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The incredible Xabi Alonso thread 2009.

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33578.msg891540#msg891540 date=1245422856]
xabi was in a slump, rafa wanted to sell xabi for a lot, buy barry for peanuts and put the difference towards other signings.

the. fucking. end.


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not quite - rafa was proven to be wrong and now xabi is pissed at his manager failing to stand by him - still not the end though, we'll find out soon enough if he stays or not
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33578.msg891540#msg891540 date=1245422856]
xabi was in a slump, rafa wanted to sell xabi for a lot, buy barry for peanuts and put the difference towards other signings.

the. fucking. end.
[/quote]

Barry was going to cost us more than Alonso would've brought in, so that's not really an accurate summary... at all.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=keniget link=topic=33578.msg891566#msg891566 date=1245424751]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33578.msg891540#msg891540 date=1245422856]
xabi was in a slump, rafa wanted to sell xabi for a lot, buy barry for peanuts and put the difference towards other signings.

the. fucking. end.
[/quote]

Barry was going to cost us more than Alonso would've brought in, so that's not really an accurate summary... at all.
[/quote]
Thats still what Rafa wanted to do.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=keniget link=topic=33578.msg891566#msg891566 date=1245424751]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33578.msg891540#msg891540 date=1245422856]
xabi was in a slump, rafa wanted to sell xabi for a lot, buy barry for peanuts and put the difference towards other signings.

the. fucking. end.
[/quote]




Barry was going to cost us more than Alonso would've brought in, so that's not really an accurate summary... at all.
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that's what he wanted to do not his (rafa) fault MON ended up being an arse over barry and juve refused to meet our valutional of xabi (bet they are fucking KICKING themselves now).
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=33578.msg891582#msg891582 date=1245426004]
Thats still what Rafa wanted to do.
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No it's not because it wasn't going to ever be the case, so there was no point in planning for it.

It's no different to saying "well, he wanted to sell Alonso for £1bn and buy Kaka for 20p".
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=keniget link=topic=33578.msg891619#msg891619 date=1245427879]
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=33578.msg891582#msg891582 date=1245426004]
Thats still what Rafa wanted to do.
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No it's not because it wasn't going to ever be the case, so there was no point in planning for it.

It's no different to saying "well, he wanted to sell Alonso for £1bn and buy Kaka for 20p".
[/quote]
He wanted to buy Barry for £15M and sell Alonso for circa £16-18M
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=rage link=topic=33578.msg891533#msg891533 date=1245422158]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=33578.msg891516#msg891516 date=1245421119]
[quote author=rage link=topic=33578.msg891473#msg891473 date=1245417661]
but 9 months earlier he'd tried flogging him to some backwater in turkey. what were the words to our anthem again? don't remember a line in there about ditching you 'cos you wanted to stay at home for the birth of your first child and spending a season fighting back from injury.
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Oh right, so no Liverpool manager can contemplate working on a limited budget by sacrificing a player who'll fetch a big fee? YNWA means signing everyone up until retirement? Extraordinary. It's soap opera madness.
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who said anything about retirement? as for limited budget whatever! your comments are more soap opera madness - i was merely referring to his injury ravaged season and the obvious fallout over his wive giving birth
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I'd like to know what that fall out actually was. It has been taken as a given that it has festered ever since, even though it sounded like little more than a moan by a highly pressured manager who hadn't been told until the last minute what a key player was doing. That's usually something sorted out behind the scenes very quickly. Both acted properly, one for the club and the other for his family. What's left? Your all-purpose YNWA policy to attack a manager whenever any player isn't treated like a king? No Liverpool manager would survive such a criterion.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=keniget link=topic=33578.msg891625#msg891625 date=1245428390]
Repeat it a few more times.
[/quote]
Its Parry's fault anyway.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

Thank god the internet wasn't around in Shankly's time. 'That bastard ignored [fill in name of favourite player] because he was injured! The man's a disgrace!' I know times have changed but this trend towards favouring players above the club is a step too far.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=33578.msg891399#msg891399 date=1245413269]
[quote author=rage link=topic=33578.msg891331#msg891331 date=1245408562]
i'd rather alonso stayed but like most i'll take 30 million and hope rafa's learned a lesson here that these players are human and that his actions as a manager has consequences.

no idea who we'd replace him with though and if some idiot comes along and claims lucas can do the job they're clearly off their head.

oh and herr come on try and develop a sense of humour it is silly season after all.
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I'd suggest you and Xabi do some fucking growing up then.

Rafa's come out and expressed his desire for Xabi to stay and reiterated that the club 'wants' him to stay.

