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Sylvain Marveaux

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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=44487.msg1311430#msg1311430 date=1302124909]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=44487.msg1311311#msg1311311 date=1302110071]
Another injury-prone player, fantastic!
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So that we're left with Cole, Jovo and the Dirk. Fuck no. I'd rather have a one legged Marveaux on the pitch.

regards
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Que?

Try again.
 
I'm reasonably encouraged by what I've read.

Unlike the other bosmans we've signed this isn't a journeyman that no-one particularly rates or wants. In Marveaux it sounds as though we're signing a player that is rated and a few years behind in his development as a result of injury, so there is a fair amount of potential we can look to develop.

Beyond that, I don't think people should get *too* caught up crossers of the ball and what Carroll needs. If our sole strategy going forward is to rain crosses into the box from both flanks I'd be very disappointed. We need options - we don't really have many at the moment - and as Comolli and many fans for years have been saying - we need more pace.

If Marveaux likes to cut inside a lot, we can do what Mourinho has done with Angel Di Maria at Real Madrid - play him on the right. I don't think Di Maria is particularly fond of his right foot either and he is effective cutting inside. If Marveaux can provide a similar option for us, we'd all be quite pleased.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=44487.msg1311549#msg1311549 date=1302162006]
I'm reasonably encouraged by what I've read.

Unlike the other bosmans we've signed this isn't a journeyman that no-one particularly rates or wants. In Marveaux it sounds as though we're signing a player that is rated and a few years behind in his development as a result of injury, so there is a fair amount of potential we can look to develop.

Beyond that, I don't think people should get *too* caught up crossers of the ball and what Carroll needs. If our sole strategy going forward is to rain crosses into the box from both flanks I'd be very disappointed. We need options - we don't really have many at the moment - and as Comolli and many fans for years have been saying - we need more pace.

If Marveaux likes to cut inside a lot, we can do what Mourinho has done with Angel Di Maria at Real Madrid - play him on the right. I don't think Di Maria is particularly fond of his right foot either and he is effective cutting inside. If Marveaux can provide a similar option for us, we'd all be quite pleased.
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Oh this post brings back so many memories of failed signings.

No offence intended Ken, but it's so typical that we have high hopes about an "average" player that's about to join and a year later we're disappointed when we find out that he's actually average.

To get quality we have to spend. I'm really fed up with all the "bargain basement" players we keep buying.
 
Not the most exciting compilation ever that one. Cudos to this MilanKakaBaros-lad though, he's doing a splendid job.

As a few has already said I don't really mind this transfer either. He's youngish, a winger and free.

Yeah he could suffer from Aurelioitis or even the evil Aggertitis for that matter but it's a bet that seems decent enough after all. As Keni said he's not another journeyman and that is somewhat encouraging I reckon.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=44487.msg1311549#msg1311549 date=1302162006]
I'm reasonably encouraged by what I've read.

Unlike the other bosmans we've signed this isn't a journeyman that no-one particularly rates or wants. In Marveaux it sounds as though we're signing a player that is rated and a few years behind in his development as a result of injury, so there is a fair amount of potential we can look to develop.

Beyond that, I don't think people should get *too* caught up crossers of the ball and what Carroll needs. If our sole strategy going forward is to rain crosses into the box from both flanks I'd be very disappointed. We need options - we don't really have many at the moment - and as Comolli and many fans for years have been saying - we need more pace.

If Marveaux likes to cut inside a lot, we can do what Mourinho has done with Angel Di Maria at Real Madrid - play him on the right. I don't think Di Maria is particularly fond of his right foot either and he is effective cutting inside. If Marveaux can provide a similar option for us, we'd all be quite pleased.
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Saying that we need a reliable crosser of the ball doesn't exactly constitute getting hung up on the issue. For sure we need more than that in our armoury, but (a) we need it as well, (b) currently we don't have it and (c) Marveaux seems unlikely to provide it. If he's intended as an upgrade on someone else who'll be going then OK, but it'll leave a priority of ours still unmet.
 
No one is suggesting that he is coming to fulfil a priority, are they really?

We need to bin off a fair few of our attacking players and bring in replacements - first teamers as well as squad players. Marveaux appears to be the start of that process.

We also know that we're seriously looking at Young - or at least were - at the same time as Marveaux so it's clear the idea of having wide men that can cross the ball is not being ignored.
 
Having Marveaux on the bench is an upgrade from both Jova and Cole.
Who will probably both be moved on this summer.

And he's got pace. We desperatly need pace.
 
henrywinter Henry Winter
For #lfc fans asking about Sylvain Marveaux: L'Equipe say he's having more post-op rehab at Clairefontaine + Rennes before poss LFC medical
 
[quote author=Modo link=topic=44487.msg1311511#msg1311511 date=1302137774]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=44487.msg1311430#msg1311430 date=1302124909]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=44487.msg1311311#msg1311311 date=1302110071]
Another injury-prone player, fantastic!
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So that we're left with Cole, Jovo and the Dirk. Fuck no. I'd rather have a one legged Marveaux on the pitch.

regards
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Que?

