The incredible Xabi Alonso thread 2009.

[Farkmaster]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=33578.msg884081#msg884081 date=1244456659]
Christ, it's what happens at clubs, particularly when we have owners like this and stretched budgets like this. The idea it was a unique case of dark forces threatening an angelic figure is really getting to be tiresome now. Liverpool managers before Benitez were just as ruthless. Players got on with things. Of course I didn't like it and of course I want Alonso to stay, but this cartoon morality on here is just getting silly.
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Agreed... but I don't think our budget will prove stretched once the summers done (in terms of player purchases only).

Again, with some big clubs spending big, it'll be a reactive season, where since we want big additions, we are waiting for movement from other clubs.

 

[rage]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=33578.msg884081#msg884081 date=1244456659]
Christ, it's what happens at clubs, particularly when we have owners like this and stretched budgets like this. The idea it was a unique case of dark forces threatening an angelic figure is really getting to be tiresome now. Liverpool managers before Benitez were just as ruthless. Players got on with things. Of course I didn't like it and of course I want Alonso to stay, but this cartoon morality on here is just getting silly.
[/quote]

its not about cartoon morality its about an arrogant manager who feels he can behave in a certain manner without repercussions. Alonso wanting to leave is not something that is in isolation of the disgusting way rafa touted him last summer.

yes Alonso wasn't his usual standard for 2 seasons BUT then rafa's been trophyless for 3 seasons now as well, does that now mean rafa is only good enough to manage some mid table team in turkey?

our players are not robots, the actions or indeed inactions of the manager has an impact on them.

i personally think alonso will leave and if rafa thinks lucas can fill the void left then perhaps he is only fit to manage in turkey.

 

[Farkmaster]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=rage link=topic=33578.msg884094#msg884094 date=1244457288]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=33578.msg884081#msg884081 date=1244456659]
Christ, it's what happens at clubs, particularly when we have owners like this and stretched budgets like this. The idea it was a unique case of dark forces threatening an angelic figure is really getting to be tiresome now. Liverpool managers before Benitez were just as ruthless. Players got on with things. Of course I didn't like it and of course I want Alonso to stay, but this cartoon morality on here is just getting silly.
[/quote]

its not about cartoon morality its about an arrogant manager who feels he can behave in a certain manner without repercussions. Alonso wanting to leave is not something that is in isolation of the disgusting way rafa touted him last summer.

yes Alonso wasn't his usual standard for 2 seasons BUT then rafa's been trophyless for 3 seasons now as well, does that now mean rafa is only good enough to manage some mid table team in turkey?

our players are not robots, the actions or indeed inactions of the manager has an impact on them.

i personally think alonso will leave and if rafa thinks lucas can fill the void left then perhaps he is only fit to manage in turkey.
[/quote]

He's not an arrogant manager, he's one that may have been proven wrong based on a player underperforming. You can't possibly think he should be sentimental in his approach, so all you are doing is bleating on with the benefit of hindsight. You could just as impotently muse about what Alonso's performance would have been like with little to prove to a manager that didn't react to his sub par performances.

If Alonso does go, yes it'll be partly down to last seasons activity, but he's hardly been so hard done by.

 

[rage]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=33578.msg884096#msg884096 date=1244457566]
[quote author=rage link=topic=33578.msg884094#msg884094 date=1244457288]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=33578.msg884081#msg884081 date=1244456659]
Christ, it's what happens at clubs, particularly when we have owners like this and stretched budgets like this. The idea it was a unique case of dark forces threatening an angelic figure is really getting to be tiresome now. Liverpool managers before Benitez were just as ruthless. Players got on with things. Of course I didn't like it and of course I want Alonso to stay, but this cartoon morality on here is just getting silly.
[/quote]

its not about cartoon morality its about an arrogant manager who feels he can behave in a certain manner without repercussions. Alonso wanting to leave is not something that is in isolation of the disgusting way rafa touted him last summer.

yes Alonso wasn't his usual standard for 2 seasons BUT then rafa's been trophyless for 3 seasons now as well, does that now mean rafa is only good enough to manage some mid table team in turkey?

our players are not robots, the actions or indeed inactions of the manager has an impact on them.

i personally think alonso will leave and if rafa thinks lucas can fill the void left then perhaps he is only fit to manage in turkey.
[/quote]

He's not an arrogant manager, he's one that may have been proven wrong based on a player underperforming. You can't possibly think he should be sentimental in his approach, so all you are doing is bleating on with the benefit of hindsight. You could just as impotently muse about what Alonso's performance would have been like with little to prove to a manager that didn't react to his sub par performances.

