The incredible Xabi Alonso thread 2009.
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Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
[quote author=Anita link=topic=33578.msg889403#msg889403 date=1245165438]
I think with all these thoughts of death I might already be there, Count.
[/quote]I had to re-read that. I thought you were about to get banned!
[quote author=Anita link=topic=33578.msg889403#msg889403 date=1245165438]
I think with all these thoughts of death I might already be there, Count.
[/quote]I had to re-read that. I thought you were about to get banned!
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
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[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=33578.msg889286#msg889286 date=1245152255]
YES!!!
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[quote author=Anita link=topic=33578.msg889290#msg889290 date=1245152956]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=33578.msg889286#msg889286 date=1245152255]
YES!!!
From the Beeb website...
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Woot Woot!
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Fixed it for you..
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
Xabi keeping tight-lipped on future
by Toby Davis , 18 June 2009
Xabi Alonso has refused to be drawn on his future, prompting further questions about where he will be playing next season.
The Spain midfielder was asked a direct question following Wednesday’s Confederations Cup clash with Iraq as to whether he would be disappointed if he remained at Anfield after the summer.
But in what could be interpreted as an ominous sign for Reds fans he replied: “I cannot answer that. I have already said everything.â€
Alonso has been linked with a return to his homeland with big-spending Real Madrid openly admitting they were keen to recruit the playmaker.
Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez, however, has insisted that the Spaniard is not for sale at any price, prompting Madrid’s sporting director Jorge Valdano to admit they had given up the chase.
But the midfielder claimed lingering doubts about the future of many of Spain’s stars was not affecting their football.
"All we can do is train as normal,†he added in AS. "It is not something that we talk too much about. Everyone has their future to think about, but it does not create tension or nervousness in the group. We are very focused on our goal. "
http://www.setanta.com/uk/Articles/Football/2009/06/18/Prem-Alonso-on-future/gnid-57480/
Xabi keeping tight-lipped on future
by Toby Davis , 18 June 2009
Xabi Alonso has refused to be drawn on his future, prompting further questions about where he will be playing next season.
The Spain midfielder was asked a direct question following Wednesday’s Confederations Cup clash with Iraq as to whether he would be disappointed if he remained at Anfield after the summer.
But in what could be interpreted as an ominous sign for Reds fans he replied: “I cannot answer that. I have already said everything.â€
Alonso has been linked with a return to his homeland with big-spending Real Madrid openly admitting they were keen to recruit the playmaker.
Liverpool boss Rafa Benitez, however, has insisted that the Spaniard is not for sale at any price, prompting Madrid’s sporting director Jorge Valdano to admit they had given up the chase.
But the midfielder claimed lingering doubts about the future of many of Spain’s stars was not affecting their football.
"All we can do is train as normal,†he added in AS. "It is not something that we talk too much about. Everyone has their future to think about, but it does not create tension or nervousness in the group. We are very focused on our goal. "
http://www.setanta.com/uk/Articles/Football/2009/06/18/Prem-Alonso-on-future/gnid-57480/
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
Depends. It does tend to suggest he's still thinking of pastures new, but it also suggests he's not going to ask for a move, which is one of Rafa's conditions for selling him. Don't despair.
Depends. It does tend to suggest he's still thinking of pastures new, but it also suggests he's not going to ask for a move, which is one of Rafa's conditions for selling him. Don't despair.
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
Neets, we both want Alonso to stay, that's always been the case.
Unlike the Masch situation, I feel Alonso has a fair grievance against the club (well, Benitez) after last year.
True?
Neets, we both want Alonso to stay, that's always been the case.
Unlike the Masch situation, I feel Alonso has a fair grievance against the club (well, Benitez) after last year.
True?
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
Thinking about it further, he said he's already said what he wants to say and that was that he was looking forward to his 5th season as a Liverpool player. Maybe the refusal to comment on it was because he only wants to talk about Spain and not get drawn into other conversations.
Thinking about it further, he said he's already said what he wants to say and that was that he was looking forward to his 5th season as a Liverpool player. Maybe the refusal to comment on it was because he only wants to talk about Spain and not get drawn into other conversations.
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=33578.msg890813#msg890813 date=1245337804]
Neets, we both want Alonso to stay, that's always been the case.
Unlike the Masch situation, I feel Alonso has a fair grievance against the club (well, Benitez) after last year.
True?
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I agree, I just said that in the Mascherano thread. I'm just hoping the grievance isn't bigger than his desire to play for Liverpool.
And I think if we really want to keep him we have to go that extra mile to show that we want to keep him to compensate for trying to sell him last summer.
