The incredible Xabi Alonso thread 2009.

[rubans]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

Comparing the man in wall street isn't really the same idealogy, footballers are someone often who people look upto and being aligned with a club is a lot different to a bank. When you wear the shirt of lfc or whatever club then you are judged on a complete different level than just a person doing their job. Otherwise would anyone care so much when Gerrard nearly left to Chelsea. Don't think when comapring footballer it can just be put down to just another job.

 

[Akakabooto]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=keniget link=topic=33578.msg905399#msg905399 date=1247562336]
[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=33578.msg905396#msg905396 date=1247562159]
It may be ridiculous but I think footballers at top level should waive some of their 'rights' because they earn so much money playing football.
[/quote]

It is ridiculous. They have gotten to where they are with their own talent and hard work - why should they apologize to anyone?

Would you suggest that other people making money out of football "waive their rights" (whatever that means) also?

No you wouldn't because it's impractical, unrealistic and fucking stupid.
[/quote]

Of course players are allowed to want to move but if the buying club isn't prepared to meet the (perfectly reasonable in current market) asking price then the price shouldn't be lowered just because the player wants to move.

I don't care whether it's stupid or impractical but any other way would be bad for the sport imo.

 

[doctor_mac]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=34703.msg905390#msg905390 date=1247561777]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=34703.msg905388#msg905388 date=1247561693]
I'd take Robben and £18-20M.

[/quote]I'd take Batman and £12m
[/quote]

You're a Joker.

*fits rubber hose to exhaust pipe*

 

[Rouge Penguin]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

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[keniget]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=rubans link=topic=33578.msg905401#msg905401 date=1247562800]
Comparing the man in wall street isn't really the same idealogy, footballers are someone often who people look upto and being aligned with a club is a lot different to a bank. When you wear the shirt of lfc or whatever club then you are judged on a complete different level than just a person doing their job. Otherwise would anyone care so much when Gerrard nearly left to Chelsea. Don't think when comapring footballer it can just be put down to just another job.
[/quote]

That is a good point and you do often see decisions and considerations demonstrating that (Etxeberria at Bilbao for example), but on the other hand, these guys are just sportsmen - they're not holding some kind of public office and they're not bound by the fans sense of ideals and loyalty - at least not when they're not from the same background they shouldn't be.

Nobody complains when Carra gets an improved deal worth 90k a week, do they?

I imagine most people would say something along the lines of "he deserves it!".

If we're saying footballers should make sacrifices for the club - at least if it's the one they supposedly love and support - surely they shouldn't demand exhorbitant salaries?

I don't see anyone calling Carra unprofessional though or saying that he should take less money.

 

[keniget]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=33578.msg905402#msg905402 date=1247562869]
Of course players are allowed to want to move but if the buying club isn't prepared to meet the (perfectly reasonable in current market) asking price then the price shouldn't be lowered just because the player wants to move.
[/quote]

Well, that point has been agreed upon several times over in this thread.

The only things I take issue is when people start complaining about the money footballers earn and saying that Alonso is unprofessional or whatever.

 

[Frogfish]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=rubans link=topic=33578.msg905401#msg905401 date=1247562800]
Comparing the man in wall street isn't really the same idealogy, footballers are someone often who people look upto and being aligned with a club is a lot different to a bank. When you wear the shirt of lfc or whatever club then you are judged on a complete different level than just a person doing their job. Otherwise would anyone care so much when Gerrard nearly left to Chelsea. Don't think when comapring footballer it can just be put down to just another job.
[/quote]

BS. Otherwise why don't we just include Politicians, Actors & Actresses, Olympic participants etc. etc. etc. What job you do and how much you earn has sweet FA to do with human & legal rights. Let's not start thinking footballers are something they aren't.

 

[Akakabooto]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=keniget link=topic=33578.msg905413#msg905413 date=1247563473]
[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=33578.msg905402#msg905402 date=1247562869]
Of course players are allowed to want to move but if the buying club isn't prepared to meet the (perfectly reasonable in current market) asking price then the price shouldn't be lowered just because the player wants to move.
[/quote]

Well, that point has been agreed upon several times over in this thread.

The only things I take issue is when people start complaining about the money footballers earn and saying that Alonso is unprofessional or whatever.
[/quote]

Yes well I was commenting on the 'electrician' post that players should be allowed to resign and move elsewhere if they wanted.

I'm not saying Alonso is unprofessional, he has every right to want a transfer. I'll blame the club if we sell him too cheap.

