The incredible Xabi Alonso thread 2009.
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Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33578.msg905841#msg905841 date=1247604471]
with we've agreed to sell for 26m then frankly we are no better off without parry.
oh, it will also show the world real madrid can fuck us when ever they want to.
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To be fair, are we being fucked over selling a 27 year old player we valued 13-15m last season for 26m?
I'm not sure.
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Is the right answer, no-one else would have paid that much IMO.
[/quote]I agree totally. Some of the figures bounced about have been cloud fucking cuckoo land. And theyve steadily risen all summer to (last check) £50m.
£27m is very good money. Thats up there with the top 20 transfer fees ever paid. And its for a non match winning player. It will do.
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33578.msg905841#msg905841 date=1247604471]
with we've agreed to sell for 26m then frankly we are no better off without parry.
oh, it will also show the world real madrid can fuck us when ever they want to.
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To be fair, are we being fucked over selling a 27 year old player we valued 13-15m last season for 26m?
I'm not sure.
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Is the right answer, no-one else would have paid that much IMO.
[/quote]I agree totally. Some of the figures bounced about have been cloud fucking cuckoo land. And theyve steadily risen all summer to (last check) £50m.
£27m is very good money. Thats up there with the top 20 transfer fees ever paid. And its for a non match winning player. It will do.
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=33578.msg905817#msg905817 date=1247601472]
Some dodgy sources are saying the deal is agreed. £26m, Xabi will move on the 19th of July.
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What kind of sources Ross? I'm open to PM's. haha.
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None that i'd rely on to be honest Dave. It's some dodgy site where three lads claiming to work for LFC spout shit. The last rumour was that we were close to agreeing a 40m pound deal for Silva and Villa.
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=33578.msg905817#msg905817 date=1247601472]
Some dodgy sources are saying the deal is agreed. £26m, Xabi will move on the 19th of July.
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What kind of sources Ross? I'm open to PM's. haha.
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None that i'd rely on to be honest Dave. It's some dodgy site where three lads claiming to work for LFC spout shit. The last rumour was that we were close to agreeing a 40m pound deal for Silva and Villa.
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
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[quote author=ILD link=topic=33578.msg905850#msg905850 date=1247605548]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=33578.msg905817#msg905817 date=1247601472]
Some dodgy sources are saying the deal is agreed. £26m, Xabi will move on the 19th of July.
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What kind of sources Ross? I'm open to PM's. haha.
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None that i'd rely on to be honest Dave. It's some dodgy site where three lads claiming to work for LFC spout shit. The last rumour was that we were close to agreeing a 40m pound deal for Silva and Villa.
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Ah no hassle.
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[quote author=ILD link=topic=33578.msg905850#msg905850 date=1247605548]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=33578.msg905817#msg905817 date=1247601472]
Some dodgy sources are saying the deal is agreed. £26m, Xabi will move on the 19th of July.
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What kind of sources Ross? I'm open to PM's. haha.
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None that i'd rely on to be honest Dave. It's some dodgy site where three lads claiming to work for LFC spout shit. The last rumour was that we were close to agreeing a 40m pound deal for Silva and Villa.
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Ah no hassle.
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
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[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=33578.msg905473#msg905473 date=1247567716]
Let him rot in the reserves if they dont pay the sum we want.
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Haha.
Rafa - "Xabi, Real don't want to pay the £35m we are asking for you"
Xabi - "Ok boss doesn't matter, I'll stay here then"
Rafa - "You'll fucking rot in the reserves fucker!"
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Rafa is a vindictive manager at times ... I can see him screwing Xabi's world cup aspirations next year if he ends up staying ...
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Why? Because he wouldn't put up with Djib's petulant attitude? Because he didn't want to do the same with Pennant, who if he had played would have triggered add-on bonuses? Because he wanted to fuck off (rightly so at the time) Xabi after 2 years of mediocrity? That sounds like acting in the best intrests of the team to me.
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[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=33578.msg905473#msg905473 date=1247567716]
Let him rot in the reserves if they dont pay the sum we want.
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Haha.