If Alonso does go, yes it'll be partly down to last seasons activity, but he's hardly been so hard done by.
[/quote]

come on he has been proven wrong there's no maybe whatsoever.

 

[Jürgen4PM]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

So would anyone take the reported £22m + Alvaro Negredo?

 

[rage]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

depends on who will play alonso's role. the last thing i want to see is starting again with a new system that'll take us til xmas to get sorted at least

 

[Farkmaster]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=rage link=topic=33578.msg884098#msg884098 date=1244457875]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=33578.msg884096#msg884096 date=1244457566]
[quote author=rage link=topic=33578.msg884094#msg884094 date=1244457288]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=33578.msg884081#msg884081 date=1244456659]
Christ, it's what happens at clubs, particularly when we have owners like this and stretched budgets like this. The idea it was a unique case of dark forces threatening an angelic figure is really getting to be tiresome now. Liverpool managers before Benitez were just as ruthless. Players got on with things. Of course I didn't like it and of course I want Alonso to stay, but this cartoon morality on here is just getting silly.
[/quote]

its not about cartoon morality its about an arrogant manager who feels he can behave in a certain manner without repercussions. Alonso wanting to leave is not something that is in isolation of the disgusting way rafa touted him last summer.

yes Alonso wasn't his usual standard for 2 seasons BUT then rafa's been trophyless for 3 seasons now as well, does that now mean rafa is only good enough to manage some mid table team in turkey?

our players are not robots, the actions or indeed inactions of the manager has an impact on them.

i personally think alonso will leave and if rafa thinks lucas can fill the void left then perhaps he is only fit to manage in turkey.
[/quote]

He's not an arrogant manager, he's one that may have been proven wrong based on a player underperforming. You can't possibly think he should be sentimental in his approach, so all you are doing is bleating on with the benefit of hindsight. You could just as impotently muse about what Alonso's performance would have been like with little to prove to a manager that didn't react to his sub par performances.

If Alonso does go, yes it'll be partly down to last seasons activity, but he's hardly been so hard done by.
[/quote]

come on he has been proven wrong there's no maybe whatsoever.
[/quote]

You can be wrong in hindsight and still make the best choice with the information available at the time.

 

[rage]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=33578.msg884106#msg884106 date=1244458628]
[quote author=rage link=topic=33578.msg884098#msg884098 date=1244457875]
[quote author=Farkmaster link=topic=33578.msg884096#msg884096 date=1244457566]
[quote author=rage link=topic=33578.msg884094#msg884094 date=1244457288]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=33578.msg884081#msg884081 date=1244456659]
Christ, it's what happens at clubs, particularly when we have owners like this and stretched budgets like this. The idea it was a unique case of dark forces threatening an angelic figure is really getting to be tiresome now. Liverpool managers before Benitez were just as ruthless. Players got on with things. Of course I didn't like it and of course I want Alonso to stay, but this cartoon morality on here is just getting silly.
[/quote]

its not about cartoon morality its about an arrogant manager who feels he can behave in a certain manner without repercussions. Alonso wanting to leave is not something that is in isolation of the disgusting way rafa touted him last summer.

yes Alonso wasn't his usual standard for 2 seasons BUT then rafa's been trophyless for 3 seasons now as well, does that now mean rafa is only good enough to manage some mid table team in turkey?

our players are not robots, the actions or indeed inactions of the manager has an impact on them.

i personally think alonso will leave and if rafa thinks lucas can fill the void left then perhaps he is only fit to manage in turkey.
[/quote]

He's not an arrogant manager, he's one that may have been proven wrong based on a player underperforming. You can't possibly think he should be sentimental in his approach, so all you are doing is bleating on with the benefit of hindsight. You could just as impotently muse about what Alonso's performance would have been like with little to prove to a manager that didn't react to his sub par performances.

If Alonso does go, yes it'll be partly down to last seasons activity, but he's hardly been so hard done by.
[/quote]

come on he has been proven wrong there's no maybe whatsoever.
[/quote]

You can be wrong in hindsight and still make the best choice with the information available at the time.
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u sure can, i completely agree with that. and the ability not to do this is what seperates the best managers from the not quite good enough

 

[Buddha]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=33578.msg884101#msg884101 date=1244458001]
So would anyone take the reported £22m + Alvaro Negredo?





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In an inflated market we should be demanding 35m for Xabi, no less.

If Negredo is good value at 13m (and we need quality back-up for Torres) then why not?

 

[Squiggles]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

If Xabi really is determined to leave, a fair price is around £25M but we should hold out for as much as possible, obv.

I've never seen Negredo play so am in position to comment, although his goal-scoring record is meant to be very impressive. I'm always wary of swap-deals/player + cash deals though, because I think you're inclined to accept something you wouldn't otherwise be interested in, and I fear that's what could happen.