Try again.
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Ahhhh you picked up on irony was not sure if Scandanavians did it. For those that missed it it was in reference to Modo sticking up for fucking Agger being a perma crock in another thread
Regards
 
He's quick and plays with his head up, which is encouraging.

I'm optimistic he'll be better than some of our other bosman signings.

(yay)
 
He's young aswell. Which means he can be sold for a decent fee if he doesn't turn out to be good.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=44487.msg1311840#msg1311840 date=1302203427]
He's young aswell. Which means he can be sold for a decent fee if he doesn't turn out to be good.
[/quote] As long as he isn't on a huge wage which other clubs refuse to match and he decides to hang around in the reserves for the five years and takes the easy and substantial money.
 
Ketil B. Stensrud on Marveaux:

I was asked to put together a blog regarding Rennes’ Sylvain Marveaux, the Reds’ long awaited Bosman signing in view of next season. While some uncertainty remains regarding his arrival at Anfield , it seems fair to say that a move to anywhere else than Merseyside would be a surprise, if not a relative upset from the part of the attacking midfielder.

So I’ve first thought of writing a portrait of the player, but this has already been done and you could find much information on his career, his goals, his stats or his recent difficulties in Rennes across the web. Instead, I preferred to try and put together a report on the player, providing you with the sort of information I think Liverpool fans would like to know regarding his skills, his attitude on and off the pitch, his strengths and weaknesses, and his particularities.

PHYSICAL ABILITY

He has pace, deadly pace, he is very capable of eliminating a defence on a single acceleration. He will take the ball and go through knocks and shocks to reach his target, a goal or a good pass. He can stay on his legs, no doubt about it, and although he isn’t of the strongest build he shouldn’t be worried with the strength of English defenders. His game made of acceleration can lead him to natural fatigue in the closing stages, but when in good shape he is perfectly able to contribute 90 minutes week-in week-out and bring his fair share of goals and assists.

In fact, his weakness lies inside. While he rarely gives up on the pitch himself, his body has been regulating things for him. He is an athlete, a powerfully legged sprinter, and his thighs have often been a strain to his progression. In summer 2008, after a good first season and a disappointing second term, he picked up a benign thigh injury during a France U21 game. Recovery should have been straightforward, but instead he met calcification issues and was forced to undergo surgery… he would miss the following 8 months. Tough luck can strike anyone, true, but the same thing happened to him once again this season, and a minor thigh muscle strain against Brest in November was enough to rule him out for the rest of the current campaign.

TECHNICAL ABILITY

Are you looking for a left foot? His can do everything you could dream of. He can pass, control, dribble, deliver or shoot with surgical precision. Sylvain Marveaux has taken Ligue 1 by surprise in 2009-2010 with his ability to regulate Rennes’ game, and despite his positioning on the left, he certainly was Rennes’ real playmaker throughout the season. He can take free-kicks, deliver assists or make the difference by himself relying on a fantastic left-foot. And his ability and elegance when dribbling through an adverse defence is something one rarely sees and thoroughly enjoys…

He relies nearly exclusively on his left foot however, and his right foot and head are of no use in his game. In fact, Marveaux will always look at placing the ball back on his left foot even for a simple pass, and will often lose the opportunity to deliver or build on the momentum he could have gained on his opponent. Also, Marveaux will invariably lose a challenge in the air. He hasn’t got the jumping ability, the timing or the stature for those aerial contests, and he isn’t usually that bothered.

INTELLIGENCE

Marveaux was trained as a central midfielder, and this is something one can very easily realise when watching him twirl across a square expanding from the left touch-line to the centre of the field. He mainly plays in a left winger position, but he isn’t anything like a left winger. And although it could not quite be branded a lack of intelligence, he lacks many of the qualities required of a true winger and especially the tactical finesse required to exploit the flank with full efficiency.

While he could make the best out of his pace and skills alternating runs down the wing and cuts through to centre as a Nani or a Valencia, Marveaux is compulsively attracted to the centre, no matter what. Cutting out is certainly all right, but cutting out from the left when you only have a left foot can sometimes be a handicap. On top of this, his crossing ability is nearly inexistent, and he will always favour a central or individual solution to a transmission to his left back running up the field. The decision is sometimes justified by a scoring action (10 goals and 5 assists last season) but an ability to open eyes to options other than the obvious would be a definite added value to his game.

On the other hand, he sometimes showed an ability to pick up the perfect pass in sometimes spectacular style, and his runs without the ball are often well-inspired and making the assist an easy exercise for his team-mates. With the good guidance and advice, he could certainly correct some of the defaults above and show more of these flashes of superb vision.

