Throw out some realistic names then and don't be faffing.
Not Demba Ba either.
That was the season that was
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Not Demba Ba either.
Reus, Kheidra to name a few
In fact the German league is probably a good place to look..
I'd just like to see us stick our hand in our pockets and stop faffing about
In fact the German league is probably a good place to look..
I'd just like to see us stick our hand in our pockets and stop faffing about
Another Rodgers' out thread? I'm going to adjust the thread because when we were within inches of top 2, it was all lovey dovey. Fucking microwaves.
IF Rodgers' finishes 7th, do we fire him b/c Rafa blah blah and Kenny blah blah ... Where were our teams heading then? Average age? Talent etc? Whatevs, good luck to us.
When we're within inches of the top 2 again I'm sure it will be more to your liking on here. Everyone's entitled to criticise, though, after these two humiliating performances. What did you expect - a forum singing 'Happy'?
Reus who turned down Bayern Munich and signed a new contract in the summer.
Marvellous.
I don't really care what the forum is but people were pretending we were the Liverpool of last year during our winning streak and two terrible performances (I assume today was terrible, I was too busy eating matzah to give a shit), and now the same characters are banging on (not you, I think you've been fair! But don't take that as a challenge! 😛 )
I'm not happy but I'm pragmatic - our 'best player' (sterling) hasn't shown up for two straight games, our best striker is a shadow of the player he was last year (I wasn't expecting that Studge but it's a wasted season for him unfortunately) and our team just lacks maturity and fight. The same line goes in my head - 'we need 2-3 players' - but we also needs players who want to be here, and are willing to understand we're not the big club we used to be - and haven't been for decades - and that to get back to that level (if it ever happens), we'll need players to have the attitude of Shanks ... If that's even possible in today's era.
So Rodgers is exempt from any critism or debate on here..
I'm not sure if it's much worse than the Rafa purists on Rawk back in the day
Nope - but microwave analysis after 2 games is too similar to the RCDNR (or for that matter, RCDNW) brigades.
That's ultimately it.
Our signings just haven't really cut the mustard. Sturridge has been injured all year too which hasnt helped.
Whatever the process was that got us to either Balotelli or Etoo at the end of window is what needs changing.
Yep absolutely and whoever new they bring in needs to stop with the players with potential and look at buying players for the here and now..
This hasn't been a great season really has it:
Terrible start, compared to where we finished last season.
We have one of our worst seasons vs our top 4 rivals home and away. Whilst dispatching fairly routinely the dross in the league.
We get embarrassed out the champions league.
Star player leaves and is replaced by overall currently a load of junk.
Regular formation doesn't work so is replaced by one that doesn't really get the most out of the top half of the pitch.
Goal scoring tally goes majorly backwards from last season, and the defence concedes bucketfuls.
Our only decent striker spends most of the season out injured as soon as he signs a whopping great big new contract.
Sterling kicks off and makes a tit of himself wanting his usual halfway through a contract massive pay hike.
Of all the seasons it's key to finish top 4, this one is more than ever and we miss it.
FSG have got some decisions to make in the summer. For me if they give Rodgers the usual 20-30mill plus sales, we might struggle again next year considering what the top 4 will do with their squads. Could it be worth breaching FFP to backroll it just for one season to get us back on track? I'm not sure what the repercussions of that would be. I'm not sure I trust the transfer committee to identify the right targets or get them in either.
Terrible start, compared to where we finished last season.
We have one of our worst seasons vs our top 4 rivals home and away. Whilst dispatching fairly routinely the dross in the league.
We get embarrassed out the champions league.
Star player leaves and is replaced by overall currently a load of junk.
Regular formation doesn't work so is replaced by one that doesn't really get the most out of the top half of the pitch.
Goal scoring tally goes majorly backwards from last season, and the defence concedes bucketfuls.
Our only decent striker spends most of the season out injured as soon as he signs a whopping great big new contract.
Sterling kicks off and makes a tit of himself wanting his usual halfway through a contract massive pay hike.
Of all the seasons it's key to finish top 4, this one is more than ever and we miss it.