I'd prefer the hard cash.

 

[LadyRed]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

*yawn*

 

[darkstarexodus]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=rage link=topic=33578.msg884094#msg884094 date=1244457288]yes Alonso wasn't his usual standard for 2 seasons BUT then rafa's been trophyless for 3 seasons now as well, does that now mean rafa is only good enough to manage some mid table team in turkey?
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Pretty stupid comparison since we were shopping Alonso to Real and Juventus last year...

 

[Peatcheo]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

Real are such cunts, who the fuck is Negredo?

 

[SaintGeorge67]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

If it's who I'm thinking of, they have to buy him back so they can sell him to us or something equally interesting.

 

[Glock21]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=33578.msg884101#msg884101 date=1244458001]
So would anyone take the reported £22m + Alvaro Negredo?

[/quote]

Yup. Better still. Plus Negredo scored quite a lot of goals last season for Almeria. We can do with him in the team and use the 22 mil to sign someone like Steven Defour and Hamsik.

 

[Wilko7]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=33578.msg884618#msg884618 date=1244503714]
If it's who I'm thinking of, they have to buy him back so they can sell him to us or something equally interesting.
[/quote]

Or equally ridiculous.

 

[rage]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=darkstarexodus link=topic=33578.msg884591#msg884591 date=1244499426]
[quote author=rage link=topic=33578.msg884094#msg884094 date=1244457288]yes Alonso wasn't his usual standard for 2 seasons BUT then rafa's been trophyless for 3 seasons now as well, does that now mean rafa is only good enough to manage some mid table team in turkey?
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Pretty stupid comparison since we were shopping Alonso to Real and Juventus last year...
[/quote]

you'll find rafa tried selling him to some turkish team also

 

[Peatcheo]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=Anita link=topic=33578.msg884412#msg884412 date=1244477872]
*yawn*
[/quote]


Real Madrid Give Up Chase For Liverpool Star Xabi Alonso
Florentino Perez admits that attempting to lure Xabi Alonso to the Bernabeu could be a lost cause...
9 Jun 2009 21:55:44

Hot on the tail of securing the services of Brazilian star Kaka for an impressive six years, newly appointed Real Madrid president Florentino Perez spoke to Telemadrid about the players that he has been linked with of late.

Perez admitted that Los Blancos are looking to bring in an estimated six new players, but the 62-year-old conceded that attempts to sign Liverpool midfielder and Spain international Xabi Alonso could be entirely in vain.

"He [Xabi Alonso] is a great player but he also plays in a big team and I haven't heard any news that they plan to sell him," he said.

"It's obvious that [liverpool manager Rafael] Benitez is counting on keeping him. That's normal, he's a good player and it wouldn't be easy to replace him."

Since taking over, Perez has openly laid his cards on the table when it comes to his intentions in the Spanish capital. The honcho stated that at least nine players are regarded as dead weight, and will be let go as he looks to continue rebuilding the club in a glamourous fashion.

"The squad has 28 players. We can bring in six new and only register 25," he concluded.

Here you go Anita, good news in this thread.

 

[SummerOnions]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

Hardly merited its own thread so:

Alvaro Negredo has revealed that if he is forced to leave Real Madrid then Liverpool or Valencia would be great destinations, but his first choice is stay at the Bernabeu.

The 23-year-old striker has been bought back by Los Merengues after two years with Almeria and there is some confusion about whether he will stay or be sold as part of another deal.

Reports have linked Negredo with an immediate move away from the Spanish capital, but the player himself wants to show that he could be the forward that Madrid need if he is given the chance.

"I am delighted that they are going exercise it because my dream is to triumph in Madrid," he told AS.

"I still do not know what will happen, but the fact they have decided to buy me back is testament to my work over the last two seasons that I feel has been good.

"Now I want to stay with Madrid.

"He [Florentino Perez] called me to tell me of the intention to exercise the buy-back clause. He told me to rest and that when I returned we would see what happens.
Option
"My first option is to stay, but we will have to see how many forwards there are at Madrid. For a player like me, who comes from the youth team, it is difficult to win a place.

"What I need is to play games and I want to be able to do that with Madrid."

Valencia are reported to want Negredo as part of a deal that could see David Villa head to Real Madrid and the young striker would not object if the Mestalla was his new home.

"If I do have to go then Valencia would a great option. They are a big club and they have Unai Emery as coach, who I had a great relationship with at Almeria," he continued.

"Whatever happens, if Madrid do not want me I will not see myself as a bargaining chip for them to use.

"Technically they may think that, but I would not see myself like that because I will go where I think is best for my career.

