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The forgotten transfer

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davud graham said:
Whys is it over the top? I'm not saying he should be getting 20 goals next season as that would be completely too much to expect but making a contribution either from the bench or on the odd start isn't asking too much.
If he gets 6 or 7 goals and adjusts well to the league then that would be fine as far as i'm concerned. If we buy a new striker and sturridge gets hit fitness back then he isn't going to see much game time apart from sub appearances but if he only gets 1 or 2 goals all season and mostly struggles then i wouldn't be at all suprised if the club moves him on.
It's happend too many times before to plenty of players to just dismiss the possibility. Nothing he's done so far in his short career suggests he's ready to be in our first eleven and it can be very hard getting a chance in the team never mind doing well.
I hope he does well but it's hard to have too much confidence in him after a wasted season at Lille and the odd time i have seen him play he was pretty average. Maybe he didn't want to be at Lille anymore and was just going through the motions but if that's the case then he'll have to show much more determination to succeed here.
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None of the examples you cite are comparable. This is an investment in a high quality young player with the clear emphasis on realising a return say 2-12 years down the line.

He would have to be catastrophically bad for the club to give up after a single season. You seem to greatly exaggerate the pressure he'll be under in his first season. Some encouraging performances and signs of progress would be perfectly adequate, in all likelihood.
 
peterhague said:
None of the examples you cite are comparable. This is an investment in a high quality young player with the clear emphasis on realising a return say 2-12 years down the line.

He would have to be catastrophically bad for the club to give up after a single season. You seem to greatly exaggerate the pressure he'll be under in his first season. Some encouraging performances and signs of progress would be perfectly adequate, in all likelihood.
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Borini's certainly comparable. he signed when he was 21 (origi is 20), cost us around 11 million (Origi cost 10 million) and was sent on loan after a disappointing first season. The club has been trying to sell him ever since. He also should have had the manager in his corner as he'd played for him before and championed his arrival but still dropped him like a shitty stick when he realised he wasn't up to it.
The same thing happend to Aspas ,though was a little bit older.
They couldn't wait to get rid of Luis Alberto and he was the same age as Origi.
It's not like i want the lad to fail but it's been very hard to succeed as a young striker at Liverpool unless you're outstanding and i'm not sure he is.
 
cloggypop said:
Remember when he was going to be our saviour when he came back to us in January?
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Well at the time we would have been better off with Stephen Hawking up front rather than Balotelli , Borini and Lambert. It's like they were competing to see who could be the shittest.
 
davud graham said:
Borini's certainly comparable. he signed when he was 21 (origi is 20), cost us around 11 million (Origi cost 10 million) and was sent on loan after a disappointing first season. The club has been trying to sell him ever since. He also should have had the manager in his corner as he'd played for him before and championed his arrival but still dropped him like a shitty stick when he realised he wasn't up to it.
The same thing happend to Aspas ,though was a little bit older.
They couldn't wait to get rid of Luis Alberto and he was the same age as Origi.
It's not like i want the lad to fail but it's been very hard to succeed as a young striker at Liverpool unless you're outstanding and i'm not sure he is.
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Borini is only superficially similar. He was basically just the new manager's call, probably somewhat because of a restricted budget. He was intended to be a first team player immediately.

Origi quite obviously wasn't (see the loan to Lille). Moreover, it's known that the club had scouted him extensively for four years prior to his signing - before Rodgers even arrived at the club.

Together with his obvious pedigree (status within the Belgian national team along with his many natural attributes) makes it absolutely plain that the signing was seen as a long term investment and that he'll be afforded every opportunity of succeeding.


Aspas is so different he's not worth commenting on. Luis Alberto is such a strange one I'm not sure it says anything about any other signing we've made. I don't know what we were thinking there.

Origi is basically another in the vein of Can, Moreno, Markovic, and Ilori. He'll be expected to make a contribution, but he'll still get plenty of breathing space as well, as long as his attitude etc is right.
 
And playing out of position for a very defensive Lille team who had a shite season.
The poor goal return was actually the best or second best goal return in his age group in Europe.
Easy to forget how young he is.

This lad will surprise us all. Great talent but needs to be given time.
 
Hate to agree with the majority, but yeah, the lad does indeed have all the hallmarks of another donkey striker.
 
Gary25 said:
Hate to agree with the majority, but yeah, the lad does indeed have all the hallmarks of another donkey striker.
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He doesn't play like a donkey. This lad started up front for Belgium at the world cup and looked very good.

I've no idea how he'll progress with us but he isn't a donkey. Madness to write him off as one before he arrives.
 
The negativity around him on here is fairly pathetic, really. He turned 20 midway through April - which means during virtually all of his disappointing season at Lille he was still just 19. When he was starting World Cup matches for Belgium he was younger than Ibe is now.

He might develop and he might not, but there's no doubt that all things considered he's very promising for his age.
 
ILD said:
He doesn't play like a donkey. This lad started up front for Belgium at the world cup and looked very good.

I've no idea how he'll progress with us but he isn't a donkey. Madness to write him off as one before he arrives.
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Maybe a bit too harsh, but you can't blame people for being sceptical.
 
Sterling's record last season was 7 goals and 7 assists in 34 starts, in a season where he was often played out of position.

Origi's record last season was 8 goals and 3 assists in 22 starts, in a season where was often played out of position.

One has just arrived for £10m, the other is going out the door for £50m.
 
Calling him "fucking shit" and a donkey already? Pete's right, people on here are pathetic, same posters posting the same negative pointless digs in every thread. We get it, we've had a shit season, we've only had it rammed down our fucking throats for the last few months. Get over it.
 
People who're calling him a donkey have no clue about identifying a talent.

He's a bona fide top level talent. His attributes are absolutely outstanding - pace, power, great shot, very solid touch and technique.

It's amazing that people are judging him on his 'meagre' 8 goals last season. No 19 year old scores in double figures in top flight football - if he does, he's a generational talent.

Origi isn't a generational talent, but if he develops rightly, he'll be very very good.

Watch this kid's performance against USA at the World Cup - the way he plays back to goal, the way he keeps possession, it's the mark of a player with maturity far beyond his years. He needs to figure out how to score, which I'm sure he will sooner rather than later. When he does, he'll be a super player.

What he needs now is patience and lots of game time. He's only as young as Ibe FFS.
 
We all regard Ibe as a top prospect, but if people took his stats in isolation, they wouldn't touch him with a bargepole.
 
Too many drama queens on here on both sides of this argument. Being skeptical of whether this lad will succeed doesn't mean people don't want him to do well and will have absolutely no influence on how he does either.
If he does well then everyone will be pleased regardless of whether they thought he'd be good or not.
I really hope he does well as that means it's more likely that the team is doing well but i'm just recognising the fact that it's hard getting the chance to impress never mind the difficulty of actually doing so.
It's a bit over the top to completely write him off just as it's overly optimistic to think he'll be fantastic. We'll just have to wait see how he gets on. You could say that about all the signings but some come here with far more experience of top level football and don't have to adapt to a new country,Language and culture like this young lad does. None of those things make it easier for him.
 
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