 

[Frogfish]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=33578.msg905402#msg905402 date=1247562869]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=33578.msg905399#msg905399 date=1247562336]
[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=33578.msg905396#msg905396 date=1247562159]
It may be ridiculous but I think footballers at top level should waive some of their 'rights' because they earn so much money playing football.
[/quote]

It is ridiculous. They have gotten to where they are with their own talent and hard work - why should they apologize to anyone?

Would you suggest that other people making money out of football "waive their rights" (whatever that means) also?

No you wouldn't because it's impractical, unrealistic and fucking stupid.
[/quote]

Of course players are allowed to want to move but if the buying club isn't prepared to meet the (perfectly reasonable in current market) asking price then the price shouldn't be lowered just because the player wants to move.

I don't care whether it's stupid or impractical but any other way would be bad for the sport imo.
[/quote]

I think you are getting ideology and practicality confused.

 

[Avmenon]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=keniget link=topic=33578.msg905413#msg905413 date=1247563473]
[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=33578.msg905402#msg905402 date=1247562869]
Of course players are allowed to want to move but if the buying club isn't prepared to meet the (perfectly reasonable in current market) asking price then the price shouldn't be lowered just because the player wants to move.
[/quote]

Well, that point has been agreed upon several times over in this thread.

The only things I take issue is when people start complaining about the money footballers earn and saying that Alonso is unprofessional or whatever.
[/quote]



He may owe no loyalty to Rafa, and I'd understand if he didn't.

But he does owe something to the club, and that's to not let us get shafted.

Considering Real didn't undermine The Scum or Lyon this much, he might also ask them why they're not willing to pay the fee asked for this time.

 

[Akakabooto]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=33578.msg905416#msg905416 date=1247563754]
[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=33578.msg905402#msg905402 date=1247562869]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=33578.msg905399#msg905399 date=1247562336]
[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=33578.msg905396#msg905396 date=1247562159]
It may be ridiculous but I think footballers at top level should waive some of their 'rights' because they earn so much money playing football.
[/quote]

It is ridiculous. They have gotten to where they are with their own talent and hard work - why should they apologize to anyone?

Would you suggest that other people making money out of football "waive their rights" (whatever that means) also?

No you wouldn't because it's impractical, unrealistic and fucking stupid.
[/quote]

Of course players are allowed to want to move but if the buying club isn't prepared to meet the (perfectly reasonable in current market) asking price then the price shouldn't be lowered just because the player wants to move.

I don't care whether it's stupid or impractical but any other way would be bad for the sport imo.
[/quote]

I think you are getting ideology and practicality confused.
[/quote]

Please explain me.

 

[Akakabooto]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=33578.msg905417#msg905417 date=1247564169]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=33578.msg905413#msg905413 date=1247563473]
[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=33578.msg905402#msg905402 date=1247562869]
Of course players are allowed to want to move but if the buying club isn't prepared to meet the (perfectly reasonable in current market) asking price then the price shouldn't be lowered just because the player wants to move.
[/quote]

Well, that point has been agreed upon several times over in this thread.

The only things I take issue is when people start complaining about the money footballers earn and saying that Alonso is unprofessional or whatever.
[/quote]



He may owe no loyalty to Rafa, and I'd understand if he didn't.

But he does owe something to the club, and that's to not let us get shafted.

Considering Real didn't undermine The Scum or Lyon this much, he might also ask them why they're not willing to pay the fee asked for this time.
[/quote]

Xabi is not to blame if Real don't want to offer us enough for him. Xabi should also not blame the club if they don't sell him for less than the set price.

 

[FoxForceFive]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=33578.msg905417#msg905417 date=1247564169]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=33578.msg905413#msg905413 date=1247563473]
[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=33578.msg905402#msg905402 date=1247562869]
Of course players are allowed to want to move but if the buying club isn't prepared to meet the (perfectly reasonable in current market) asking price then the price shouldn't be lowered just because the player wants to move.
[/quote]

Well, that point has been agreed upon several times over in this thread.

The only things I take issue is when people start complaining about the money footballers earn and saying that Alonso is unprofessional or whatever.
[/quote]



He may owe no loyalty to Rafa, and I'd understand if he didn't.

But he does owe something to the club, and that's to not let us get shafted.

Considering Real didn't undermine The Scum or Lyon this much, he might also ask them why they're not willing to pay the fee asked for this time.
[/quote]

the last paragraph is key. They're treating us completely differently.

