Talk of Sin-Bins at FIFA

[Frogfish]

I watched somebody from FIFA (must be pretty high up if they were questioning him about challenging Blatter for the presidency) also mention that they needed to consider another option between Yellow and Red cards. He mentioned Orange but he also said Sin-Bins would be a good option too as he felt referees needed more help and more options.

I didn't think FIFA were that progressive but I'd definitely go along with the Sin-Bins idea. That works great in Rugby.

 

[gkmacca]

I prefer the Graham Poll idea: yellow, yellow, yellow.

 

[Halmeister]

I wouldn't want sin bins. They just need goal line technology, and an off pitch referee that feeds important decisions through an earpiece after watching on a screen. Fuck all other mad shit.

 

[Fallon]

Orange card is the most ludicrous thing I've heard out of Fifa this month.

Personally I think a challenge system, not dissimilar to NFL, would be very viable. Injuries, and faux injuries, already take up plenty of time each half, so a 30 second challenge (per half, per team) would hardly be disruptive. If Sky can show multiple angles in such a short time, then I see no reason why the 4th official couldn't be watching a replay of a particularly contentious event.

 

[Squiggles]

I think sin-bins are a great idea.
Especially for them deliberate 'take one for the team' challenges that you cant send someone off for, but which really merit more than a yellow card.

 

[Lippy]

All this talk of sin bins is daft when you could just bring back a good old flogging.

 

[Farkmaster]

They'll consider anything that makes no fucking difference to the really big issues that make the sport unfair, and they'll consider it slowly.

 

[Spaghetti Legs]

I wouldn't want sin bins. They just need goal line technology, and an off pitch referee that feeds important decisions through an earpiece after watching on a screen. Fuck all other mad shit.

Agree about the sin bins but the off pitch ref reviewing the important decisions is to much of a grey area, how do you work out the importance of incidents to be reviewed? also managers will abuse the system, also some things are still not clear cut after replays, i suppose if it isn't clear cut after a replay you stick with the original decision, it would be a complete mess

If you are going to do something like that have 1 review per manager per game and thats it, the ref can take another look at it along with an assistant or 2 and come to a decision, not even sure about that tbh.

 

[dee]

How about having a review system and if the ref got it wrong he's subbed :-D

 

[Spaghetti Legs]

How about having a review system and if the ref got it wrong he's subbed :-D

In an ideal world refs would get suspended and even sacked but then we would run out of them because they are all abysmal, refs being demoted for fuck ups takes the piss out of the lower league teams aswell, its a right cheek that.

 

[dee]

In an ideal world refs would get suspended and even sacked but then we would run out of them because they are all abysmal, refs being demoted for fuck ups takes the piss out of the lower league teams aswell, its a right cheek that.

Didn't think about it that way. You're right!

 

[Halmeister]

Agree about the sin bins but the off pitch ref reviewing the important decisions is to much of a grey area, how do you work out the importance of incidents to be reviewed? also managers will abuse the system, also some things are still not clear cut after replays, i suppose if it isn't clear cut after a replay you stick with the original decision, it would be a complete mess

If you are going to do something like that have 1 review per manager per game and thats it, the ref can take another look at it along with an assistant or 2 and come to a decision, not even sure about that tbh.

Just have them override something that was obviously wrong. A goal that should/shouldn't have clearly stood. An obvious red card. That Rafael one on Sunday for instance. They'd just buzz in and go "Nah that's a red Phil, you wally." Anything open to interpretation - like perhaps the Vidic foul that preceded it - would be left to the on-the-field ref.'s original decision. Perhaps managers could use a challenge system, 1 per game like you say, but both systems would ideally be used sparingly.

The video thing might as well already be in use. It'd be quicker than watching the ref and lino gab and kerfuffle for ages on the touchline - only to get the decision wrong anyway.

 

[Piedro]

Too many smartarses in this thread, lock it up

 

[Dreambeliever]

Sin bin works brilliantly in Rugby and I think if managed correctly could be superb for football.

It could stop great games being ruined by a harsh early red card.

 

[juniormember]

Sin Bin would be great. It would certainly ensure that there was absolutely no talking back from any of the players, apart from the captains, as it is in rugby and as it should be in football.
Dives inside the box shouldn't be yellows, but rather sin bin offenses.
It would make otherwise boring games quite interesting.

 

[Spaghetti Legs]

Just have them override something that was obviously wrong. A goal that should/shouldn't have clearly stood. An obvious red card. That Rafael one on Sunday for instance. They'd just buzz in and go "Nah that's a red Phil, you wally." Anything open to interpretation - like perhaps the Vidic foul that preceded it - would be left to the on-the-field ref.'s original decision. Perhaps managers could use a challenge system, 1 per game like you say, but both systems would ideally be used sparingly.



The video thing might as well already be in use. It'd be quicker than watching the ref and lino gab and kerfuffle for ages on the touchline - only to get the decision wrong anyway.

You do make good points, but sometimes even something obvious to one person isn't to someone else athough yes it would get rid of the stonewall howlers, it still pisses me off thinking about Suarez's winner at Goodison last season. just feel they would still fuck it up somehow and there is still grey areas with it all.