FSG have got some decisions to make in the summer. For me if they give Rodgers the usual 20-30mill plus sales, we might struggle again next year considering what the top 4 will do with their squads. Could it be worth breaching FFP to backroll it just for one season to get us back on track? I'm not sure what the repercussions of that would be. I'm not sure I trust the transfer committee to identify the right targets or get them in either.
But that's what they did. We bought Lovren, Lallana, Balotelli & Lambert for the here and now for big money and a few for the potential, Moreno, Markovic & Can. Origi as well.
But we didn't improve the team.
In a way the attitude of potential signings matters more than how much money we spend. As good as Dalglish and Souness were, their will to win was arguably as important as their ability to play football. We need to bring in good players this summer but the squad needs more individuals who can't stand the idea of losing.
We qualified for the Champions league..
Where are the Champions League experienced signings.??
Balotelli was always going to be a gamble, Lambert was a wtf moment. Lovren 1 season in the prem and Lallana unproven at the highest level.. he was a barely an international.. For the money we paid we, probably could of got better elsewhere..
Can has been the most consistent signing and the only one I can truly say is good business
There a few other things that niggle me a bit. One is training. We looked heavy-legged for the first two months of the season. Every season so far under Brendan we've seemed to need two or three months, at least, to get the stamina needed for the high pressing game. That's just not going to work long term.
Another thing is attitude. The players say Brendan's great as a man manager, but in too many games this season, and the last two especially, the players have come out and looked horribly flat, ill-prepared and confused. I don't know what's going on but something isn't right.
Two years ago Brendan complained we were a quiet team who needed more vocal leaders. This team doesn't even seem to notice what each other is doing, let alone talk to each other about it. Can and Hendo have a go but it should be all over the pitch. Sterling, for example, just grimaces and slumps off when something goes wrong. Coutinho might as well carry a glove puppet around with him. There's no cohesion, no collective drive.
And the defence. How infuriating must it be to play further up, moving around trying to create space, while our defenders just faff around for a couple of minutes at the back? I know it works both ways, but christ they are so obsessed with messing around across the penalty area it's a joke.
And positivity. Possession is great, but so is an attacking attitude. We get a throw in today in the final third of their half. At least three good options in front of the one taking the throw. He looks around, and without even any hesitation, he turns and throws it back to a player midway in our half. That wasn't a reaction to tight marking and lack of movement. It was a neurotic safety-first move that we've been instinctively using far, far, far too often.
Another thing is attitude. The players say Brendan's great as a man manager, but in too many games this season, and the last two especially, the players have come out and looked horribly flat, ill-prepared and confused. I don't know what's going on but something isn't right.
Two years ago Brendan complained we were a quiet team who needed more vocal leaders. This team doesn't even seem to notice what each other is doing, let alone talk to each other about it. Can and Hendo have a go but it should be all over the pitch. Sterling, for example, just grimaces and slumps off when something goes wrong. Coutinho might as well carry a glove puppet around with him. There's no cohesion, no collective drive.
And the defence. How infuriating must it be to play further up, moving around trying to create space, while our defenders just faff around for a couple of minutes at the back? I know it works both ways, but christ they are so obsessed with messing around across the penalty area it's a joke.
And positivity. Possession is great, but so is an attacking attitude. We get a throw in today in the final third of their half. At least three good options in front of the one taking the throw. He looks around, and without even any hesitation, he turns and throws it back to a player midway in our half. That wasn't a reaction to tight marking and lack of movement. It was a neurotic safety-first move that we've been instinctively using far, far, far too often.
Except saying Rodgers should be sacked is not a criticism, it's a judgment. Criticism is a description of the events that's gone wrong and positive criticism adds in how to resolve it.
You said we didn't buy for the here and now but the list above says we did. The issue is it didn't work.
It's not the policy, it's the actual signings and integrating them into the side.
The same goes for next year, we can't waste 3 or 4 months trying to fit all the players into a system, we have to find the right formation and buy players who will plug the gaps and make it work.
Strong at the back, competitive and creative in midfield and clinical up front with goals from all departments.