 

[rubans]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=33578.msg905414#msg905414 date=1247563647]
[quote author=rubans link=topic=33578.msg905401#msg905401 date=1247562800]
Comparing the man in wall street isn't really the same idealogy, footballers are someone often who people look upto and being aligned with a club is a lot different to a bank. When you wear the shirt of lfc or whatever club then you are judged on a complete different level than just a person doing their job. Otherwise would anyone care so much when Gerrard nearly left to Chelsea. Don't think when comapring footballer it can just be put down to just another job.
[/quote]

BS. Otherwise why don't we just include Politicians, Actors & Actresses, Olympic participants etc. etc. etc. What job you do and how much you earn has sweet FA to do with human & legal rights. Let's not start thinking footballers are something they aren't.
[/quote]
Missing my point, My point is don't give a fck if a banker leaves one bank for another, footballers playing football is not just a job.
That's my point. No need to get so jumped up, relax!
Regardless, Alonso is an important player but not irreplaceable. Rafa can replace him, 30 million and he can fck off to Madrid. Play there for one season, go to the WC and sit on the bench. Regardless of form, their midfield is better with him. Xavi and Senna are a better combo.

 

[Loch Ness Monster]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=keniget link=topic=33578.msg905413#msg905413 date=1247563473]


Well, that point has been agreed upon several times over in this thread.

The only things I take issue is when people start complaining about the money footballers earn and saying that Alonso is unprofessional or whatever.


[/quote]

IF Xabi does not go, because the price is not met or Rafa chooses not to accept the offer, then all we ask is 100% committment. Anything less will be unprofessional or whatever. In the mean time, let the tug of war commence.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=33578.msg905421#msg905421 date=1247564461]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=33578.msg905417#msg905417 date=1247564169]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=33578.msg905413#msg905413 date=1247563473]
[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=33578.msg905402#msg905402 date=1247562869]
Of course players are allowed to want to move but if the buying club isn't prepared to meet the (perfectly reasonable in current market) asking price then the price shouldn't be lowered just because the player wants to move.
[/quote]

Well, that point has been agreed upon several times over in this thread.

The only things I take issue is when people start complaining about the money footballers earn and saying that Alonso is unprofessional or whatever.
[/quote]



He may owe no loyalty to Rafa, and I'd understand if he didn't.

But he does owe something to the club, and that's to not let us get shafted.

Considering Real didn't undermine The Scum or Lyon this much, he might also ask them why they're not willing to pay the fee asked for this time.
[/quote]

the last paragraph is key. They're treating us completely differently.
[/quote]

You think they're still angry about the 4-0 pasting at Anfield? 😉

 

[KopRed]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=33578.msg905415#msg905415 date=1247563721]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=33578.msg905413#msg905413 date=1247563473]
[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=33578.msg905402#msg905402 date=1247562869]
Of course players are allowed to want to move but if the buying club isn't prepared to meet the (perfectly reasonable in current market) asking price then the price shouldn't be lowered just because the player wants to move.
[/quote]

Well, that point has been agreed upon several times over in this thread.

The only things I take issue is when people start complaining about the money footballers earn and saying that Alonso is unprofessional or whatever.
[/quote]

Yes well I was commenting on the 'electrician' post that players should be allowed to resign and move elsewhere if they wanted.

I'm not saying Alonso is unprofessional, he has every right to want a transfer. I'll blame the club if we sell him too cheap.
[/quote]

Not all contracts have a 1 week or 1 mth notice. Definitely not the contract of someone we bought for 10 million big ones.

 

[Akakabooto]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=Loch Ness Monster link=topic=33578.msg905424#msg905424 date=1247564654]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=33578.msg905413#msg905413 date=1247563473]


Well, that point has been agreed upon several times over in this thread.

The only things I take issue is when people start complaining about the money footballers earn and saying that Alonso is unprofessional or whatever.


[/quote]

IF Xabi does not go, because the price is not met or Rafa chooses not to accept the offer, then all we ask is 100% committment. Anything less will be unprofessional or whatever. In the mean time, let the tug of war commence.
[/quote]

A thead this big can be a bit confusing but that was the point I was trying to make as well. 🙂

 

[keniget]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

Heh, so we're all in agreement then. Good. I take back my "stupid" accusations!

 

[Akakabooto]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=keniget link=topic=33578.msg905428#msg905428 date=1247565063]
Heh, so we're all in agreement then. Good. I take back my "stupid" accusations!
[/quote]

Hah, cheers.