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=33578.msg890813#msg890813 date=1245337804]
Neets, we both want Alonso to stay, that's always been the case.
Unlike the Masch situation, I feel Alonso has a fair grievance against the club (well, Benitez) after last year.
True?
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I agree, I just said that in the Mascherano thread. I'm just hoping the grievance isn't bigger than his desire to play for Liverpool.
And I think if we really want to keep him we have to go that extra mile to show that we want to keep him to compensate for trying to sell him last summer.
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
McManaman was treated, if anything, worse, and he's now sneered at as 'McMoneyman'. I'm beginning to find this 'will he forgive the club for being so horrid' pretty tiresome. Going back to the Shankly era, players have been treated pretty brutally at times without being treated like saints for 'tolerating' playing on for LFC. Anyone would think Alonso is bigger than the club.
McManaman was treated, if anything, worse, and he's now sneered at as 'McMoneyman'. I'm beginning to find this 'will he forgive the club for being so horrid' pretty tiresome. Going back to the Shankly era, players have been treated pretty brutally at times without being treated like saints for 'tolerating' playing on for LFC. Anyone would think Alonso is bigger than the club.
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
No one's saying that G-Mak, but think of it how you will, it's a case of managing humans before managing them players (objects), the human needs to be kept happy. There is a lot more 'player power' in the game now, so if a player is unhappy they can determine where their future is. 'Treat them mean and keep them keen' is all very well but pointless if it means cutting your nose off despite your face and losing a player that you want to keep.
No one's saying that G-Mak, but think of it how you will, it's a case of managing humans before managing them players (objects), the human needs to be kept happy. There is a lot more 'player power' in the game now, so if a player is unhappy they can determine where their future is. 'Treat them mean and keep them keen' is all very well but pointless if it means cutting your nose off despite your face and losing a player that you want to keep.
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=33578.msg890834#msg890834 date=1245339261]
McManaman was treated, if anything, worse, and he's now sneered at as 'McMoneyman'. I'm beginning to find this 'will he forgive the club for being so horrid' pretty tiresome. Going back to the Shankly era, players have been treated pretty brutally at times without being treated like saints for 'tolerating' playing on for LFC. Anyone would think Alonso is bigger than the club.
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He was treated shabbily, but he was in poor form for the better part of two years, so he should really just take it on the chin. Ultimately it's acted as a kick up the arse of sorts and it's shown that there was cause for concern and room for improvement on his part, evidenced by his response on the pitch.
Like many, I'm just bored of this whole Masher/Alonso thing now. We're all moving in the one direction and ultimately if you're not with us then it's time to move on for the best of all concerned.
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=33578.msg890834#msg890834 date=1245339261]
McManaman was treated, if anything, worse, and he's now sneered at as 'McMoneyman'. I'm beginning to find this 'will he forgive the club for being so horrid' pretty tiresome. Going back to the Shankly era, players have been treated pretty brutally at times without being treated like saints for 'tolerating' playing on for LFC. Anyone would think Alonso is bigger than the club.
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He was treated shabbily, but he was in poor form for the better part of two years, so he should really just take it on the chin. Ultimately it's acted as a kick up the arse of sorts and it's shown that there was cause for concern and room for improvement on his part, evidenced by his response on the pitch.
Like many, I'm just bored of this whole Masher/Alonso thing now. We're all moving in the one direction and ultimately if you're not with us then it's time to move on for the best of all concerned.
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
[quote author=Anita link=topic=33578.msg890839#msg890839 date=1245339540]
No one's saying that G-Mak, but think of it how you will, it's a case of managing humans before managing them players (objects), the human needs to be kept happy. There is a lot more 'player power' in the game now, so if a player is unhappy they can determine where their future is. 'Treat them mean and keep them keen' is all very well but pointless if it means cutting your nose off despite your face and losing a player that you want to keep.
[/quote]You're making excuses for him Anita.
He was told he was surplus to requirements, but hes turned it round. Thats it really.
Rafa couldnt make it any clearer that he wants him.
[quote author=Anita link=topic=33578.msg890839#msg890839 date=1245339540]
No one's saying that G-Mak, but think of it how you will, it's a case of managing humans before managing them players (objects), the human needs to be kept happy. There is a lot more 'player power' in the game now, so if a player is unhappy they can determine where their future is. 'Treat them mean and keep them keen' is all very well but pointless if it means cutting your nose off despite your face and losing a player that you want to keep.
[/quote]You're making excuses for him Anita.
He was told he was surplus to requirements, but hes turned it round. Thats it really.
Rafa couldnt make it any clearer that he wants him.
