest for senior players. You obviously can’t comprehend that so fair enough no point arguing it anymore.

As for your last point but myself and Peter H have explained so easily a 5 year old can understand. If you can’t then good luck to you. The point you are making is not what I said or meant but we both know you know that so stop being a cunt.
 
Cup games bring so much more to the table than just the 90 mins rest for senior players. You obviously can’t comprehend that so fair enough no point arguing it anymore.

As for your last point but myself and Peter H have explained so easily a 5 year old can understand. If you can’t then good luck to you. The point you are making is not what I said or meant but we both know you know that so stop being a cunt.

Name calling Dreamie - is that not you acting like a bit of a cunt.

Enlighten me as to what “so much more than 90 minutes rest for senior players” cup games bring.

You’re the one that said you rather have us collapse mentally than physically - Peter didn’t - they’re your words, no-one else’s.

Not my fault you said something stupid and I don’t see what’s outrageous about not “hoping” your team gets beat or not preferring mental collapse over physical collapse.

Yet in your weird head - I’m the cunt.
 
4 crucial points dropped now in stoppage time, could be 11 clear but we've had to settle for 7.

If this carries on much longer, this title could slip away from us whilst we're too busy daydreaming/sleepwalking before we wake up and realise it's too late.

Are we a poorly coached side or something? Why are we so god damn fucking boring? Why does it take us 100 passes before we get the ball fucking forward? Every first half is the exact same shit, like we can't be bothered to get out of 1st gear.......this to me, is a coaching issue.
 
Froggy in 'looking at the stars and predicting the outcome' shocker
Froggy's 'looking at the facts and not overreacting due to disappointment' logic.

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Liverpool can still be caught. History, however, tells us that it is pretty unlikely.

When the teams behind the league leaders have also played 24 games then the biggest deficit overhauled in the Premier League era was five points.

That was achieved just twice - by Manchester United in 2003 and Manchester City six years ago.

The biggest points gap that has been overturned after the leaders had played 24 games is nine points.

That was also achieved twice - Manchester United in 1996 and Arsenal in 1998 - but they had one and two games in hand respectively.

The Opta supercomputer has given Liverpool an 88.3% chance of winning the league, compared to just 11.6% for Arsenal.
 
Yes but statistically, when you're leading 2-1 in the 90th minute you also have an 88.3% chance of winning the game.

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Statistically when you're leading in the 97th minute you'd already have won the game because the whistle will have blown! 😛
 
There is nothing to worry about - whenever we drop points and give Arsenal a glimmer of hope, they go & drop points themselves. Its traditional.

Leicester will be be beneficiaries
 
I'm just saying we've been stuttering for some time now. Even if we carry on like that then yes we'll probably still win it, but you'd have to be a fool to deny we'd be vulnerable.

It was only last week were we probably played our best game of the season.
 
I said it in this thread at some point; we play in 2nd gear to conserve to hope that's enough. If we concede or it gets to around 60th min we bump up to 3rd and hopefully that's enough. More often than not it is, but there's games where we need to be starting in third and pulling away in the first half of games. Last night we barely tried until the 2nd half.

I understand the conservation of energy; but last night doesn't happen if we play like it mattered
 
Our experiment of Diaz at 9 is continuing to fail. Our attacking shape and coherence is awful. We really need Jota or Nunez to come back and be sharp straight away.

We need Wolves to set the tone for the rest of this run.
 
If Diaz continues at the 9, I'll never understand why. We consistently look worse with him there, ins spite of Dreamy saying we always win when he plays there
 
It's okay, we're 11 points in front... 9... 7...

We've been here before.

I'm surprised some are so blasé.

"Champions find a way when they're not playing well"... sure... but not week in, week out.

I’d take being 7 points ahead with 14 games to go any day of the week. 9 would have been fantastic but anyone thinking we will play well and win in every game this season needs a reality check.

There will be loads of twists and turns before the end of the season and we will also play shit in a few of those games.
 
I’d take being 7 points ahead with 14 games to go any day of the week. 9 would have been fantastic but anyone thinking we will play well and win in every game this season needs a reality check.

There will be loads of twists and turns before the end of the season and we will also play shit in a few of those games.

As would all of us, what's your point?

The purpose of the forum is to discuss stuff. We can all see that the team - great as it's been this season - is creaking a little bit. We're drawing attention to that.

If you think everything is great, nothing to worry about, then say so but the snidey comments are unnecessary and tiresome in my opinion.
 
.Before last nights game, I would have bet it was going to be draw... We will draw games as will the Arse. The big advantage we have is they are almost toothless upfront. If Odreguard goes out injured, they are out
 
Obviously we're in a hugely strong position, but equally we're dropping stupid points for no reason. If we were switched on after the 90th we would be at least 4 points better off (Newcastle and Everton)

There's no issue highlighting that we're starting to struggle more

We need someone to consistently step up to get it over the line sooner rather than later
 
As would all of us, what's your point?

The purpose of the forum is to discuss stuff. We can all see that the team - great as it's been this season - is creaking a little bit. We're drawing attention to that.

If you think everything is great, nothing to worry about, then say so but the snidey comments are unnecessary and tiresome in my opinion.

There isn’t a snidey comment in that post whatsoever. You’re accusing others of being blasé because they don’t share your opinion, so to explain the purpose of the forum is unnecessary and snidey in my opinion.
 
I’d take being 7 points ahead with 14 games to go any day of the week. 9 would have been fantastic but anyone thinking we will play well and win in every game this season needs a reality check.

There will be loads of twists and turns before the end of the season and we will also play shit in a few of those games.
Not sure what your point is here Hansern, people seem to be content with diminishing points, like we haven't been here and ultimately suffered for it time and time again. Froggy will be saying the same when we're one point ahead, "I'll take that with 10 games to go". It's a stupid mentality.

I was shot down earlier in the week for saying how crucial this game was, all the usual lot started telling me what the predicted results were and how we were never going to drop points against a shit Everton team, probably the same ones who said we wouldn't drop points against a shit United team, probably the same ones will naively think City are there for the taking too. You lot never learn. Just roll out the stats and expected results on paper, and life's a peach.
 
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