Whatever method Rafa used last season, Xabi had been in poor form for the best part of two seasons and was rightly under pressure for it, he's turned it round and everyone was seemingly a winner. Carrying on this grudge is playground stuff, it's pathetic. Rafa made a mistake but has now done all he can to request Xabi stays. It's Alonso who's acting like a cock now, he owes something in the way of honesty to the fans at least, instead of using the club as some stick to beat Rafa with. If the club don't matter in all of this and all he's arsed about is his bruised ego, he can fuck off back to Spain as far as I'm concerned.
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Exactly.

He may have had a point to prove, and he did it in a BIG way.

Rafa has no problem eating humble pie when it's for the good of the team; if Rafa had a real issue with him he'd still be trying to flog him off this window.

He hasn't; and he clearly wants him to stay.

So if Xabi wants to get back at him again, well, that's his wish.

I still think he's not off tho.

It's a bit frustrating tho; Rafa should be looking at new players, not be forced to try to keep existing ones happy.

FUCK.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=33578.msg891402#msg891402 date=1245413650]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33578.msg891400#msg891400 date=1245413470]
if xabi does indeed fuck off then he is using his treatment last year as an excuse. After a sustained slump what did he expect rafa to do? He should couldn't himself lucky rafa usually looks to get rid after ONE poor season never mind two.
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He's using it now and milking it for all it's worth. If he wants to go he should just have the balls to say it, instead of worrying about looking like a cunt, the fans aren't stupid, they know he's not being forced out, he plays for the club at the end of the day, and those fans that watch him every week and who supported him through last Summer's troubles, deserve MUCH better.
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You seem to be going uncharacteristically over the top with this whole Xabi affair mark. It's just a couple of quotes taken a little out of context, and used to make some headlines.

Xabi was mistreated by Rafa last season, and it would be perfectly understandable if he felt his situation here was untenable as a result. He may well be torn between wanting to stay at the club but concerned about his relationship with the manager going forward. There could be any number of reasons for the current stalemate. Whatever the case, we have no hard evidence to support any particular scenario.

What we do know however, is that Xabi played like a dream this season, and whatever happens, he'll have done the club a massive favour - whether it be by committing to the club or generating a sizable sum of money to fund new signings.

I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt until we have something a little more damning than media spin.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=33578.msg891626#msg891626 date=1245428432]
[quote author=rage link=topic=33578.msg891533#msg891533 date=1245422158]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=33578.msg891516#msg891516 date=1245421119]
[quote author=rage link=topic=33578.msg891473#msg891473 date=1245417661]
but 9 months earlier he'd tried flogging him to some backwater in turkey. what were the words to our anthem again? don't remember a line in there about ditching you 'cos you wanted to stay at home for the birth of your first child and spending a season fighting back from injury.
[/quote]

Oh right, so no Liverpool manager can contemplate working on a limited budget by sacrificing a player who'll fetch a big fee? YNWA means signing everyone up until retirement? Extraordinary. It's soap opera madness.
[/quote]


who said anything about retirement? as for limited budget whatever! your comments are more soap opera madness - i was merely referring to his injury ravaged season and the obvious fallout over his wive giving birth
[/quote]

I'd like to know what that fall out actually was. It has been taken as a given that it has festered ever since, even though it sounded like little more than a moan by a highly pressured manager who hadn't been told until the last minute what a key player was doing. That's usually something sorted out behind the scenes very quickly. Both acted properly, one for the club and the other for his family. What's left? Your all-purpose YNWA policy to attack a manager whenever any player isn't treated like a king? No Liverpool manager would survive such a criterion.
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Absolutely right. Shankly couldn't even bring himself to look at players who were injured. If you couldn't run onto the pitch for LFC you were contemptible. It wasn't really on in fairness, but it showed precisely were his priorities lay.

Player > LFC
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=33578.msg891699#msg891699 date=1245447330]
Absolutely right. Shankly couldn't even bring himself to look at players who were injured. If you couldn't run onto the pitch for LFC you were contemptible. It wasn't really on in fairness, but it showed precisely were his priorities lay.

Player > LFC


[/quote]

< surely?
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=leftpeg link=topic=33578.msg891704#msg891704 date=1245447529]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=33578.msg891699#msg891699 date=1245447330]
Absolutely right. Shankly couldn't even bring himself to look at players who were injured. If you couldn't run onto the pitch for LFC you were contemptible. It wasn't really on in fairness, but it showed precisely were his priorities lay.