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
[quote author=Anita link=topic=33578.msg890839#msg890839 date=1245339540]
No one's saying that G-Mak, but think of it how you will, it's a case of managing humans before managing them players (objects), the human needs to be kept happy. There is a lot more 'player power' in the game now, so if a player is unhappy they can determine where their future is. 'Treat them mean and keep them keen' is all very well but pointless if it means cutting your nose off despite your face and losing a player that you want to keep.
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I don't disagree, I just find the 'black versus white' moralisation of a dilemma that any manager faces when dealing with a limited budget a tad unfair. The idea that a cloven-hoofed Benitez is playing games while Saint Xabi suffers in silence is really tiresome. Singing Xabi's name last summer was great, but it's dragged on so long he now seems to matter more than the manager or the club. The fact he can't even say anything positive about his future here is beginning to really piss me off.
[quote author=Anita link=topic=33578.msg890839#msg890839 date=1245339540]
No one's saying that G-Mak, but think of it how you will, it's a case of managing humans before managing them players (objects), the human needs to be kept happy. There is a lot more 'player power' in the game now, so if a player is unhappy they can determine where their future is. 'Treat them mean and keep them keen' is all very well but pointless if it means cutting your nose off despite your face and losing a player that you want to keep.
[/quote]
I don't disagree, I just find the 'black versus white' moralisation of a dilemma that any manager faces when dealing with a limited budget a tad unfair. The idea that a cloven-hoofed Benitez is playing games while Saint Xabi suffers in silence is really tiresome. Singing Xabi's name last summer was great, but it's dragged on so long he now seems to matter more than the manager or the club. The fact he can't even say anything positive about his future here is beginning to really piss me off.
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
what would the harder rebuilding job?
liverpool losing alonso and masher?
or
manu losing tevez and ronaldo?
what would the harder rebuilding job?
liverpool losing alonso and masher?
or
manu losing tevez and ronaldo?
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=33578.msg890842#msg890842 date=1245339865]
Rafa couldnt make it any clearer that he wants him.
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I haven't disputed that. I've said if from this point he, or Mascherano, still leave, it's on them. As long as what's been done publically has also been maintained behind the scenes, LFC have done enough to show them both that they want them to stay if they still insist on leaving, then at least we can be reassured that we done all we could.
However, I will maintain that Rafa should go the extra length with Alonso to show he wants him to stay because, unlike Mascherano, it was Rafa who instigated Alonso moving on, so he should repair that damage.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=33578.msg890842#msg890842 date=1245339865]
Rafa couldnt make it any clearer that he wants him.
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I haven't disputed that. I've said if from this point he, or Mascherano, still leave, it's on them. As long as what's been done publically has also been maintained behind the scenes, LFC have done enough to show them both that they want them to stay if they still insist on leaving, then at least we can be reassured that we done all we could.
However, I will maintain that Rafa should go the extra length with Alonso to show he wants him to stay because, unlike Mascherano, it was Rafa who instigated Alonso moving on, so he should repair that damage.
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=33578.msg890842#msg890842 date=1245339865]
[quote author=Anita link=topic=33578.msg890839#msg890839 date=1245339540]
No one's saying that G-Mak, but think of it how you will, it's a case of managing humans before managing them players (objects), the human needs to be kept happy. There is a lot more 'player power' in the game now, so if a player is unhappy they can determine where their future is. 'Treat them mean and keep them keen' is all very well but pointless if it means cutting your nose off despite your face and losing a player that you want to keep.
[/quote]You're making excuses for him Anita.
He was told he was surplus to requirements, but hes turned it round. Thats it really.
Rafa couldnt make it any clearer that he wants him.
[/quote]
That last bit's the key thing, Rafa came out and made that statement of intent weeks ago, which lets face it is quite un-Rafa, if Alonso's still got the hump and can't be big enough to move on then that's his problem.
I want him to stay but this whole thing is becoming so fucking drawn out and boring, and it seems we've got the same situation with Masher.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=33578.msg890842#msg890842 date=1245339865]
[quote author=Anita link=topic=33578.msg890839#msg890839 date=1245339540]
No one's saying that G-Mak, but think of it how you will, it's a case of managing humans before managing them players (objects), the human needs to be kept happy. There is a lot more 'player power' in the game now, so if a player is unhappy they can determine where their future is. 'Treat them mean and keep them keen' is all very well but pointless if it means cutting your nose off despite your face and losing a player that you want to keep.
[/quote]You're making excuses for him Anita.
He was told he was surplus to requirements, but hes turned it round. Thats it really.
Rafa couldnt make it any clearer that he wants him.