 

[spider-Neil]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=33578.msg905421#msg905421 date=1247564461]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=33578.msg905417#msg905417 date=1247564169]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=33578.msg905413#msg905413 date=1247563473]
[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=33578.msg905402#msg905402 date=1247562869]
Of course players are allowed to want to move but if the buying club isn't prepared to meet the (perfectly reasonable in current market) asking price then the price shouldn't be lowered just because the player wants to move.
[/quote]

Well, that point has been agreed upon several times over in this thread.

The only things I take issue is when people start complaining about the money footballers earn and saying that Alonso is unprofessional or whatever.
[/quote]



He may owe no loyalty to Rafa, and I'd understand if he didn't.

But he does owe something to the club, and that's to not let us get shafted.

Considering Real didn't undermine The Scum or Lyon this much, he might also ask them why they're not willing to pay the fee asked for this time.
[/quote]

the last paragraph is key. They're treating us completely differently.
[/quote]

its because they see us as chumps. everytime they have dealt with us they have fucked us and they fully intend and expect to do the same again. alonso can go but not if real refuse to meet our valuation for him.

 

[gkmacca]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

belfasttelegraph.co.uk
Xabi Alonso leaves Liverpool and Rafa rattled
Tuesday, 14 July 2009


Rafael Benitez is still battling to keep Javier Mascherano at Liverpool in the wake of Xabi Alonso making his position with the club virtually untenable.


Alonso is believed to have contacted the Liverpool manager and told him he wants to leave the club and join Real Madrid, but stopped short of asking for a transfer.

The Spain midfielder, remarkably, made the call less than 24 hours before he married his long-term girlfriend Nagore Aramburu in his home city of San Sebastian on Saturday, where the guests included former Liverpool team-mate Luis Garcia and Everton midfielder Mikel Arteta.

That plea to Benitez came as the Bernabeu giants stepped up their relentless pursuit of the 27-year-old, and although Benitez still does not want to sell, there seems little chance now that Alonso can remain a Liverpool player.

But whereas Alonso looks like he is on his way out of Anfield, Mascherano is still very much in Benitez's plans.

The manager intimated towards the end of last season that the Argentina captain would be given a new contract this summer, and that is now a matter of urgency for Benitez.

The Spanish boss took his squad to a Swiss training camp on Sunday, with Mascherano due to join them on Thursday, the midfielder’s arrival delayed after he became a father for the second time at the weekend.

Benitez has privately claimed suggestions that Mascherano's wife cannot settle in Liverpool has been an excuse, and he believes he is much more likely to persuade the midfielder to stay.

Alonso, surely, is now a different matter. Benitez reveals that he had a string of phone calls from Alonso while the player was away with Spain at the Confederation Cup in South Africa.

And since then he has become increasingly irritated by further calls from the player as Madrid's interest has heightened.

This latest call was probably the final straw, but Benitez will be determined to get a fee approaching £30million, despite Madrid's offer being considerably smaller than that figure.

Liverpool play St Gallen tomorrow in their first pre-season game, with a match against Rapid Vienna on Sunday.

Alonso is due to travel to Vienna on Sunday, along with the rest of Liverpool's Spanish contingent, to join up with the rest of the party heading to the Far East for matches against Thailand and Singapore.

The chances of Alonso being on that trip now seem remote, with the player's insisting his future is sorted out before the weekend.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/premiership/alonso-leaves-liverpool-and-rafa-rattled-14404213.html

 

[Frogfish]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=33578.msg905418#msg905418 date=1247564203]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=33578.msg905416#msg905416 date=1247563754]
[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=33578.msg905402#msg905402 date=1247562869]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=33578.msg905399#msg905399 date=1247562336]
[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=33578.msg905396#msg905396 date=1247562159]
It may be ridiculous but I think footballers at top level should waive some of their 'rights' because they earn so much money playing football.
[/quote]

It is ridiculous. They have gotten to where they are with their own talent and hard work - why should they apologize to anyone?

Would you suggest that other people making money out of football "waive their rights" (whatever that means) also?

No you wouldn't because it's impractical, unrealistic and fucking stupid.
[/quote]

Of course players are allowed to want to move but if the buying club isn't prepared to meet the (perfectly reasonable in current market) asking price then the price shouldn't be lowered just because the player wants to move.