Things like the Sterling offside call what would of happened to that? that is one thing that is clear cut, say a manager has a review per game and Rodgers uses it for that or the assistant tells the ref through an earpiece its a blatent fuck up, then what? penalty? a clear run through on goal again? same will happen to other offsides and not all will be a blatent goal scoring chance like Sterlings.

I don't know it just seems complicated unlike basic things like goal line technology which was bought in way to late, madness how the technology was there and it was ignored for so long.

Retrospective bans for diving should be the next thing, that would make the refs job a bit easier if this issue was sorted out, fuck it along with player bans even dock a point or something if the team gets to 3,4 or 5 confirmed dives in a season, and another point for the next 5 or whatever, the mancs would of had a point off by now, it would near on kill diving in the PL.

 

[Spaghetti Legs]

Sin bin works brilliantly in Rugby and I think if managed correctly could be superb for football.

It could stop great games being ruined by a harsh early red card.

Thats the key point, i wouldn't trust the refs to manage it correctly, they would still cock it up just like they do everything else.

 

[Whirly]

You do make good points, but sometimes even something obvious to one person isn't to someone else athough yes it would get rid of the stonewall howlers, it still pisses me off thinking about Suarez's winner at Goodison last season. just feel they would still fuck it up somehow and there is still grey areas with it all.

Things like the Sterling offside call what would of happened to that? that is one thing that is clear cut, say a manager has a review per game and Rodgers uses it for that or the assistant tells the ref through an earpiece its a blatent fuck up, then what? penalty? a clear run through on goal again? same will happen to other offsides and not all will be a blatent goal scoring chance like Sterlings.

I don't know it just seems complicated unlike basic things like goal line technology which was bought in way to late, madness how the technology was there and it was ignored for so long.

Retrospective bans for diving should be the next thing, that would make the refs job a bit easier if this issue was sorted out, fuck it along with player bans even dock a point or something if the team gets to 3,4 or 5 confirmed dives in a season, and another point for the next 5 or whatever, the mancs would of had a point off by now, it would near on kill diving in the PL.

I imagine if reviews or the like are added, fewer offsides will be given in tight situations. The priority of the assistant becomes to not hinder attacking opportunities rather than protecting the defending side from unjustly getting scored on, as the latter can easily be reversed.

I wouldn't be opposed to moving offsides decisions directly to the fourth official or a similar entity. I imagine players wouldn't be upset if the decision was a few seconds further into the attack considering there's a virtual guarantee it would be the right one.

 

[StevieM]

As was mentioned - there's plenty more that needs to be done to the game to make it a more level playing field than orange cards & fucking sin bins

 

[Spaghetti Legs]

Yeah thats interesting, do away with linesman so they can't interupt play like they done with Sterling.

 

[tombrown]

Yessss ... Sin Bins!!!

And while we are at it lets make the following changes :

- Split the match into four quarters rather than two halves
- Outlaw draws - keep playing until one team wins, as drawing is for losers
- Every time the ball goes out of play have a commercial break that the players have to wait for until play restarts
- Revisit vocabulary - introduce words like "offence", "Hail Mary"
- change the pronunciation of "defence" to put the stress on the "de-" rather than "-fence"
- change spelling - change all "c"s to "s"s, all "s"s to "z"s (pronounced zee, not zed) and ban "u"s after "o"s
- Change the name of the FA Cup to "The World Series of Soccer"
- replace Bovril & a pie at half time with branded doughnouts & coffee .... oh!

 

[Pesam]

There's no problem changing rules in football if it benefits the game and the sin bin IMO would. Red card punishment remains the same but yellow card equals 10 minutes in the sin bin. The beauty of the system is that the the player who commits the infringement is punished against the team he commits the infringement, it's a much fairer punishment. The only issue would be if a player commits a yellow card offence with 2 minutes to go.

 

[Silver Sean]

Bollocks.

 

[Rosco]

Bollocks.

Exactly.

Let stick to putting referees into impossible situations then moan like a bitch when they get something wrong.

And keep the games 'integrity' intact

 

[jon545660]

I love a good sending off. It livens up many a dull game.

Bollocks to sin bins.

 

[gkmacca]

It would add to the entertainment values if sent off players were allowed to try to sneak back on. They could wear false moustaches and all sorts of disguises.

 

[Silver Sean]

'Staff members cannot be ignored'. The worst words on this website.

 

[Silver Sean]

It would add to the entertainment values if sent off players were allowed to try to sneak back on. They could wear false moustaches and all sorts of disguises.

Cissokho is already doing an impression of a professional footballer.

 

[StevieM]

Sin bins & orange cards for the games administrators every time they come up with stupid fucking ideas would be better.

 

[Pesam]

Sin bins & orange cards for the games administrators every time they come up with stupid fucking ideas would be better.

Radical new rule changes in football are rare and always met with scorn and doubt but in general work very well; 3 points for a win, the back pass being outlawed, increasing substitutions from 1 to 2 (and then to 3) etc. The exception to this is the repeated changes in the offside rule which has created much confusion over the years.

I remember much rubbish being written and talked about when the back pass rule was introduced; the highlight being Alan Hansen predicting that the rule would be rescinded very quickly because goalkeepers were going to be getting badly injured regularly if they couldn't pick up a back pass!