The incredible Xabi Alonso thread 2009.

[Akakabooto]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

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It may be ridiculous but I think footballers at top level should waive some of their 'rights' because they earn so much money playing football.
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It is ridiculous. They have gotten to where they are with their own talent and hard work - why should they apologize to anyone?

Would you suggest that other people making money out of football "waive their rights" (whatever that means) also?

No you wouldn't because it's impractical, unrealistic and fucking stupid.
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Of course players are allowed to want to move but if the buying club isn't prepared to meet the (perfectly reasonable in current market) asking price then the price shouldn't be lowered just because the player wants to move.

I don't care whether it's stupid or impractical but any other way would be bad for the sport imo.
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I think you are getting ideology and practicality confused.
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Please explain me.
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In an ideal world your version would hold true - however that is not reality.
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Why shouldn't it be reality? I hope it will be in Xabis case at least.
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We were talking about 'waiving of rights' because of how highly paid they are etc. etc.
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Right to 'resign and move elsewhere if they wanted'.

 

[Hansern]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

According to SKY Italy, Rafa has already contacted Roma about Aquilani. He's availeble for 18 mill £ apperantly.

I haven't seen to much of him to be honest, but Oncy raves about him. Info Andy?

 

[jimmy]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

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Of course players are allowed to want to move but if the buying club isn't prepared to meet the (perfectly reasonable in current market) asking price then the price shouldn't be lowered just because the player wants to move.
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Well, that point has been agreed upon several times over in this thread.

The only things I take issue is when people start complaining about the money footballers earn and saying that Alonso is unprofessional or whatever.
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He may owe no loyalty to Rafa, and I'd understand if he didn't.

But he does owe something to the club, and that's to not let us get shafted.

Considering Real didn't undermine The Scum or Lyon this much, he might also ask them why they're not willing to pay the fee asked for this time.
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the last paragraph is key. They're treating us completely differently.
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You think they're still angry about the 4-0 pasting at Anfield? 😉
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They got used to screwing us in their past transfer dealngs with us. Tha's all. Time for this to change - they want Xabi and he wants to join them - they can have him at the requested price.

 

[Y1]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

Yep, Fergie said the 80 mil for CR was not negotiable, so our 50 mil should not be negotiable. Full stop.

 

[Stulikesdrums]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

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I'm so gutted.

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I wouldn't be down about things just yet. It has hasn't happened.
We may say to Xabi that we'll listen to what Real have to say, then tell them what we want whether it be 30, 35, 40 million, whatever. They meet our valuation and he goes, but we will be heavily compensated.

But the absolute key to this deal is we hold ALL the cards. We are in such a position of strength.
If Rafa wants to pull Real pants down over this, why shouldn't he? Fuck Real, jumped up twats.

Xabi goes, we get a lot of cash. 3 years left on the contract baby!!
Xabi stays, it's a world cup year and he is going to knuckle down and play, he'll have to keep up last seasons standard if he wants his shirt for South Africa and the dog in the street knows no player is going to want to miss out on a World Cup.

 

[Farkmaster]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

Fuck.

 

[Stulikesdrums]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

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Fuck.
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Why the negativity? Where are the quotes from Xabi confirming this? Exactly, there are none.

 

[Stanners]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

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oh? how do you know this?
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Its in the echo.
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he could feasibly stay if madrid don't cough up, but this thread assumes he's leaving for just under rafa's valuation.
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True, but I think Real will pay 30+million. I wonder how much we have left fund wise, call it £5 million, plus the Alonso money makes it £35 million, thats a decent amount but losing a top class player means needing a good enough replacement. Im not sure if we have enough for a good replacement and a good attacking player.
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we will also get shafted, as every club will know we have a lot of money and a desperate need for a replacement. that is why some kind of part swap deal is essential, in my eyes.
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Do they have another Nunez like replacement?

 

[Atlas]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

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Fuck.
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Why the negativity? Where are the quotes from Xabi confirming this? Exactly, there are none.
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Stick your head in the sand a little more

 

[Stulikesdrums]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

I added a quick poll, simple yes or no will do.
Will Xabi still be a red next season?

 

[Farkmaster]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

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Fuck.
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Why the negativity? Where are the quotes from Xabi confirming this? Exactly, there are none.
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The negativity is because it all stands to reason. It just all has an air of inevitability about it.

 

[LadyRed]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

I think I've run out of denial.

The fact that there are all these reports saying Alonso wants to go, and nothing from him to refute them, suggests that he does want to go. And if that's the case, we should let him go.

I don't want him here if he doesn't want to be here.

 

[Stulikesdrums]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

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Fuck.
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Why the negativity? Where are the quotes from Xabi confirming this? Exactly, there are none.
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Stick your head in the sand a little more
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Not at all Asim, not at all.
When I hear Xabi say he wants to leave, I'll believe he is going, until then I'll choose to stay positive about it.

 

[LadyRed]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

The only thing that would make Alonso leaving worse, is getting Robben in exchange.

 

[Stulikesdrums]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

When is this supposed deadline?
Xabi is due back in training on the weekend right?
I suppose we'll all get the answer pretty soon.

I'm backing Xabi to stay a Liverpool player for next season and beyond.

 

[doctor_mac]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

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I think I've run out of denial.