I don't care whether it's stupid or impractical but any other way would be bad for the sport imo.
[/quote]

I think you are getting ideology and practicality confused.
[/quote]

Please explain me.
[/quote]

In an ideal world your version would hold true - however that is not reality.

 

[Akakabooto]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=33578.msg905434#msg905434 date=1247565518]
[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=33578.msg905418#msg905418 date=1247564203]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=33578.msg905416#msg905416 date=1247563754]
[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=33578.msg905402#msg905402 date=1247562869]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=33578.msg905399#msg905399 date=1247562336]
[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=33578.msg905396#msg905396 date=1247562159]
It may be ridiculous but I think footballers at top level should waive some of their 'rights' because they earn so much money playing football.
[/quote]

It is ridiculous. They have gotten to where they are with their own talent and hard work - why should they apologize to anyone?

Would you suggest that other people making money out of football "waive their rights" (whatever that means) also?

No you wouldn't because it's impractical, unrealistic and fucking stupid.
[/quote]

Of course players are allowed to want to move but if the buying club isn't prepared to meet the (perfectly reasonable in current market) asking price then the price shouldn't be lowered just because the player wants to move.

I don't care whether it's stupid or impractical but any other way would be bad for the sport imo.
[/quote]

I think you are getting ideology and practicality confused.
[/quote]

Please explain me.
[/quote]

In an ideal world your version would hold true - however that is not reality.
[/quote]

Why shouldn't it be reality? I hope it will be in Xabis case at least.

 

[LadyRed]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

He's really going, huh?

 

[Avmenon]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

Looks like it 🙁

 

[Frogfish]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=rubans link=topic=33578.msg905423#msg905423 date=1247564620]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=33578.msg905414#msg905414 date=1247563647]
[quote author=rubans link=topic=33578.msg905401#msg905401 date=1247562800]
Comparing the man in wall street isn't really the same idealogy, footballers are someone often who people look upto and being aligned with a club is a lot different to a bank. When you wear the shirt of lfc or whatever club then you are judged on a complete different level than just a person doing their job. Otherwise would anyone care so much when Gerrard nearly left to Chelsea. Don't think when comapring footballer it can just be put down to just another job.
[/quote]

BS. Otherwise why don't we just include Politicians, Actors & Actresses, Olympic participants etc. etc. etc. What job you do and how much you earn has sweet FA to do with human & legal rights. Let's not start thinking footballers are something they aren't.
[/quote]
Missing my point, My point is don't give a fck if a banker leaves one bank for another, footballers playing football is not just a job.
That's my point. No need to get so jumped up, relax!
Regardless, Alonso is an important player but not irreplaceable. Rafa can replace him, 30 million and he can fck off to Madrid. Play there for one season, go to the WC and sit on the bench. Regardless of form, their midfield is better with him. Xavi and Senna are a better combo.

[/quote]
8) *Chills*

Agree he is not irreplaceable.

 

[LadyRed]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

I'm so gutted.

 

[Frogfish]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=33578.msg905435#msg905435 date=1247565631]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=33578.msg905434#msg905434 date=1247565518]
[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=33578.msg905418#msg905418 date=1247564203]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=33578.msg905416#msg905416 date=1247563754]
[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=33578.msg905402#msg905402 date=1247562869]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=33578.msg905399#msg905399 date=1247562336]
[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=33578.msg905396#msg905396 date=1247562159]
It may be ridiculous but I think footballers at top level should waive some of their 'rights' because they earn so much money playing football.
[/quote]

It is ridiculous. They have gotten to where they are with their own talent and hard work - why should they apologize to anyone?

Would you suggest that other people making money out of football "waive their rights" (whatever that means) also?

No you wouldn't because it's impractical, unrealistic and fucking stupid.
[/quote]

Of course players are allowed to want to move but if the buying club isn't prepared to meet the (perfectly reasonable in current market) asking price then the price shouldn't be lowered just because the player wants to move.

I don't care whether it's stupid or impractical but any other way would be bad for the sport imo.
[/quote]

I think you are getting ideology and practicality confused.
[/quote]

Please explain me.
[/quote]

In an ideal world your version would hold true - however that is not reality.
[/quote]

Why shouldn't it be reality? I hope it will be in Xabis case at least.
[/quote]

We were talking about 'waiving of rights' because of how highly paid they are etc. etc.

 

[Frogfish]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=Anita link=topic=33578.msg905442#msg905442 date=1247566332]
I'm so gutted.

[/quote]

Time to change your avy Anita. How about a close up of Ribery ?