[/quote]
That last bit's the key thing, Rafa came out and made that statement of intent weeks ago, which lets face it is quite un-Rafa, if Alonso's still got the hump and can't be big enough to move on then that's his problem.
I want him to stay but this whole thing is becoming so fucking drawn out and boring, and it seems we've got the same situation with Masher.
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=33578.msg890846#msg890846 date=1245340047]
[quote author=Anita link=topic=33578.msg890839#msg890839 date=1245339540]
No one's saying that G-Mak, but think of it how you will, it's a case of managing humans before managing them players (objects), the human needs to be kept happy. There is a lot more 'player power' in the game now, so if a player is unhappy they can determine where their future is. 'Treat them mean and keep them keen' is all very well but pointless if it means cutting your nose off despite your face and losing a player that you want to keep.
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I don't disagree, I just find the 'black versus white' moralisation of a dilemma that any manager faces when dealing with a limited budget a tad unfair. The idea that a cloven-hoofed Benitez is playing games while Saint Xabi suffers in silence is really tiresome. Singing Xabi's name last summer was great, but it's dragged on so long he now seems to matter more than the manager or the club. The fact he can't even say anything positive about his future here is beginning to really piss me off.
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Yeah, but he's saying nothing. He's not milking it, he's not courting the attention, instead he started the summer by saying he's looking forward to his 5th season here and has since tried to refrain from being drawn into anything.
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=33578.msg890846#msg890846 date=1245340047]
[quote author=Anita link=topic=33578.msg890839#msg890839 date=1245339540]
No one's saying that G-Mak, but think of it how you will, it's a case of managing humans before managing them players (objects), the human needs to be kept happy. There is a lot more 'player power' in the game now, so if a player is unhappy they can determine where their future is. 'Treat them mean and keep them keen' is all very well but pointless if it means cutting your nose off despite your face and losing a player that you want to keep.
[/quote]
I don't disagree, I just find the 'black versus white' moralisation of a dilemma that any manager faces when dealing with a limited budget a tad unfair. The idea that a cloven-hoofed Benitez is playing games while Saint Xabi suffers in silence is really tiresome. Singing Xabi's name last summer was great, but it's dragged on so long he now seems to matter more than the manager or the club. The fact he can't even say anything positive about his future here is beginning to really piss me off.
[/quote]
Yeah, but he's saying nothing. He's not milking it, he's not courting the attention, instead he started the summer by saying he's looking forward to his 5th season here and has since tried to refrain from being drawn into anything.
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
[quote author=Anita link=topic=33578.msg890853#msg890853 date=1245340300]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=33578.msg890846#msg890846 date=1245340047]
[quote author=Anita link=topic=33578.msg890839#msg890839 date=1245339540]
No one's saying that G-Mak, but think of it how you will, it's a case of managing humans before managing them players (objects), the human needs to be kept happy. There is a lot more 'player power' in the game now, so if a player is unhappy they can determine where their future is. 'Treat them mean and keep them keen' is all very well but pointless if it means cutting your nose off despite your face and losing a player that you want to keep.
[/quote]
I don't disagree, I just find the 'black versus white' moralisation of a dilemma that any manager faces when dealing with a limited budget a tad unfair. The idea that a cloven-hoofed Benitez is playing games while Saint Xabi suffers in silence is really tiresome. Singing Xabi's name last summer was great, but it's dragged on so long he now seems to matter more than the manager or the club. The fact he can't even say anything positive about his future here is beginning to really piss me off.
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Yeah, but he's saying nothing. He's not milking it, he's not courting the attention, instead he started the summer by saying he's looking forward to his 5th season here and has since tried to refrain from being drawn into anything.
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Sorry to cut in, but Rafa has said he wasnts Xabi to stay, Alonso has made clear he wants to stay. If Xabi is referring to his earlier comment saying he has nothing more to say, the situation is clear. I think he and Masher are angling for a pay rise.
[quote author=Anita link=topic=33578.msg890853#msg890853 date=1245340300]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=33578.msg890846#msg890846 date=1245340047]
[quote author=Anita link=topic=33578.msg890839#msg890839 date=1245339540]
No one's saying that G-Mak, but think of it how you will, it's a case of managing humans before managing them players (objects), the human needs to be kept happy. There is a lot more 'player power' in the game now, so if a player is unhappy they can determine where their future is. 'Treat them mean and keep them keen' is all very well but pointless if it means cutting your nose off despite your face and losing a player that you want to keep.