Rafa - "Xabi, Real don't want to pay the £35m we are asking for you"
Xabi - "Ok boss doesn't matter, I'll stay here then"
Rafa - "You'll fucking rot in the reserves fucker!"
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Rafa is a vindictive manager at times ... I can see him screwing Xabi's world cup aspirations next year if he ends up staying ...
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Why? Because he wouldn't put up with Djib's petulant attitude? Because he didn't want to do the same with Pennant, who if he had played would have triggered add-on bonuses? Because he wanted to fuck off (rightly so at the time) Xabi after 2 years of mediocrity? That sounds like acting in the best intrests of the team to me.
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
yea alonso is shit and he's spent this season playing above his level.
its not like anyone is in for our better midfielder like lucas is it.
ffs alonso is one of the best midfielders in the world and will be a huge loss. and if we end up selling him for 26 million than rafa needs a talking to.
yea alonso is shit and he's spent this season playing above his level.
its not like anyone is in for our better midfielder like lucas is it.
ffs alonso is one of the best midfielders in the world and will be a huge loss. and if we end up selling him for 26 million than rafa needs a talking to.
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
Would you be happy if we paid 26 mill for a player like Alonso?
I'm not sure I would.
Would you be happy if we paid 26 mill for a player like Alonso?
I'm not sure I would.
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=33578.msg905880#msg905880 date=1247608684]
haha it's gone from 2 years of below his best, to two years of average play, to two years of mediocrity.
Wonderful.
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I've always said that, don't know what other have. Also I mean it in the most literal sense of the word.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=33578.msg905880#msg905880 date=1247608684]
haha it's gone from 2 years of below his best, to two years of average play, to two years of mediocrity.
Wonderful.
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I've always said that, don't know what other have. Also I mean it in the most literal sense of the word.
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
[quote author=Mors link=topic=33578.msg905886#msg905886 date=1247610210]
I'd be over the moon with 26mill for Xabi. I'd have thought you could buy some brilliant, match-winner midfielders/forwards for that.
If you add 9mill you get David Villa!
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except Valencia want £45 million for David Villa, you idiot.
[quote author=Mors link=topic=33578.msg905886#msg905886 date=1247610210]
I'd be over the moon with 26mill for Xabi. I'd have thought you could buy some brilliant, match-winner midfielders/forwards for that.
If you add 9mill you get David Villa!
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except Valencia want £45 million for David Villa, you idiot.
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
26M isn't very good and that isn't based on cloud cuckoo land valuations either. It's based on valuations of other midfielders, the state of the market right now and the fact that the interested club has just smashed the transfer record to pieces twice already this summer.
26M isn't very good and that isn't based on cloud cuckoo land valuations either. It's based on valuations of other midfielders, the state of the market right now and the fact that the interested club has just smashed the transfer record to pieces twice already this summer.
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
why's everyone so ready to accept £26m cos of some probably bullshit rumour?
i'm not saying it's a bad deal per se, but it is compared to £32m, which is the figure touted in the times and guardian.
why's everyone so ready to accept £26m cos of some probably bullshit rumour?
i'm not saying it's a bad deal per se, but it is compared to £32m, which is the figure touted in the times and guardian.
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
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[quote author=Mors link=topic=33578.msg905886#msg905886 date=1247610210]
I'd be over the moon with 26mill for Xabi. I'd have thought you could buy some brilliant, match-winner midfielders/forwards for that.
If you add 9mill you get David Villa!
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except Valencia want £45 million for David Villa, you idiot.
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Calm the fuck down headwand. How the fuck do you know what they want?
Fuck your shitty little stories form Goal or whatever, because you don't.
So shut the fuck up yeah?
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[quote author=Mors link=topic=33578.msg905886#msg905886 date=1247610210]
I'd be over the moon with 26mill for Xabi. I'd have thought you could buy some brilliant, match-winner midfielders/forwards for that.
If you add 9mill you get David Villa!
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except Valencia want £45 million for David Villa, you idiot.
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Calm the fuck down headwand. How the fuck do you know what they want?
Fuck your shitty little stories form Goal or whatever, because you don't.
So shut the fuck up yeah?