The fact that there are all these reports saying Alonso wants to go, and nothing from him to refute them, suggests that he does want to go. And if that's the case, we should let him go.

I don't want him here if he doesn't want to be here.
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*pats Neets*

That wasn't easy. Well done.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

Let him rot in the reserves if they dont pay the sum we want.

There is NO WAY in hell we should get bent over by Madrid or Xabi, no bloody way.

 

[Avmenon]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

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I think I've run out of denial.

The fact that there are all these reports saying Alonso wants to go, and nothing from him to refute them, suggests that he does want to go. And if that's the case, we should let him go.

I don't want him here if he doesn't want to be here.
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After they show us the money, they can have him.

 

[Stanners]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

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The only thing that would make Alonso leaving worse, is getting Robben in exchange.
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Knowing those twats we'll probably get £8m + Dudek or Drenthe.

 

[Atlas]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

Choose what you want Stu, but a whole summer (plus) of speculation isn't something to be sniffed at.
I'm sure there are bits and bobs that were reported that were completely made up, but the overal picture of Xabi banging on about going this summer is pretty certain.

 

[ILD]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

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The only thing that would make Alonso leaving worse, is getting Robben in exchange.
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Robben is a quality player. He has been injured for the majority of last season but let's not forget how good he is.

Yeah he's a cunt but he'd be our cunt.

 

[Stulikesdrums]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

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Let him rot in the reserves if they dont pay the sum we want.

There is NO WAY in hell we should get bent over by Madrid or Xabi, no bloody way.
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The beauty of this situation for us is that Xabi will not rot in the reserves.
He will play every game for the first team because it is a world cup year.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

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Let him rot in the reserves if they dont pay the sum we want.

There is NO WAY in hell we should get bent over by Madrid or Xabi, no bloody way.
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The beauty of this situation for us is that Xabi will not rot in the reserves.
He will play every game for the first team because it is a world cup year.
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I somehow doubt it ...

 

[Atlas]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

If Xabi stays he needs to play in the first team, and he needs to work his socks off and kiss ass.

 

[Akakabooto]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

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Let him rot in the reserves if they dont pay the sum we want.

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Haha.

Rafa - "Xabi, Real don't want to pay the £35m we are asking for you"

Xabi - "Ok boss doesn't matter, I'll stay here then"

Rafa - "You'll fucking rot in the reserves fucker!"

 

[Farkmaster]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

This transfer season is fucking bizarre. I don't quite believe it could end this way, but it's looking like which of a group of not particularly amazing english teams will manage to stay at their current level, as la liga's only two competitive teams out compete the juggernaut premier league.

 

[Stulikesdrums]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

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Choose what you want Stu, but a whole summer (plus) of speculation isn't something to be sniffed at.
I'm sure there are bits and bobs that were reported that were completely made up, but the overal picture of Xabi banging on about going this summer is pretty certain.
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It's not certain to me Asim.
How many quotes from Xabi have you read saying he wants to leave Liverpool?
How many quotes did you read last summer from Gareth Barry saying he wanted to leave Villa?
We had a nightmare summer of speculation about Barry last year and he ended up staying where he was and playing to his usual high standard for his employers.

We couldn't agree a fee, or were unwilling to meet a valuation more like and if Real don't meet our valuation, he goes nowhere. Whether he likes it or not.

 

[LadyRed]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

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The only thing that would make Alonso leaving worse, is getting Robben in exchange.
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Robben is a quality player. He has been injured for the majority of last season but let's not forget how good he is.

Yeah he's a cunt but he'd be our cunt.
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We don't need another Harry Kewell thanks. Nor do we need a whiny, cheating, diving git like Robben. He can sod off.

 

[Stulikesdrums]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

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Let him rot in the reserves if they dont pay the sum we want.

There is NO WAY in hell we should get bent over by Madrid or Xabi, no bloody way.
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The beauty of this situation for us is that Xabi will not rot in the reserves.
He will play every game for the first team because it is a world cup year.
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I somehow doubt it ...
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Why do you doubt it?
What's Rafa gonna do, leave Xabi in the reserves and play Lucas in the big games?
That would be mental, even for Rafa.

If he stays, he will play.
He stayed last summer and played nearly every game.

 

[Atlas]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

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Choose what you want Stu, but a whole summer (plus) of speculation isn't something to be sniffed at.
I'm sure there are bits and bobs that were reported that were completely made up, but the overal picture of Xabi banging on about going this summer is pretty certain.
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It's not certain to me Asim.
How many quotes from Xabi have you read saying he wants to leave Liverpool?
How many quotes did you read last summer from Gareth Barry saying he wanted to leave Villa?
We had a nightmare summer of speculation about Barry last year and he ended up staying where he was and playing to his usual high standard for his employers.

We couldn't agree a fee, or were unwilling to meet a valuation more like and if Real don't meet our valuation, he goes nowhere. Whether he likes it or not.
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What is it exactly that you are disputing Stu?

Xabi wants to leave, there was nothing to say Barry wanted to leave last summer (MON said it loads of times) but it was clear the guy wanted to leave (his farewell letter to the Villa fans proved as much).

I'm not saying Alonso is going for certain, I don't know but it's pretty clear he has asked to be allowed to leave and go to Real