"It would hurt a bit. The club has spoken about having more Spanish players and for the time being they are showing me respect and that means a lot.

"But if they decide to sell me then I will not leave with any problems."

Liverpool have also been linked with a move for Negredo and while he has not hidden the fact he would like to play with Fernando Torres, he is not pushing for a move to Anfield.

"I have already said that I think that is a great club and it would be incredible to play alongside Torres. But I prefer not to talk about that, because for now I am a Madrid player," he added.

 

[keniget]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

He must surely know that now that the Galactico era is back with a bang, it's not going to happen for him at Real. How long did Soldado and Portillo stick around?

 

[link]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

1533 BST: Real Madrid could use strikers Alvaro Negredo, 23, and Alberto Bueno, 21 as part of a cash plus players deal to lure Liverpool midfielder Xabi Alonso to the Bernabeu. (Spanish paper AS)

sorry if its alreally posted

 

[SummerOnions]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

Is Bueno any good?

 

[HC]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

Kinda......

 

[Oncy]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=33578.msg886622#msg886622 date=1244756245]
Kinda......



[/quote]hahahahaha

 

[peekay]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=link link=topic=33578.msg886447#msg886447 date=1244734136]
1533 BST: Real Madrid could use strikers Alvaro Negredo, 23, and Alberto Bueno, 21 as part of a cash plus players deal to lure Liverpool midfielder Xabi Alonso to the Bernabeu. (Spanish paper AS)

sorry if its alreally posted
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From my understanding of that As article, that is not what is conveyed. The AS article states that Rafa has conveyed that if Madrid want Xabi then they will need to shell out 40-50 million euros and Negredo and Bueno.

 

[rage]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

what's 40 million plus 2 non galactico's to real?

i still think if real offered anything like this rafa will bite. negredo sounds ok, don't know about bueno

 

[jan]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

Apparently this guy has a very good record and had announced that Kaka and Ronaldo would be Madrid's first signings two weeks ago:

- David Villa will be the third signing of Florentino, as we all know already. Negredo is wanted by Valencia.

- David Silva does want to come to Real Madrid but Valencia don't even want to listen to offers. The player is seriously pissed off.

- Xabi Alonso also wants to come to Real Madrid. He didn't like at all the fact Rafa Benitez wanted to sell him last season. One of the conditions Benitez has imposed is that it's Xabi the one who has to talk and say he wants to leave. Gareth Barry was of the main options for him to substitute but now he's not available he's not convinced he should let Xabi go. It's also been said that Benitez is NOT interested in Negredom he only wants money. And Liverpool must pay debt as soon as possible. Then, it's also important to remark that it's better for both clubs to negotiate at the end of the month so Real Sociedad doesn't receive a percentage of the fee.

- And then, Pellegrini is obsessed with Cazorla. Apparently he doesn't stop talking about him... So we'll see...

 

[Richey]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

That's a lot of money, so we would have to consider it.

However, I don't think we should be taking their cast offs. We always seem to do very badly out of it when we deal with Real Madrid so I am always a bit wary.

 

[TheBunnyman]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

[quote author=jan link=topic=33578.msg886809#msg886809 date=1244797907]
Apparently this guy has a very good record and had announced that Kaka and Ronaldo would be Madrid's first signings two weeks ago:

- David Villa will be the third signing of Florentino, as we all know already. Negredo is wanted by Valencia.

- David Silva does want to come to Real Madrid but Valencia don't even want to listen to offers. The player is seriously pissed off.

- Xabi Alonso also wants to come to Real Madrid. He didn't like at all the fact Rafa Benitez wanted to sell him last season. One of the conditions Benitez has imposed is that it's Xabi the one who has to talk and say he wants to leave. Gareth Barry was of the main options for him to substitute but now he's not available he's not convinced he should let Xabi go. It's also been said that Benitez is NOT interested in Negredom he only wants money. And Liverpool must pay debt as soon as possible. Then, it's also important to remark that it's better for both clubs to negotiate at the end of the month so Real Sociedad doesn't receive a percentage of the fee.

- And then, Pellegrini is obsessed with Cazorla. Apparently he doesn't stop talking about him... So we'll see...

[/quote]

Is it true about the Sociedad share of the fee expiring at the end of the month? Seems odd to have a time limit on that kind of clause.

 

[cochyn]

Re: Xabi Alonso will stay at Anfield, says Rafa Benitez

Fuck this shit, if real want Xabi that bad and he wants to go then it has to be a large sum of money up front with no players thrown in. We have had the shaft on a player from them in the past so they have blown that shit. And if they want it should be all cash now and no payment schemes over time. Fuck em

I don't think he should be sold, but if he wants to go then we need to get the max we can out of real, say 40mill up front