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=33578.msg905891#msg905891 date=1247610979]
[quote author=Mors link=topic=33578.msg905886#msg905886 date=1247610210]
I'd be over the moon with 26mill for Xabi. I'd have thought you could buy some brilliant, match-winner midfielders/forwards for that.
If you add 9mill you get David Villa!
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except Valencia want £45 million for David Villa, you idiot.
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Errr had that on their good advice have you wand?
Last I heard was they wanted the 35mill upfront like the Ronaldo deal, so Real backed out.
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[quote author=Mors link=topic=33578.msg905886#msg905886 date=1247610210]
I'd be over the moon with 26mill for Xabi. I'd have thought you could buy some brilliant, match-winner midfielders/forwards for that.
If you add 9mill you get David Villa!
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except Valencia want £45 million for David Villa, you idiot.
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Errr had that on their good advice have you wand?
Last I heard was they wanted the 35mill upfront like the Ronaldo deal, so Real backed out.
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
Unless Rafa wants this resolved quickly to get a replacement, I'd be very surprised if we've jumped in already and said yes to £26m for one of the key players in a side that could win us the league next season.
£21m would have been a bad price, so why is £26m fine, we should effin' drag ur heels in good and proper. Time for Rafa and co to *gulp* take a leaf out of MONs book.
Unless Rafa wants this resolved quickly to get a replacement, I'd be very surprised if we've jumped in already and said yes to £26m for one of the key players in a side that could win us the league next season.
£21m would have been a bad price, so why is £26m fine, we should effin' drag ur heels in good and proper. Time for Rafa and co to *gulp* take a leaf out of MONs book.
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
I haven't felt this bad or such a keen sense of betrayal since Big Bird defected to China in the late 80s.
[flash=400,400]http://www.youtube.com/v/RL4ulo04h4g[/flash]
He's in Guandong province now apparently (where SARS started and they STILL eat civet cats, which I don't reckon are cats to be honest but that doesn't make it right), living in a cramped state apartment building with tiny windows where he has to crouch all the time and his legs stick out of his Chinese sized bed.
Don't feel sorry for him though, he brought it all on himself.
Looking back on classic episodes of Sesame Street now, I can set aside my feelings of hurt and can appreciate how good he was in his prime. He wasn't great every season of course, but when he was good, he was very good indeed. I can see what motivated him to leave and head East too, the opportunity to have his own show and be adored by billions of Chinese kids but that didn't make it hurt any less at the time.
I haven't felt this bad or such a keen sense of betrayal since Big Bird defected to China in the late 80s.
[flash=400,400]http://www.youtube.com/v/RL4ulo04h4g[/flash]
He's in Guandong province now apparently (where SARS started and they STILL eat civet cats, which I don't reckon are cats to be honest but that doesn't make it right), living in a cramped state apartment building with tiny windows where he has to crouch all the time and his legs stick out of his Chinese sized bed.
Don't feel sorry for him though, he brought it all on himself.
Looking back on classic episodes of Sesame Street now, I can set aside my feelings of hurt and can appreciate how good he was in his prime. He wasn't great every season of course, but when he was good, he was very good indeed. I can see what motivated him to leave and head East too, the opportunity to have his own show and be adored by billions of Chinese kids but that didn't make it hurt any less at the time.
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
[quote author=keniget link=topic=33578.msg905892#msg905892 date=1247611195]
26M isn't very good and that isn't based on cloud cuckoo land valuations either. It's based on valuations of other midfielders, the state of the market right now and the fact that the interested club has just smashed the transfer record to pieces twice already this summer.
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Any replacement will cost a minimum of 20 million. 26 million will only help us buy a replacement( who may not turn out to be as good as Alonso) and a couple of kids. I hope Rafa does not budget until Madrid makes a bid of 30-35 million and before a specific deadline. As we need time to find the replacement.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=33578.msg905892#msg905892 date=1247611195]
26M isn't very good and that isn't based on cloud cuckoo land valuations either. It's based on valuations of other midfielders, the state of the market right now and the fact that the interested club has just smashed the transfer record to pieces twice already this summer.