ATTITUDE

Again, despite his talent and ability, Marveaux could improve loads on this field. In a 4-3-3 system such as Rennes’ and in most modern tactical set-ups (In which full backs are called to play a major attacking role) defensive work is a necessity for the attacking flankers. Not only failing to notice the wing-rushes of his left-back counterpart, Marveaux has often been blamed for failing to accomplish his defensive work, whether it is an initial pressing or returns to cover the flank. As a result, great moments of solitude for the men standing behind him, such a Carlos Bocanegra, often let alone to deal with two or three opponents last season, without a hope to see his team-mate rush to his rescue.

Rennes Manager Frederic Antonetti himself admitted that Marveaux’ lack of work was acceptable as long as his attacking input remained as impressive as it was last season. Many coaches could rightfully consider some of Marveaux’ attitudes on the pitch as disrespectful to the team effort.

As a graduate of Rennes Academy having gone through the youth teams at the club, Marveaux may well be receiving too much indulgence for his ineffective defensive work. His self-confidence is high, maybe a bit too high, and the wise words of a manager able to make him question himself and his work for the team could be a massive boost to his career. He is able to do the work however, and even started his Ligue 1 career covering for injuries at left back. Little doubt he will give more in that field if a starting eleven position was to be at stake.

OFF THE PITCH

As far as I know, the latest former Rennes player ever to have played for Liverpool was El Hadji Diouf. No worries there. Few players bear a natural talent comparable to the Senegalese’s, and I wouldn’t think Marveaux’ raw talent really is up to that standard, but even less players have an attitude and temper as negative as Diouf’s. Sylvain Marveaux is certainly a modern football player, liking his nights out, his cars, his caps (he loves caps) and all the good things life has to offer to a wealthy young man. He has never made any headlines for wrong reasons however, nor did his brother Joris (who plays in Ligue 1 for Montpellier), and his off the pitch attitude should certainly not be any worry towards his recruitment by the Reds…
 
So he's not that bright, entirely left footed, runs really quickly and shows occasional brilliance.

Haven't we had one of these before? And didn't they all fail?
 
[quote author=Red Mullet link=topic=44487.msg1311855#msg1311855 date=1302205317]
So he's not that bright, entirely left footed, runs really quickly and shows occasional brilliance.

Haven't we had one of these before? And didn't they all fail?
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My thoughts exactly. Sounds like a brainless centre mid on the left wing coz he's dead fast. Never crosses, cuts inside to shoot etc.
Like you say, sounds like all the other 'wingers' we've had in the last 7,000 years.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=44487.msg1311840#msg1311840 date=1302203427]
He's young aswell. Which means he can be sold for a decent fee if he doesn't turn out to be good.
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Yup very good thinking that. So if we sign a young player for 15mil and he doesn't turn out good we can sell him for 12mil? Is that what you are saying?

Shit. We'll be lucky if we can get 8 mil. Marveaux is an average player. Doesn't matter if he's young or not. Just look at Babel. How much we got for him again?
 
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[quote author=Hansern link=topic=44487.msg1311840#msg1311840 date=1302203427]
He's young aswell. Which means he can be sold for a decent fee if he doesn't turn out to be good.
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Yup very good thinking that. So if we sign a young player for 15mil and he doesn't turn out good we can sell him for 12mil? Is that what you are saying?

Shit. We'll be lucky if we can get 8 mil. Marveaux is an average player. Doesn't matter if he's young or not. Just look at Babel. How much we got for him again?


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Understand the concept of a Bosman, do we ?
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=44487.msg1311908#msg1311908 date=1302216223]
That looks familiar James

regards
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I thought I was in an episode of 'Red Dwarf' just then.
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=44487.msg1311908#msg1311908 date=1302216223]
That looks familiar James

regards
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Ahh so it does... Apologies
 
So what's going on then?
Are we signing this fella or not?
I need to know, it's been nearly a year now since we signed some European also-ran on a free who added nothing to the team, I need my fix of some more uselessness!

I can't be arsed scrolling through five pages, so someone just tell me!
 
[quote author=PaulGorst link=topic=44487.msg1312171#msg1312171 date=1302264567]
So what's going on then?
Are we signing this fella or not?
I need to know, it's been nearly a year now since we signed some European also-ran on a free who added nothing to the team, I need my fix of some more uselessness!

I can't be arsed scrolling through five pages, so someone just tell me!

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Here's a short summary:

French newspapers are reporting that the deal is all but done but the club hasn't confirmed it.
Marveux is keeping his gob shut.

So I'm guessing we're about here:

Not happening Done deal
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Apparently the deal is done. 4 year contract according to French newspaper L'Sport.
 
[quote author=El Pistolero link=topic=44487.msg1323963#msg1323963 date=1304115150]
100%
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Yup, but didn't you mention Downing. What's happening there?
 
[quote author=Modo link=topic=44487.msg1323971#msg1323971 date=1304115605]
[quote author=El Pistolero link=topic=44487.msg1323963#msg1323963 date=1304115150]
100%
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Yup, but didn't you mention Downing. What's happening there?
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Was told he's a player we will be making a move for in the summer and thats it. Whether that changes in the summer I don't know. All I do is post what I'm told 99% of the time its right but there are exceptions.
 
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