It should be less of a build than this season, so we shouldn't have th shitty start again, but clearly, there's still plenty to do.
As for Rodgers, I can't be arsed debating his future as one minute he's up for the sack, and the next we're worried that Barca or Citeh are gonna be in for him. Too much knee jerking and not enough less shortsightedness.
As for Rodgers, I can't be arsed debating his future as one minute he's up for the sack, and the next we're worried that Barca or Citeh are gonna be in for him. Too much knee jerking and not enough less shortsightedness.
The players bought for the here and now have been the real waste of time and money. A bit harsh on Lallana probably but I think we should expect more from him...
Not just this window. We had Aspas and Alberto the previous summer, Borini before that. We just cannot have consecutively shit transfer windows and hope to be near the top of the table.
We have started slowly all season, it's the complete reversal from last year when we had game after game won in the first half.
I can't explain it but it comes down to belief I guess - we knew we could blow sides away last year with our firepower but we don't have that killer instinct upfront anymore and we are tentative and fearful as a result
Is this the post match reflection thread? - I have a few points if I may.
As soon as I saw that line up I knew we'd get done. I said so pre match (not that that matters) It was so fucking obvious though. Sakho and Kolo? I'm not actually blaming BR for that. Lovren has been shite (mostly) so what choice did he have. I double dare anyone to say that those two didn't look anything other than a fucking mistake about to happen whenever they got the ball. I'm not even talking about the 1st 15mins of the game either but all of it. I lost count of the amount of slips and fumbles on the ball from the pair of them that let them in.
I have never been a fan of Allen and Lucas playing together. For one thing it smacks of negativity. Another is that while both have their good games more often than not they have bad ones. Sticking them both together. Chances are you're at best 50% fucked in the most important part of the park. Today they were both shite. 100% fucked.
Then no Sturridge. He's been rusty and rubbish of late but the opposition will give him respect and that creates doubt. No plan B either. No Ballo on the bench. Not that he particularly deserves his place but then why bother buying him in the first place. Maybe he was injured. No plan B
Gerrard, Skittles, Lallana and I'll include Ibe as well - All out.
Sorry lads but it was a no-brainer. We got humped and I for one am utterly unsurprised.
In terms of positives. Sterling (while being a bit greedy was good) Ming obviously and Coutinho were good and showed some class.
We played the wrong team at the wrong time.
As soon as I saw that line up I knew we'd get done. I said so pre match (not that that matters) It was so fucking obvious though. Sakho and Kolo? I'm not actually blaming BR for that. Lovren has been shite (mostly) so what choice did he have. I double dare anyone to say that those two didn't look anything other than a fucking mistake about to happen whenever they got the ball. I'm not even talking about the 1st 15mins of the game either but all of it. I lost count of the amount of slips and fumbles on the ball from the pair of them that let them in.
I have never been a fan of Allen and Lucas playing together. For one thing it smacks of negativity. Another is that while both have their good games more often than not they have bad ones. Sticking them both together. Chances are you're at best 50% fucked in the most important part of the park. Today they were both shite. 100% fucked.
Then no Sturridge. He's been rusty and rubbish of late but the opposition will give him respect and that creates doubt. No plan B either. No Ballo on the bench. Not that he particularly deserves his place but then why bother buying him in the first place. Maybe he was injured. No plan B
Gerrard, Skittles, Lallana and I'll include Ibe as well - All out.
Sorry lads but it was a no-brainer. We got humped and I for one am utterly unsurprised.
In terms of positives. Sterling (while being a bit greedy was good) Ming obviously and Coutinho were good and showed some class.
We played the wrong team at the wrong time.
Balotelli had a knock in training and Rodgers made a point of saying that Mario declared himself unfit. Another cheap dig, IMHO: okay, you don't want him, but the club does tests on players, so if he was indeed judged unfit don't imply he couldn't be arsed.
As for attacking, well, we must make the process of getting from one end of the pitch to the other seem an incredibly difficult task.
As for attacking, well, we must make the process of getting from one end of the pitch to the other seem an incredibly difficult task.
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