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Any replacement will cost a minimum of 20 million. 26 million will only help us buy a replacement( who may not turn out to be as good as Alonso) and a couple of kids. I hope Rafa does not budget until Madrid makes a bid of 30-35 million and before a specific deadline. As we need time to find the replacement.
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
26M is about what he is worth to them, he is worth more to us though.... we may well be able to replace him with a suitable player but we will have lost out on continuity and also their will be no guarantees the new player would work after we've just ripped up our midfield.
26M may well be market price but we need more, just like the mancs screwed them for 80M we should get a premium also.
26M is about what he is worth to them, he is worth more to us though.... we may well be able to replace him with a suitable player but we will have lost out on continuity and also their will be no guarantees the new player would work after we've just ripped up our midfield.
26M may well be market price but we need more, just like the mancs screwed them for 80M we should get a premium also.
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33578.msg905841#msg905841 date=1247604471]
with we've agreed to sell for 26m then frankly we are no better off without parry.
oh, it will also show the world real madrid can fuck us when ever they want to.
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To be fair, are we being fucked over selling a 27 year old player we valued 13-15m last season for 26m?
I'm not sure.
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Is the right answer, no-one else would have paid that much IMO.
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That's probably true, but with 3 years on his contract and a World Cup looming, we'd NEVER have a better opportunity to extract more from those cunts.
HOw much is it going to cost us to replace him?
Liverpool may be used to bending over for Real Madrid; who's going to bend over for Liverpool?
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33578.msg905841#msg905841 date=1247604471]
with we've agreed to sell for 26m then frankly we are no better off without parry.
oh, it will also show the world real madrid can fuck us when ever they want to.
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To be fair, are we being fucked over selling a 27 year old player we valued 13-15m last season for 26m?
I'm not sure.
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Is the right answer, no-one else would have paid that much IMO.
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That's probably true, but with 3 years on his contract and a World Cup looming, we'd NEVER have a better opportunity to extract more from those cunts.
HOw much is it going to cost us to replace him?
Liverpool may be used to bending over for Real Madrid; who's going to bend over for Liverpool?
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=33578.msg905880#msg905880 date=1247608684]
haha it's gone from 2 years of below his best, to two years of average play, to two years of mediocrity.
Wonderful.
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What we need is an International Standard for Mediocrity so we don't need to keep seeing people arguing about the inherent ambiguities of language.
Ranging from say Goodyesque to Gerrardesque by way of Lampardesque and Goochesque.
Would that work?
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=33578.msg905880#msg905880 date=1247608684]
haha it's gone from 2 years of below his best, to two years of average play, to two years of mediocrity.
Wonderful.
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What we need is an International Standard for Mediocrity so we don't need to keep seeing people arguing about the inherent ambiguities of language.
Ranging from say Goodyesque to Gerrardesque by way of Lampardesque and Goochesque.
Would that work?
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
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[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=33578.msg905776#msg905776 date=1247597071]
Why meld 'Xabi's replacement' with the 'Xabi leaving' thread ? 8 posts in 10 mins suggest it's worthy of it's own thread and all this 'keep it in one place' gets confusing with so many debates on different issues in the one thread.
It's not like 6CM has too many threads ! The first page has remained almost the same for a week !
Whatever *shrugs shoulders*
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It was me. I'm a cunt.
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Well....... :-*
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[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=33578.msg905776#msg905776 date=1247597071]
Why meld 'Xabi's replacement' with the 'Xabi leaving' thread ? 8 posts in 10 mins suggest it's worthy of it's own thread and all this 'keep it in one place' gets confusing with so many debates on different issues in the one thread.
It's not like 6CM has too many threads ! The first page has remained almost the same for a week !
Whatever *shrugs shoulders*
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It was me. I'm a cunt.
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Well....... :-*
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
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[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=33578.msg905227#msg905227 date=1247515763]
Not when he's under contract for another three seasons, no.
It's the deal that he signed.
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Heh, it's the deal he signed?
We sold Sissoko after he signed a new five year deal. What about about that deal?
Alonso had four years left on his deal when Rafa tried to sell him last year. It was all okay to ignore the deal then, wasn't it?