Player > LFC


[/quote]

< surely?
[/quote]He drinks on a friday.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=33578.msg891706#msg891706 date=1245447593]
[quote author=leftpeg link=topic=33578.msg891704#msg891704 date=1245447529]
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=33578.msg891699#msg891699 date=1245447330]
Absolutely right. Shankly couldn't even bring himself to look at players who were injured. If you couldn't run onto the pitch for LFC you were contemptible. It wasn't really on in fairness, but it showed precisely were his priorities lay.

Player > LFC


[/quote]

< surely?
[/quote]He drinks on a friday.
[/quote]

Erm. I was being ironic and that. Honest.





















And I might have had one or two snifters.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=33578.msg891682#msg891682 date=1245444547]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=33578.msg891402#msg891402 date=1245413650]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33578.msg891400#msg891400 date=1245413470]
if xabi does indeed fuck off then he is using his treatment last year as an excuse. After a sustained slump what did he expect rafa to do? He should couldn't himself lucky rafa usually looks to get rid after ONE poor season never mind two.
[/quote]

He's using it now and milking it for all it's worth. If he wants to go he should just have the balls to say it, instead of worrying about looking like a cunt, the fans aren't stupid, they know he's not being forced out, he plays for the club at the end of the day, and those fans that watch him every week and who supported him through last Summer's troubles, deserve MUCH better.
[/quote]

You seem to be going uncharacteristically over the top with this whole Xabi affair mark. It's just a couple of quotes taken a little out of context, and used to make some headlines.

Xabi was mistreated by Rafa last season, and it would be perfectly understandable if he felt his situation here was untenable as a result. He may well be torn between wanting to stay at the club but concerned about his relationship with the manager going forward. There could be any number of reasons for the current stalemate. Whatever the case, we have no hard evidence to support any particular scenario.

What we do know however, is that Xabi played like a dream this season, and whatever happens, he'll have done the club a massive favour - whether it be by committing to the club or generating a sizable sum of money to fund new signings.

I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt until we have something a little more damning than media spin.
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I don't beleive this crap about xabi being mistreated, the club in bigger than the player and Rafa was entitled to consider him after his perforamance the season before wasn't to the same standard that we thought it was. Now he silence or odd random remarks now are not helpful at all.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

Quite. Benitez was the one who signed Alonso, gave him the chance to play for a bigger club, on bigger wages, in bigger games. He was the one who believed in him. Now Benitez is depicted as if he's the only person who doesn't realise what a good player Alonso is. Talk about condescending! And as for 'last summer', well, it's that old advice: 'Don't take it personally'. Michael Owen won far more games for us than Xabi ever did and he's now treated atrociously by some of the fans who have elevated Xabi to sainthood. I hope they realise if he goes now it's for money, and they don't try to excuse his actions by claiming the poor little lamb had his feelings hurt.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=33578.msg891816#msg891816 date=1245490868]
Quite. Benitez was the one who signed Alonso, gave him the chance to play for a bigger club, on bigger wages, in bigger games. He was the one who believed in him. Now Benitez is depicted as if he's the only person who doesn't realise what a good player Alonso is. Talk about condescending! And as for 'last summer', well, it's that old advice: 'Don't take it personally'. Michael Owen won far more games for us than Xabi ever did and he's now treated atrociously by some of the fans who have elevated Xabi to sainthood. I hope they realise if he goes now it's for money, and they don't try to excuse his actions by claiming the poor little lamb had his feelings hurt.
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I agree. Peiople are very qiock to forget that Alonso's form had dropped significantly since his first season here. THe possibilty of him leaving last summer was more to do with a belief that Alonso was in decline at the club and a new challenge might be in everyone's best interests.

It didn't happen and Alonso had a great season. Maybe the thought of being sold helped focus his mind and get his form back, who knows. It's often said that some players need a friendly hug and some encouragement to perform. Others however, just need a good old fashioned toe up the arse. Maybe Alonso needed that and it worked.

Benitez has been very clear about his desire to keep Alonso. It's up to Xabi now. If he wants to go, thane fair enough, but no bullshit and lets rape whomever for as much cash as possible
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

'The canonisation of St.Alonso'
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

People (mentalists like rage aside) are simply saying that they can understand why Alonso would want to leave after last summer. He can't have taken it *that* personally because he put in a top season for us and gave his all as usual. Now that we've come to the summer, he's not making any crazy comments in the press or anything like that - he's just keeping his cards close to his chest. I think he's entitled to that personally.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=33578.msg891826#msg891826 date=1245492021]
'The canonisation of St.Alonso'
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don't you mean the 'retcon' of St.Alonso
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

I don't buy into the 'personal' aspect of this at all.
Rafa is interested in results, not being buddies with his squad and I'm sure the players are professional enough to accept that. Alonso's been here five years, you'd assume he understands how the boss operates.