[/quote]
I don't disagree, I just find the 'black versus white' moralisation of a dilemma that any manager faces when dealing with a limited budget a tad unfair. The idea that a cloven-hoofed Benitez is playing games while Saint Xabi suffers in silence is really tiresome. Singing Xabi's name last summer was great, but it's dragged on so long he now seems to matter more than the manager or the club. The fact he can't even say anything positive about his future here is beginning to really piss me off.
[/quote]
Yeah, but he's saying nothing. He's not milking it, he's not courting the attention, instead he started the summer by saying he's looking forward to his 5th season here and has since tried to refrain from being drawn into anything.
[/quote]
Sorry to cut in, but Rafa has said he wasnts Xabi to stay, Alonso has made clear he wants to stay. If Xabi is referring to his earlier comment saying he has nothing more to say, the situation is clear. I think he and Masher are angling for a pay rise.
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
[quote author=rage link=topic=33578.msg891319#msg891319 date=1245407760]
that's the attitude xabi lad, slap that benitez in the face like he did to you last season. hope it teaches our beloved dictator a lesson
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Now Rage, I know you couldn't possibly get satisfaction out of Xabi leaving, in that it would somehow teach Rafa a lesson?
[quote author=rage link=topic=33578.msg891319#msg891319 date=1245407760]
that's the attitude xabi lad, slap that benitez in the face like he did to you last season. hope it teaches our beloved dictator a lesson
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Now Rage, I know you couldn't possibly get satisfaction out of Xabi leaving, in that it would somehow teach Rafa a lesson?
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
[quote author=rage link=topic=33578.msg891319#msg891319 date=1245407760]
that's the attitude xabi lad, slap that benitez in the face like he did to you last season. hope it teaches our beloved dictator a lesson
[/quote]Regardless of your opinion of Rafa. That is one of the dumbest posts ever. Its almost offensively myopic.
You would rather Xabi becomes your instrument of revenge than we go into the biggest campaign in years with a stable and happy squad!
Youre a dick.
[quote author=rage link=topic=33578.msg891319#msg891319 date=1245407760]
that's the attitude xabi lad, slap that benitez in the face like he did to you last season. hope it teaches our beloved dictator a lesson
[/quote]Regardless of your opinion of Rafa. That is one of the dumbest posts ever. Its almost offensively myopic.
You would rather Xabi becomes your instrument of revenge than we go into the biggest campaign in years with a stable and happy squad!
Youre a dick.
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
i'd rather alonso stayed but like most i'll take 30 million and hope rafa's learned a lesson here that these players are human and that his actions as a manager has consequences.
no idea who we'd replace him with though and if some idiot comes along and claims lucas can do the job they're clearly off their head.
oh and herr come on try and develop a sense of humour it is silly season after all.
i'd rather alonso stayed but like most i'll take 30 million and hope rafa's learned a lesson here that these players are human and that his actions as a manager has consequences.
no idea who we'd replace him with though and if some idiot comes along and claims lucas can do the job they're clearly off their head.
oh and herr come on try and develop a sense of humour it is silly season after all.
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
Gotta love our players suddenly turning into a bunch of cocks once they hear about Real/Barca's interest, all for their 5 minutes of self-importance, no doubt Alonso and Masch will declare their love for the club and their focus on the coming season after the confeds cup is over.
Arby has a valid excuse, Alonso is just being controversial if he's said that in the tone it looks like "ooh look at me," yes he has had a great season, but surely he understands he was being shipped out last season as he had been gash for a good while. Masch, masked indeed, masking the whoring of himself out to Barcelona via his agent, and unless its just to get better terms on his contract, I don't like it at all. He was "rescued" from West Ham not so long ago, Rafa went through the two bellends to get his loan move permanent not so long ago, he made all the right noises not so long ago, so at the first sign of another big side in for him, he authorises a flirt away.
Gotta love our players suddenly turning into a bunch of cocks once they hear about Real/Barca's interest, all for their 5 minutes of self-importance, no doubt Alonso and Masch will declare their love for the club and their focus on the coming season after the confeds cup is over.
Arby has a valid excuse, Alonso is just being controversial if he's said that in the tone it looks like "ooh look at me," yes he has had a great season, but surely he understands he was being shipped out last season as he had been gash for a good while. Masch, masked indeed, masking the whoring of himself out to Barcelona via his agent, and unless its just to get better terms on his contract, I don't like it at all. He was "rescued" from West Ham not so long ago, Rafa went through the two bellends to get his loan move permanent not so long ago, he made all the right noises not so long ago, so at the first sign of another big side in for him, he authorises a flirt away.
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez
Yes, wouldn't it be amusing to lose a top player just ato annoy our manager.
Yes, wouldn't it be amusing to lose a top player just ato annoy our manager.
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