We did this earlier on in the thread. Loyalty is a two way street. It's hypocritical in the extreme to state that loyalty only has to be maintained as long as it suits the club.
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People's circumstances change in life. Players are no different to anyone else. If you had a 5 year contract as an electrician working on an oil-rig and suddenly decided you had had enough would you not be entitled to resign and move elsewhere ? If the company decided they didn't need you would they have the right to dismiss you with reasonable compensation ?
In both cases the answer is Yes.
Clubs aren't loyal to players unless it suits them. Same goes for players, it's the way of the world not just football. Nothing wrong with Xabi deciding he wants to move on - we just have to deal with it, get a good price for him and buy in a great replacement - which is where our focus should be now.
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I've had to sign non-compete agreements with both of the companies that I've worked for in the past 10 years, Froggie.
So, no, I can't just quit and go work anywhere I want to. Unless my current employer allows me to do so.
Nor can Xabi.
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I have non compete agreements in all my staff's employment contracts - however in effect it's almost impossible to stop them leaving & acting as 'consultants' if they so wished. Non-compete clauses are not global so moving from the UK to Spain for example wouldn't apply.
Off topic 😉
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My point being that, at many jobs, including Xabi's there are signed agreements in place that remove an employees ability to simply say "Right, I've had enough of you lot, I'm off to a compeitior tomorrow morning and there's bugger all you can do about it...".
In my job, it's a non-compete.
In Xabi's, it's the 5 year contract he signed for Liverpool FC 2 years ago.
Liverpool don't HAVE to do anything they don't want to... That's my point.
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[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=33578.msg905227#msg905227 date=1247515763]
Not when he's under contract for another three seasons, no.
It's the deal that he signed.
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Heh, it's the deal he signed?
We sold Sissoko after he signed a new five year deal. What about about that deal?
Alonso had four years left on his deal when Rafa tried to sell him last year. It was all okay to ignore the deal then, wasn't it?
We did this earlier on in the thread. Loyalty is a two way street. It's hypocritical in the extreme to state that loyalty only has to be maintained as long as it suits the club.
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People's circumstances change in life. Players are no different to anyone else. If you had a 5 year contract as an electrician working on an oil-rig and suddenly decided you had had enough would you not be entitled to resign and move elsewhere ? If the company decided they didn't need you would they have the right to dismiss you with reasonable compensation ?
In both cases the answer is Yes.
Clubs aren't loyal to players unless it suits them. Same goes for players, it's the way of the world not just football. Nothing wrong with Xabi deciding he wants to move on - we just have to deal with it, get a good price for him and buy in a great replacement - which is where our focus should be now.
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I've had to sign non-compete agreements with both of the companies that I've worked for in the past 10 years, Froggie.
So, no, I can't just quit and go work anywhere I want to. Unless my current employer allows me to do so.
Nor can Xabi.
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I have non compete agreements in all my staff's employment contracts - however in effect it's almost impossible to stop them leaving & acting as 'consultants' if they so wished. Non-compete clauses are not global so moving from the UK to Spain for example wouldn't apply.
Off topic 😉
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My point being that, at many jobs, including Xabi's there are signed agreements in place that remove an employees ability to simply say "Right, I've had enough of you lot, I'm off to a compeitior tomorrow morning and there's bugger all you can do about it...".
In my job, it's a non-compete.
In Xabi's, it's the 5 year contract he signed for Liverpool FC 2 years ago.
Liverpool don't HAVE to do anything they don't want to... That's my point.
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
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[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=33578.msg905473#msg905473 date=1247567716]
Let him rot in the reserves if they dont pay the sum we want.
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Haha.
Rafa - "Xabi, Real don't want to pay the £35m we are asking for you"
Xabi - "Ok boss doesn't matter, I'll stay here then"
Rafa - "You'll fucking rot in the reserves fucker!"
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Rafa is a vindictive manager at times ... I can see him screwing Xabi's world cup aspirations next year if he ends up staying ...
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Why? Because he wouldn't put up with Djib's petulant attitude? Because he didn't want to do the same with Pennant, who if he had played would have triggered add-on bonuses? Because he wanted to fuck off (rightly so at the time) Xabi after 2 years of mediocrity? That sounds like acting in the best intrests of the team to me.
