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The incredible Xabi Alonso thread 2009.

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Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=Loch Ness Monster link=topic=33578.msg905126#msg905126 date=1247507557]
Inter Milan away it was. He missed the plane, offering to get a later plane when he knew more. Rafa 'banned' him from the squad.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport-old/f...fter-row-with-rafael-benitez-115875-20347634/
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Cheers, amigo.

Is it just me or does Xabi seem to lack a certain professionalism about the business aspect of the game?

Whilst acknowledging that if at all possible, everybody should be at the birth of their children, the two main things that seem to have soured Xabi on Rafa are this matter and the fact that he was made available last summer, i.e. business stuff, that happens sometimes. Sometimes, last minute time off simply cannot be granted

Xabi may not be happy that Rafa tried to cash in on him, or didn't give him time off the day before a vital, enormous European match, but he's living a life most of us can only dream of and rewarded handsomely for the privilige.

Grow up, son. Sometimes even professional footballer don't get their own way ALL the time.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

The key is to not play 'average' football for 2 years, and ensure you plant your seed to spring in the close season.
Like our Fernando.
Anything else will incur the wrath of Rafa.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=33578.msg905187#msg905187 date=1247512545]
[quote author=Loch Ness Monster link=topic=33578.msg905126#msg905126 date=1247507557]
Inter Milan away it was. He missed the plane, offering to get a later plane when he knew more. Rafa 'banned' him from the squad.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport-old/f...fter-row-with-rafael-benitez-115875-20347634/
[/quote]

Cheers, amigo.

Is it just me or does Xabi seem to lack a certain professionalism about the business aspect of the game?

Whilst acknowledging that if at all possible, everybody should be at the birth of their children, the two main things that seem to have soured Xabi on Rafa are this matter and the fact that he was made available last summer, i.e. business stuff, that happens sometimes. Sometimes, last minute time off simply cannot be granted

Xabi may not be happy that Rafa tried to cash in on him, or didn't give him time off the day before a vital, enormous European match, but he's living a life most of us can only dream of and rewarded handsomely for the privilige.

Grow up, son. Sometimes even professional footballer don't get their own way ALL the time.
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No, mate, it isn't just you. In fact I'd go further than you do, and say that Rafa would have been failing in his duty if he hadn't (a) disciplined Xabi for failing to turn up for the plane to Milan and (b) seen whether there were any takers for a player who had underperformed for two whole seasons.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=33578.msg905200#msg905200 date=1247513347]seen whether there were any takers for a player who had underperformed for two whole seasons.
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Yeah, his enquiries into interest in Alonso were most subtle.

I don't get all this "grow up" nonsense. Everyone feels aggrieved about their own shit and it's all relative. I've come across people whose problems put mine to shame, but it's not like I'm going to feel as though I have no right to ever complain about anything.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

to not try and involve a player in the alonso deal would be silly. nothing worse than everyone knowing you have 30 mill to spend on a replacement.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

Oh boo hoo, the manager wasn't "subtle" in looking for possible takers. Since when has a grown man like Xabi needed his feelings coddled in that way?

And no, it isn't "all relative". Xabi would have got most people's sympathy if he'd been narked about not being allowed to join his missus at the birth of their child, but he deserves precisely none for the consequences of taking the hump and going against instructions to join the flight to Milan.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=keniget link=topic=33578.msg905201#msg905201 date=1247513661]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=33578.msg905200#msg905200 date=1247513347]seen whether there were any takers for a player who had underperformed for two whole seasons.
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Yeah, his enquiries into interest in Alonso were most subtle.

I don't get all this "grow up" nonsense. Everyone feels aggrieved about their own shit and it's all relative. I've come across people whose problems put mine to shame, but it's not like I'm going to feel as though I have no right to ever complain about anything.
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Keni,

If your boss grabs your arse and trys to mount you, you have a legitmate concern.

If your boss cannot give you time off on the busiest day of your year, you don't. That's the job and the company that you've chosen, and you know the responsibilities that come with the position you hold.

Pro players get sold. It happens. Time off isn't always granted, if there's a trip to the San f#$!ing Siro only two days away... You're a very, very highly paid professional. Behave like one.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

so rafa tried to sell alonso when he was average. alonso now wants to leave after proving he's far from average. what goes around comes around.

i'm over it, we should sell him on our terms or not at all. no way will he sulk and under perform, regardless of everything to date alonso has behaved professionally and i cannot see him under performing next season especially as its a world cup year.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

Well, I guess I see it differently to y'all and that's not just because Alonso who I've been defending for the last three years.