I don't want Alonso to leave because I firmly believe his departure will weaken the side.
It's not canonising a player to realise that losing him is a negative move, particularly as Mascherano appears to be on the move too. There's a huge amount of media spin at the moment and nobody except Alonso himself knows what he wants.

We were four points off the title last month, four points.
We finished the season optimistically and gunning for a real go at the title next year.
I don't care how much Real and Barca offer for Alonso and Masher, I want to know who is going to keep the show on the road in 2009/10. We currently have a midfield Fergie would kill for.

Maybe it's silly season mentality but if we'd been faced with the prospect of losing both players in January can you just imagine the apoplexy?
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=33578.msg891816#msg891816 date=1245490868]
Quite. Benitez was the one who signed Alonso, gave him the chance to play for a bigger club, on bigger wages, in bigger games. He was the one who believed in him. Now Benitez is depicted as if he's the only person who doesn't realise what a good player Alonso is. Talk about condescending! And as for 'last summer', well, it's that old advice: 'Don't take it personally'. Michael Owen won far more games for us than Xabi ever did and he's now treated atrociously by some of the fans who have elevated Xabi to sainthood. I hope they realise if he goes now it's for money, and they don't try to excuse his actions by claiming the poor little lamb had his feelings hurt.
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While Benitez should be congratulated for picking up Alonso at a relatively cheap price (and under the noses of Real Madrid), I don't think you could argue that he took a giant leap of faith in signing him. If Alonso hadn't been given a chance here, he would have signed for Madrid the same season who waited until too late to show their hand. He wasn't plucked out of obscurity, he was one of the finest midfield talents in Europe.

What's more, if Benitez wanted to sell Alonso last season, and felt that he could find a better replacement with the funds he generated, then that's his prerogative. He's the manager and lives or dies by his decisions. Nobody is disputing that. It was the public manner in which he went about doing it which I don't agree with. No player is bigger than the club, but that doesn't mean you have to treat an excellent servant and model professional like shit. It was humiliating and disrespectful. Last summer, that was the general consensus here, too. It's funny how the usual media spin and general apprehension surrounding transfers has seen such a dramatic U-turn in forum opinions.

If Xabi feels his situation here is untenable then I think he's well within his rights to feel that way. He hasn't come out and quashed rumours about his future here, but equally, he hasn't said anything to disrespect the club or the manager. Certainly not to the same extent that Benitez disrespected him last summer. If he desperately wanted to leave, he would have manufactured a move for himself by now. It could well be that he feels a strong attachment to the club but cannot reconcile his relationship with the manager, who knows. All this Xabi negativity is largely based on impatience and presumption and is wholly symptomatic of silly season.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

A genuine question, would Paisley or Shankly have "consulted the player" ?
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=33578.msg891966#msg891966 date=1245506122]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=33578.msg891816#msg891816 date=1245490868]
Quite. Benitez was the one who signed Alonso, gave him the chance to play for a bigger club, on bigger wages, in bigger games. He was the one who believed in him. Now Benitez is depicted as if he's the only person who doesn't realise what a good player Alonso is. Talk about condescending! And as for 'last summer', well, it's that old advice: 'Don't take it personally'. Michael Owen won far more games for us than Xabi ever did and he's now treated atrociously by some of the fans who have elevated Xabi to sainthood. I hope they realise if he goes now it's for money, and they don't try to excuse his actions by claiming the poor little lamb had his feelings hurt.
[/quote]He didn't consult the player, he simply whored him around Europe like he meant nothing at all.
[/quote]I dont believe that for a second.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=33578.msg891970#msg891970 date=1245506299]
A genuine question, would Paisley or Shankly have "consulted the player" ?
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What does it matter? When it suits, people go on about how times have changed and football has moved on. Then it's "well, back in the day...".

That point was the weak spot in Del's post that yeah, can definitely be picked at, but aside from that he was spot on.
 
Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

If Xabi felt upset at how Rafa treated him last summer, he must be slightly off to think of a move to Real Madrid. I know there are political reasons on why Robben is being sidelined, but imagine our head of the academy or whatever coming up with a threat like this for our player of the season.


The club's director general, Jorge Valdano, has admitted: "It would be better if Robben listened to the offers coming in for him." And it has now emerged that he has threatened the Dutchman with the possibility of being banished to the stands in a World Cup year if he insists on staying. Robben risks being left without a squad number and not being registered for La Liga or the Champions League.
 
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