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How 'bout because he f#$!ed with the team's title challange to prove a point to Rick Parry? How 'bout because he f#$!ed Robbie Keane over to win an internal pissing contest?
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Let him rot in the reserves if they dont pay the sum we want.
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Haha.
Rafa - "Xabi, Real don't want to pay the £35m we are asking for you"
Xabi - "Ok boss doesn't matter, I'll stay here then"
Rafa - "You'll fucking rot in the reserves fucker!"
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Rafa is a vindictive manager at times ... I can see him screwing Xabi's world cup aspirations next year if he ends up staying ...
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Why? Because he wouldn't put up with Djib's petulant attitude? Because he didn't want to do the same with Pennant, who if he had played would have triggered add-on bonuses? Because he wanted to fuck off (rightly so at the time) Xabi after 2 years of mediocrity? That sounds like acting in the best intrests of the team to me.
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How 'bout because he f#$!ed with the team's title challange to prove a point to Rick Parry? How 'bout because he f#$!ed Robbie Keane over to win an internal pissing contest?
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=33578.msg905891#msg905891 date=1247610979]
[quote author=Mors link=topic=33578.msg905886#msg905886 date=1247610210]
I'd be over the moon with 26mill for Xabi. I'd have thought you could buy some brilliant, match-winner midfielders/forwards for that.
If you add 9mill you get David Villa!
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except Valencia want £45 million for David Villa, you idiot.
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You really need to stop calling other people names like "idiot", mate.
Really.
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[quote author=Mors link=topic=33578.msg905886#msg905886 date=1247610210]
I'd be over the moon with 26mill for Xabi. I'd have thought you could buy some brilliant, match-winner midfielders/forwards for that.
If you add 9mill you get David Villa!
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except Valencia want £45 million for David Villa, you idiot.
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You really need to stop calling other people names like "idiot", mate.
Really.
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=33578.msg905892#msg905892 date=1247611195]
26M isn't very good and that isn't based on cloud cuckoo land valuations either. It's based on valuations of other midfielders, the state of the market right now and the fact that the interested club has just smashed the transfer record to pieces twice already this summer.
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Any replacement will cost a minimum of 20 million. 26 million will only help us buy a replacement( who may not turn out to be as good as Alonso) and a couple of kids. I hope Rafa does not budget until Madrid makes a bid of 30-35 million and before a specific deadline. As we need time to find the replacement.
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I don't see 27M+ as a bad deal. Considering we were asking 18M for him last season. Weren't Roma asking 18M for Aquilani ? If so then buy him (or a any other damn good replacement) at anything below that and we've made 10M+ to add to our David Silva kitty. Would I take Sneijder / Aquilani / Defour and then have to the money to bring Silva in, for Xabi ? Damn right I would.
We only paid 10M for Xabi from Sociedad so a 17M+ profit is good going even if the market has rocketed skyward this year, and don't forget it's only 4 or 5 teams that can afford those stratospheric fees, no other team is anywhere near that level - would Juve pay 27M for him ? Not in our lifetime.
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=33578.msg905892#msg905892 date=1247611195]
26M isn't very good and that isn't based on cloud cuckoo land valuations either. It's based on valuations of other midfielders, the state of the market right now and the fact that the interested club has just smashed the transfer record to pieces twice already this summer.
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Any replacement will cost a minimum of 20 million. 26 million will only help us buy a replacement( who may not turn out to be as good as Alonso) and a couple of kids. I hope Rafa does not budget until Madrid makes a bid of 30-35 million and before a specific deadline. As we need time to find the replacement.
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I don't see 27M+ as a bad deal. Considering we were asking 18M for him last season. Weren't Roma asking 18M for Aquilani ? If so then buy him (or a any other damn good replacement) at anything below that and we've made 10M+ to add to our David Silva kitty. Would I take Sneijder / Aquilani / Defour and then have to the money to bring Silva in, for Xabi ? Damn right I would.