I don't understand all this "he should be grateful" for this and that. Why? It's his hard work and talent that has got him to where he is. If he feels aggrieved over something, who are any of us to say whether that is justified or not. We don't know what the situation is and what's more, I'm sure people could poke about our lives and go on about how pathetic some of our whinging is.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=keniget link=topic=33578.msg905220#msg905220 date=1247515186]
Well, I guess I see it differently to y'all and that's not just because Alonso who I've been defending for the last three years.

I don't understand all this "he should be grateful" for this and that. Why? It's his hard work and talent that has got him to where he is. If he feels aggrieved over something, who are any of us to say whether that is justified or not. We don't know what the situation is and what's more, I'm sure people could poke about our lives and go on about how pathetic some of our whinging is.
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I don't need him to be grateful, mate.

Just professional.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

How has been unprofessional?

If the club was right to explore it's options during a relatively unimpressive period from Alonso, is he not entitled to explore his after an impressive one?
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=keniget link=topic=33578.msg905223#msg905223 date=1247515451]
How has been unprofessional?

If the club was right to explore it's options during a relatively unimpressive period from Alonso, is he not entitled to explore his after an impressive one?
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Not when he's under contract for another three seasons, no.

It's the deal that he signed.

Also, if the reason that he wants to leave is due to rafa running LFC like he should, then he's a flippin' crybaby and not the bloke we've been led to believe...

Wow, Xabi... You couldn't get time off two years ago? Rafa was open to selling you? So, that makes you different from EVERY OTHER PLAYER ON THE PLANET, how..?

IF that's what this is about, Keni.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=keniget link=topic=33578.msg905223#msg905223 date=1247515451]
How has been unprofessional?

If the club was right to explore it's options during a relatively unimpressive period from Alonso, is he not entitled to explore his after an impressive one?
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true, but by the same token he didn't have to leave when rafa wanted rid because of his contract we don't have to sell now that he wants out because of his contract.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

I'm resigned to losing both Xabi and Mascher, and tbh it's got to the stage where in which i just hope we at least do it on our terms. Sell Xabi this summer (use the money for 1-2 replacements) and get Mascher to stay on for one more season, and then flog him too.

Fuck them if they don't want to stay and try to get in some players that do please Rafa.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=33578.msg905227#msg905227 date=1247515763]

Not when he's under contract for another three seasons, no.

It's the deal that he signed.
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Heh, it's the deal he signed?

We sold Sissoko after he signed a new five year deal. What about about that deal?

Alonso had four years left on his deal when Rafa tried to sell him last year. It was all okay to ignore the deal then, wasn't it?

We did this earlier on in the thread. Loyalty is a two way street. It's hypocritical in the extreme to state that loyalty only has to be maintained as long as it suits the club.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33578.msg905233#msg905233 date=1247515911]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=33578.msg905223#msg905223 date=1247515451]
How has been unprofessional?

If the club was right to explore it's options during a relatively unimpressive period from Alonso, is he not entitled to explore his after an impressive one?
[/quote]

true, but by the same token he didn't have to leave when rafa wanted rid because of his contract we don't have to sell now that he wants out because of his contract.
[/quote]

Juve failed to meet our asking price. If they or another team had've offered the requisite amount, he'd have been gone and I believe we've had interviews confirming as much with regards to his failed move to Juve.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=keniget link=topic=33578.msg905236#msg905236 date=1247516060]
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=33578.msg905227#msg905227 date=1247515763]

Not when he's under contract for another three seasons, no.

It's the deal that he signed.
[/quote]

Heh, it's the deal he signed?

We sold Sissoko after he signed a new five year deal. What about about that deal?

Alonso had four years left on his deal when Rafa tried to sell him last year. It was all okay to ignore the deal then, wasn't it?

We did this earlier on in the thread. Loyalty is a two way street. It's hypocritical in the extreme to state that loyalty only has to be maintained as long as it suits the club.
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It's not, mate. At least not in my mind.

I support LFC, not XAFC.

Bottom line: He's LFC property and he knows the business that he's chosen to be a part of... If he doesn't like what can happen, f#$! off, stop collecting all those astronomical paychecks and become a civil servant.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

Heh, it's going nothing to do with supporting XAFC. I support LFC and would like to see the clubs best interests served, which in this case is hopefully Xabi staying or if not getting an astronomical fee from his sale. The difference is I'm just viewing it a little more objectively than you (imho).

You can take the viewpoint of the "club is always right" and the player should do this and that or fuck off, but what's the point? It's not the reality of the situation is it. A player is not the property of the club and always has options as we've seen time and time again. As long as the player conducts himself in an appropriate manner, I don't see how unprofessionalism comes into it.

What can Xabi do if he doesn't like "it"? Well, err... he can move to another top club in Europe as he might well end up doing this summer. Fucked, isn't he?
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=keniget link=topic=33578.msg905243#msg905243 date=1247516952]
Heh, it's going nothing to do with supporting XAFC. I support LFC and would like to see the clubs best interests served, which in this case is hopefully Xabi staying or if not getting an astronomical fee from his sale. The difference is I'm just viewing it a little more objectively than you (imho).

You can take the viewpoint of the "club is always right" and the player should do this and that or fuck off, but what's the point? It's not the reality of the situation is it. A player is not the property of the club and always has options as we've seen time and time again. As long as the player conducts himself in an appropriate manner, I don't see how unprofessionalism comes into it.

What can Xabi do if he doesn't like "it"? Well, err... he can move to another top club in Europe as he might well end up doing this summer. Fucked, isn't he?
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He is if we refuse to sell him.

He IS our property, Keni. That's the contract that he singed.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

Come on Whaddapie... you know as well as I do that contracts more often than not are just an insurance policy protecting against losing a player for a pittance or worse nothing.

I hope we do refuse to sell him if the offers fall short of our valuation (ideally we'd refuse any and all offer but I don't see that happening), but this whole "player x is the property of club y and that's that" is just divorced from reality. We've seen enough players get their moves to know this is the case.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=keniget link=topic=33578.msg905237#msg905237 date=1247516144]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33578.msg905233#msg905233 date=1247515911]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=33578.msg905223#msg905223 date=1247515451]
How has been unprofessional?

If the club was right to explore it's options during a relatively unimpressive period from Alonso, is he not entitled to explore his after an impressive one?
[/quote]

true, but by the same token he didn't have to leave when rafa wanted rid because of his contract we don't have to sell now that he wants out because of his contract.
[/quote]

Juve failed to meet our asking price. If they or another team had've offered the requisite amount, he'd have been gone and I believe we've had interviews confirming as much with regards to his failed move to Juve.
[/quote]

the point is xabi didn't 'have' to go, rafa could make things difficult for xabi by not playing him but he couldn't force him out as there is a contract in place.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

We're in a rather provileged position though.

Alonso has to play next season. His place in the Spanish side goes otherwise. So we can keep him, even if he's unhappy, cos he'd be mad to not play at the highest level he can to keep that place in our side & ensure he travels to SA with the Spanish side.

Normally you cant keep a player for fear of him simply not playing, he has to. Let's make the most of that by making it known if we dont get the fee we want he's staying, like it or not.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33578.msg905252#msg905252 date=1247517490]
the point is xabi didn't 'have' to go, rafa could make things difficult for xabi by not playing him but he couldn't force him out as there is a contract in place.
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We all know what a contract is. We all know that if push comes to shove the club can refuse to sell and the player can refuse to move. Usually a compromise is reached if not immediately than eventually.

And in this particular instance, we know that he would've gone.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=33578.msg905254#msg905254 date=1247517608]
Normally you cant keep a player for fear of him simply not playing, he has to. Let's make the most of that by making it known if we dont get the fee we want he's staying, like it or not.
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Agreed. That's what I've said from the start.

We can afford to refuse his sale this summer if we really want to dig our heels in, but he can't afford to not play.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=keniget link=topic=33578.msg905257#msg905257 date=1247517715]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=33578.msg905254#msg905254 date=1247517608]
Normally you cant keep a player for fear of him simply not playing, he has to. Let's make the most of that by making it known if we dont get the fee we want he's staying, like it or not.
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Agreed. That's what I've said from the start.

We can afford to refuse his sale this summer if we really want to dig our heels in, but he can't afford to not play.
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Agreed X2.

If this "standoff" had to happen, this was the PERFECT time for it...
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

what do you realistically want to happen?

he will fetch a little over 30 mill which may include a swap.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

So Skully, is your new thing posting up tidbits without a source?
 
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