We only paid 10M for Xabi from Sociedad so a 17M+ profit is good going even if the market has rocketed skyward this year, and don't forget it's only 4 or 5 teams that can afford those stratospheric fees, no other team is anywhere near that level - would Juve pay 27M for him ? Not in our lifetime.
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
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[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=33578.msg905473#msg905473 date=1247567716]
Let him rot in the reserves if they dont pay the sum we want.
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Haha.
Rafa - "Xabi, Real don't want to pay the £35m we are asking for you"
Xabi - "Ok boss doesn't matter, I'll stay here then"
Rafa - "You'll fucking rot in the reserves fucker!"
[/quote]
Rafa is a vindictive manager at times ... I can see him screwing Xabi's world cup aspirations next year if he ends up staying ...
[/quote]
Why? Because he wouldn't put up with Djib's petulant attitude? Because he didn't want to do the same with Pennant, who if he had played would have triggered add-on bonuses? Because he wanted to fuck off (rightly so at the time) Xabi after 2 years of mediocrity? That sounds like acting in the best intrests of the team to me.
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How 'bout because he f#$!ed with the team's title challange to prove a point to Rick Parry? How 'bout because he f#$!ed Robbie Keane over to win an internal pissing contest?
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As much as I agree Keane should have been played more (and in his position), for all we know he called Rafa a cunt to his face. He has been 5 years though, so even if you take that s the one clear cut example over his tenure, it hardly means he is vindictive. If that was a big pissing contest as you say, I am sure Rafa would say it served the greater good.
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[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=33578.msg905473#msg905473 date=1247567716]
Let him rot in the reserves if they dont pay the sum we want.
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Haha.
Rafa - "Xabi, Real don't want to pay the £35m we are asking for you"
Xabi - "Ok boss doesn't matter, I'll stay here then"
Rafa - "You'll fucking rot in the reserves fucker!"
[/quote]
Rafa is a vindictive manager at times ... I can see him screwing Xabi's world cup aspirations next year if he ends up staying ...
[/quote]
Why? Because he wouldn't put up with Djib's petulant attitude? Because he didn't want to do the same with Pennant, who if he had played would have triggered add-on bonuses? Because he wanted to fuck off (rightly so at the time) Xabi after 2 years of mediocrity? That sounds like acting in the best intrests of the team to me.
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How 'bout because he f#$!ed with the team's title challange to prove a point to Rick Parry? How 'bout because he f#$!ed Robbie Keane over to win an internal pissing contest?
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As much as I agree Keane should have been played more (and in his position), for all we know he called Rafa a cunt to his face. He has been 5 years though, so even if you take that s the one clear cut example over his tenure, it hardly means he is vindictive. If that was a big pissing contest as you say, I am sure Rafa would say it served the greater good.
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
[quote author=peekay link=topic=33578.msg905923#msg905923 date=1247621299]
26 million will only help us buy a replacement( who may not turn out to be as good as Alonso) and a couple of kids.
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25 million for TWO? Dammit, that's a mo-fo bargain, oy vey!
[Jay Spearing: 'Help! She's covered me in chocolate and I'm scared!'
[quote author=peekay link=topic=33578.msg905923#msg905923 date=1247621299]
26 million will only help us buy a replacement( who may not turn out to be as good as Alonso) and a couple of kids.
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25 million for TWO? Dammit, that's a mo-fo bargain, oy vey!
[Jay Spearing: 'Help! She's covered me in chocolate and I'm scared!'
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
If it's a dodgy rumour, then the transfer fee is equally dodgy isn't it?
26 mill isn't bad, but with Rafas firm stand on this, I don't think he'll sell for less than 30. Unless there is a player coming our way.
So, I'd spare the fee discussions until it's official.
Oh, if Rafa includes Henize in any kind of deal I'll pick my eyes out with a spoon.
If it's a dodgy rumour, then the transfer fee is equally dodgy isn't it?
26 mill isn't bad, but with Rafas firm stand on this, I don't think he'll sell for less than 30. Unless there is a player coming our way.
So, I'd spare the fee discussions until it's official.
Oh, if Rafa includes Henize in any kind of deal I'll pick my eyes out with a spoon.
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